Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Season 7

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I like Buffy, but I don't think Angel/Buffy was the greatest love story ever told. It was doomed from the start and they made that obvious. The stuff that happened before Angel's "heel turn" was too rushed and the fact that Buffy was "in love" before Season 1 was even over makes me laugh. She hadn't known him long enough and he was to mysterious for her to be "in love"

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

*bump* to show my post.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I like Buffy, but I don't think Angel/Buffy was the greatest love story ever told. It was doomed from the start and they made that obvious. The stuff that happened before Angel's "heel turn" was too rushed and the fact that Buffy was "in love" before Season 1 was even over makes me laugh. She hadn't known him long enough and he was to mysterious for her to be "in love"

Okay, first of all. I respect Buffy fans. You have your likes and dislikes AND THAT'S FINE. I josh you about the vampires looking "special" but you josh me about Bond and you know what... I'm cool with it.

 

 

But Mole just said the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say EVER. Don't try to make sense of it, don't try to explain it. Just ignore it. Because I'm going to have a stroke if I keep thinking about it.

[Mole 0]

But Mole just said the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say EVER. Don't try to make sense of it, don't try to explain it. Just ignore it. Because I'm going to have a stroke if I keep thinking about it.

 

The stupidest thing I said was the fact that I believe that the Buffy/Angel love story was the best ever?

 

Maybe I don't know ALL of the love stories out there, but from what I have read/seen, I believe it is the best love story ever.

 

Okay, first of all. I respect Buffy fans. You have your likes and dislikes AND THAT'S FINE.

 

So you won't take my likes?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

But Mole just said the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say EVER. Don't try to make sense of it, don't try to explain it. Just ignore it. Because I'm going to have a stroke if I keep thinking about it.

 

The stupidest thing I said was the fact that I believe that the Buffy/Angel love story was the best ever?

 

Maybe I don't know ALL of the love stories out there, but from what I have read/seen, I believe it is the best love story ever.

 

Okay, first of all. I respect Buffy fans. You have your likes and dislikes AND THAT'S FINE.

 

So you won't take my likes?

No I won't because you are hideously uneducated.

 

A simple TV plotlines does not compare to love stories like Romeo and Juliet, Jane Erye, From Here to Eternity. You are easily the stupidest poster I have ever met here or at any other board.

[Ravenbomb 0]

oh, come on, what about Prime Guy or the guy who updated us on having sex? Calling someone the stupidest poster ever should be based on more than just a simple difference of opinion.

[the pinjockey 0]

I do think it is a little unfair to claim that a TV plotline can't match up to classic literary love stories. TV is a new medium and it is not right to disregard anything that happens in said medium, just because it isn't a classic book is a little close minded.

 

Buffy/Angel was the best love story I have ever seen on TV, but I'll stop there.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

On TV. Yeah I might go with that, but that's only because of my limited knowledge of TV love stories.

[the pinjockey 0]

Yeah, I don't watch many TV shows that would incorporate love stories, so a very good one is going to be the best to me. I am sure there have been better, I just haven't seen any.

[Mole 0]

But Mole just said the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say EVER. Don't try to make sense of it, don't try to explain it. Just ignore it. Because I'm going to have a stroke if I keep thinking about it.

 

The stupidest thing I said was the fact that I believe that the Buffy/Angel love story was the best ever?

 

Maybe I don't know ALL of the love stories out there, but from what I have read/seen, I believe it is the best love story ever.

 

Okay, first of all. I respect Buffy fans. You have your likes and dislikes AND THAT'S FINE.

 

So you won't take my likes?

No I won't because you are hideously uneducated.

 

A simple TV plotlines does not compare to love stories like Romeo and Juliet, Jane Erye, From Here to Eternity. You are easily the stupidest poster I have ever met here or at any other board.

Why doesn't a TV plotline compare to classic stories?

 

They are both stories, it doesn't matter when they are written or how they were. Do you even know the story of Buffy/Angel? Or are you just calling me an idiot because you feel like it?

 

I don't know if Buffy/Angel was the best love story ever. However, from what I have read/seen, I believe it is the best love story. So in my opinion, it is the best love story ever. Ya catch that?

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

The Buffy/Angel love story is better than anything I can think of...and I've read Shakespeare!

 

Superman and Lois Lane? C'mon. Bring it stronger than that.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I like the Buffy/Angel storyline, but when the big moments weren't happening it seemed to get pushed to the back burner or just got repetitive. Even then it only really got good when Angel turned bad and Buffy had to kill him. Otherwise it wasn't much more than you'd find on Dawson's Creek or some show like that, except it involved a vampire.

 

A Vampire with a soul falling in love with the Slayer is a nice story, but I just didn't feel they used it to it's full potential outside of the Angel heel turn. Everything besides when Angel was evil fell