Some understanding.............

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I think he was trying, but with all the new injuries he racked up, it slowed him down even more. Like I had been saying in my news columns, he should take a few weeks off to fully heal, drop some weight, and come back 100%.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

*shrugs*

 

Look at Benoit... the guy comes back, and looks like he had no ringrust at all. HHH comes back... and performs like shit. It's just a matter of how you look at it.

benoit is 10 times the worker of hhh, you can;t compare apples to oranges. Two different people, two different styles, two different combacks. BTW, have you seen benoit in a nice 25 minute match since he has returned? I haven't

 

--Rob

[Guest Flyboy]

I really don't need to see Benoit in a 25 minute match. My point was Benoit came back when he KNEW he was ready unlike Hunter.

[Guest M Nyland]

we've seen Trips in some 20-25 minute matches and they weren't exactly high quality

 

but that could be his opponents just as much as him

[Guest Flyboy]

I think the Undertaker is becoming a better worker than Hunter... *shrugs*

[Guest AM The Kid]

Thats right, Triple H came back way too soon, he may have looked good but physically in the ring he is lacking. Hell, Benoit was out for over a year, came back and had a great match with Bubba and Spike and now has promo talent. Alas, Benoit spent awhile with the trainers in OVW, but Triple H was just "too good" for that. His injuries have stacked up, I'm sure if he waited a month before coming back he would still be a great wrestler and talker.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

All right, first off I would like to give major props to everyone in this thread so far for keeping it serious and on topic. Now, then, here's my two cents on Triple H:

 

I've probably been watching the least of everyone active in this thread. I knew who the big wrestlers were and saw a match or two growing up in the '80s, but never really got into it until No Way Out 2K1. There were immediately two guys I couldn't stand: The Rock and HHH. I couldn't stand The Rock for "the usual reasons" (which I won't get into here because it's off topic), but for HHH it was all about the sledgehammer. It may sound like a joke but I'm being totally serious - every time he pulled out that sledgehammer to cheat in a match I was livid. As he teamed up with Austin as "The Two Man Power Trip" to help him get over as a heel, I grew more and more angry with him, and was really really mad when HHH and Austin won the tag titles from 'Taker/Kane way back at Backlash 2K1 because in my mind he already cheated his way through every match, he already had the IC belt, what more could he want? Since this was before I became a "smark", this can be chalked up to him simply being able to play a good heel, since I hated his character, not him.

 

Even before I'd become a full-fledged smark, I had liked Benoit not as a character, but as a wrestler (he was the first wrestler that made me pay attention to the actual match he was wrestling in). Thus, when it came time for the "Two Man Power Trip" (who I hated much less after HHH lost the IC belt) to feud with the team of the Canadian Chris', Benoit and Jericho, I was pleased, because both character and wrestler wise, I had stuff to look forward to - a good match and a much-hated character finally getting his. Real life chose to intervene, and HHH tore his quad, and I felt genuinely sorry for the guy, and who wouldn't? He was the top heel in the company (because too many people still cheered for Austin to ever make him a "full fledged heel" in my book), and now he would be gone for months. Worse news came a month later when it was revealed that Benoit would also be gone for months on an injury.

 

Flash forward to Vengeance. HHH was on the poster, and I assumed that meant he was coming back. Since becoming a "full fledged smark" I had read various stories about HHH and the Kliq and this and that backstage talk, which I took with a grain of salt, but other than that I had become pretty indifferent to him, as my public wrestling enemy #1 The Rock came back and infuriated me by burying Booker T and the Alliance, and Ric Flair made his return (I had known him by name ever since I was a child, and had seen some of his AWESOME matches with Ricky Steamboat). Anyway, HHH seemed to be coming back, but who really impressed me at the time was Jericho, as he was the only strong heel I can remember from that period, and I really couldn't care that HHH didn't show up (although I felt bad for the people who bought the PPV hoping he did), as Jericho continued to impress me, as did WWE management by making the guy the first Undisputed Champion (I took it for granted that he was going to job first round to The Rock).

 

Ahhh... it's a beautiful day... na na na na na na! Along comes January 7, and HHH is back, BAYBEE~! He gets a huge pop, which makes sense because the guy came back from a legitimate career-threatening injury, and even if he was a heel character the marks had to respect that, as I did. But surprise, surprise, turns out he's a face now, and in a feud with storyline wife Stephanie McMahon that somehow involved Jericho. It was around this time that, without a sledgehammer and the boo's, I realized how boring HHH's promos were, and his ringwork left much to be desired (but then again, he DID just come back from a career-threatening injury). He won the Royal Rumble, and the feud with Stephanie McMahon intensified (no pun intended), and Jericho just seemed to be around to take the beatings. This was when I began to get into the "held down" stuff, because unlike all the rumors I read before, this was real and happening right in front of me. When HHH began whipping out the sledgehammer again, it occurred to me that the guy just doesn't know how to act like a face, although at the same time it angered me that he was still getting face pops for what was clearly his heel character.

 

As for HHHating, although I dislike the guy, all he needs to do is fully recover from his injury (which I hope will happen soon), and either learn how to act like a face or turn heel again, and I will have no problems with him. Although Jericho's "burial" by HHH is true to a degree (HiaC was a great match, but did HHH REALLY need that extra win?), it is overstated, as Jericho has simply been made to look weak ever since losing the Undisputed Title regardless of who his opponent is. People are free to believe whatever they want, but what has happened amongst the board is people are less likely to discern what is well known from that which is well rumored, and are joining up with HHHaters because it's "a smark thing to do". It also doesn't help that many of the newer, bandwagon HHHaters invade every thread with blanket statements and overdone jokes based on those statements that I'll admit were funny the first time but are painfully not so anymore. Many of the "original" HHHaters, such as bps21, alfdogg, and caboose, have not only provided intelligent arguments and evidence to support them, the majority of them are also fairly respectful of those who believe differently from them. Most of the others, however, are just in it for the quick laughs, not realizing that the laughs aren't there, and that keeping it up just makes anyone who doesn't like HHH, regardless of whether they're a bandwagon HHHater or someone who seriously can't stand the guy, seem instantly less credible in an argument, as it will be assumed they're just "another HHHater".

 

Hope that made sense. As an addendum, and a response to "but Benoit's return didn't mean anything compared to HHH"'s, that is true, but Benoit was just breaking into the top card when he was injured, and by becoming the "internet smark poster boy", he will have no shortage of fans or interest in his matches. His return was in some's eyes anti-climactic (I wish he had won as well, even if he did "get his heat back" post-match), but he hadn't yet cemented himself as a main eventer to "the boys upstairs", whereas HHH had been in that position since at the very least 2000, if not earlier (I don't know for sure because I wasn't watching then). Sure, Benoit's return wasn't hyped for weeks, and there was no Benoit "desire" promo, but for those quick to yell "glass ceiling!", remember that there were still updates and guest hosting spots for Benoit on WWF TV, well outside of the Ross Report, while he was injured. Where are the televised updates or mentions on Rhyno's, Kanyon's, and Mike Awesome's conditions?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Thats right, Triple H came back way too soon, he may have looked good but physically in the ring he is lacking. Hell, Benoit was out for over a year, came back and had a great match with Bubba and Spike and now has promo talent. Alas, Benoit spent awhile with the trainers in OVW, but Triple H was just "too good" for that. His injuries have stacked up, I'm sure if he waited a month before coming back he would still be a great wrestler and talker.

once again, you and a few others are crucifying the guy for working hard to come back. I truly believe he has respect for the business, and worked his ass off because he loves it that much, not because he had to hurry his comeback because people were takeing his spot. His comeback obviously was too early but you can't deny the man the great comeback he did. Also, incase none of you realize this, in wrestling, if you are super over, no matter how the means, you don't need to rush back because you will most likeley be over forever. What I mean by that is he came back for us the fans not for himself, he could have come back anytime and still been over, but he came back early to entertain US. As cheesy as that sounds I belive in integrity in what you do for a living. He is an entertainer, so he must "entertain".

 

--Rob

[Guest M Nyland]

OFF TOPIC: Best. Thread. Ever.

 

ON TOPIC: For someone that has only been really into wrestling for a bit over a year...evenflowDDT just made my day with all that. Most people that have been into wrestling for 5 or 10 years couldn't do that...I know...I've tried...

 

Happy Coherent Post Day to all!

[Guest treble charged]

Here's the deal. To everyone who has the same HHHater logo in their sig: Take it out. Most people (myself included sometimes) overlook what may perhaps be good, insightful posts after seeing the same picture in everyone's sig. I don't hate the HHHaters necessarily. It's just that reading someone post something, just for the sole reason of making yet another lame "HHH holding people down" joke can get mighty tiresome after awhile.

 

As for HHH, I can't hate HHH. I was a mark for him in his DX days, and he was perhaps the most consistantly entertaining part of the WWF in 2000 (along with Commissioner Foley, and the Edge/Christian/Angle alliance). He put on some awesome matches with Foley, Rock, Benoit, and Angle in that time period, and I still have fond memories of that. It would take a lot of shitty matches to make me forget about that.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Many of the "original" HHHaters, such as bps21, alfdogg, and caboose, have not only provided intelligent arguments and evidence to support them, the majority of them are also fairly respectful of those who believe differently from them.

Actually, weren't Yodeler, bps, Anglesault, and Teke the original charter members?

[Guest M Nyland]

::::sorta off topic::::

 

Hi...my name is M...and I haven't made a HHH joke in about a 120 posts or so...I think...

 

 

 

Who would have thought that a thread in the NBH folder would bring us all together in such a conformed way.

 

It's kinda ironic...

 

HHH brought us together....

 

everybody say "awwwwww"

[Guest Flyboy]

Many of the "original" HHHaters, such as bps21, alfdogg, and caboose, have not only provided intelligent arguments and evidence to support them, the majority of them are also fairly respectful of those who believe differently from them.

Actually, weren't Yodeler, bps, Anglesault, and Teke the original charter members?

*nods*

 

I believe so.

[Guest Downhome]

Why do I like HHH? Well for one thing you have to respect anyone who comes back from an injury early, it just takes balls. Sure he is suffering now from it but ask yourself this question COULD YOU DO IT? I am a little out of it today from work, i'll get "into" this forum later, good job DangerousA on a non fighting folder on a really good topic.

 

--Rob

Ok, let's get right to this real quick. Yes, I respect ANYONE who can come back from such an injury. I respect Benoit for coming back, I respected Austin for coming back, I respected 1-2-3 for coming back, I respected Sid for coming back, I respect Holly for coming back, I repect Bret for coming back, I'll respect Lita for coming back, I'll repect Rhyno for coming back, and I do indeed respect HHH for coming back. HOWEVER...

 

...just "coming back" doesn't cut it. If you come back, early, and end up being feces in the ring, then I may respect you, but I sure as hell don't have to like you. He came back, great, great story for him and Pro. Wrestling, but he did it too early and he looks like crap in the ring for the most part.

 

Sure, let's respect the guy for overcoming such an injury, something that would left many a guys in the real world, and Pro. Wrestling, injured for good. It's just, well, his work after words is just sub par, and there is NOT two ways around that. I just pray that this time that he comes back, he's at least CLOSE to how he was back in 2000 and 2001, if he can do that, and be either a heel or a face, NOT a mix of both like this horrid character he has been since Jan...

 

...then, I'll be a HHH supporter once again. Earning my respect from coming back from a horrible injury is one thing, but showing what you can do in the ring and earning THAT respect, well, it's a totally different thing.

[Guest Anglesault]

The reason I HHHate.

 

Like many of you, I loved the HHH of 2000. Not so much 2001, for whatever reason, though. Anyway, HHH gets injured, and we all feel bad, mainly because we were missing some good ring work. We anticipated 1/7/02 because everyone felt that the product would improve.

 

And then it actually came. When Hunter came out, most people were shocked to see that he was like 4 times bigger than the last time we saw him. "Well, at least he can still perform, right?" Soon enough, we learned that HHH, for all intensive purposes, sucked in the ring now. Some attributed it to his massive size, some to his injury, but almost everyone agreed that he would improve, or his push would be toned down. But it wasn't. And it became apparent that the fans didn't buy Face HHH. Right around that time, Bps began his anti-HHH campaign. Now, I'm not exactly a band wagon jumper, but ALL of his theories made sense. In each case, HHH had MEANS (Stephanie) MOTIVE (Jealousy/Spot Protection) and OPPORTUNITY (Top Spot, Stephanie) to hold people down, push himself, what have you. It also became apparent that Hunter was the only one who could have conceivably been involved in every conspiracy. It all fit like a frigging jigsaw puzzle. His Mania win, his HiaC win, and his combined 15 wins over Angle and Jericho since February only confirmed it for me.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Alright, it is my turn to add a response. Basically I don't "hate" Triple H, I just don't think he is that special. I can care-less about his backstage/conspiracy theorys, true, I may not like it, but IMO, it all comes down to the man running the show, Vince to nix that garbage fast and furiously.

 

I have never been a fan of Triple H's ring work, but at the same time, I don't consider him downright awful. He is average I guess, and like most workers, I judge them on a match-to-match basis, ALA, one bad match doesn't mean I am going to shun them for the rest of my life.

 

The only aspect of Triple H I really, really don't care for is the fact that he is a face now. To me he doesn't work at all as a face, but then again what do I know?

[Guest redbaron51]

I don't mind Triple H's matches, and I think he is a good ring worker.

 

Though I hate triple H for being in the nWo and not being a sadastic bastard like he was in 99-00, and also takes up too much time on my TV, which might have the Triple H segment for god I know.

 

And if he does have any sorta booking whatsoever, I hate him for that too. Do I like Angle? Hell no. Do I like Jericho? Yes. Do I like how Triple H is still on TV and still using up 30 minutes of Smackdown just here how damn good/ruthless agression like I give a fuckin rats ass. Not really.

 

Though I'm just a bandwagoner, and if Triple H goes back to being a sadistic bastard, I'll like him again.

[Guest dreamer420]

i can't even believe some of the crap that i am reading here. i mean does hhh actually hurt your little feelings or what? i know you've heard it before but I'd like to get the point across again: if you don't like what's on the channel, change the motherfucker. don't sit and watch and get all pissed off so you can run to the internet and whine with all the other sheep.

 

that way you won't have to hate hhh because you won't have to see him "holding people down" and "killing chris jericho and kurt angle's push"

[Guest The Man in Blak]

QUICK!

 

SCAVENGER HUNT!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Find all the posters on this board who use (abuse?) the HHHaters pic in their sigs!

 

Gotta catch 'em all!

[Guest Flyboy]

I don't have one, but I'm a HHHater... *shrugs*

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

*sharpens his knives, and goes about cutting sig pictures off*

[Guest Anglesault]

I don't have an HHHater pick in my sig. I have a definition.

[Guest redbaron51]

I do change the channel, but once I get back I miss a match and see triple H again...

 

i haven't watched Smackdown since about a month ago, so i'm really lost

[Guest dreamer420]

ohh well. hopefully it takes away your unjustified heat from hhh.

[Guest Anglesault]

You see what you did dreamer? Your whining sent this thread straight to hell.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

QUICK!

 

SCAVENGER HUNT!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Find all the posters on this board who use (abuse?) the HHHaters pic in their sigs!

 

Gotta catch 'em all!

since we went off topic, i'd like to say I laughed my ass of reading this paticular post. That was some funny shit. Oh and dreamer, great post, blunt and to the point, the way it should be.

 

--Rob

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Since it was brought up...lets have the E true hollywood story of the beginning of the HHHaters.

 

As I said...On January 22...I began to HHHate in every possible area I could find.

 

I was shunned and hated for it...but not for long.

 

Anglesault turned against HHH the day after No Way Out.

 

Yodeler obviously held a grudge for a time against HHH too (you'd have to ask him what it was that started it).

 

So...one day Yodeler pms me about starting a posting Clique that was anti-HHH with me, him and AS as members.

 

We all agree over AIM and that was that.

 

Teke joined later that day.

 

Then shit got out of hand...I don't know how many members there are now...but when I see Lesnar Lunatic hating on one unover poor competitor (HHH) while standing in the corner of another (BROCK) there is something wrong.

 

So there it is.

 

The official history of the HHHaters.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Too bad that hating Triple H was sooooooooooo five months ago.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Thats right..because in those five months hes busted out 3 ****+ matches...elavated 6 people and earned his spot in the main event of the last ppv at least 12 times over.

 

Or maybe all of those numbers should be 0 and you should get the F out.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Unwad those panties, bps. I didn't say that it wasn't deserved - I just said that it's old hat and if there's been one constant in 2002, there's been people that hate Triple H.

 

It's been done.

 

We GET IT.

 

Move on to something, like hating Lesnar or something.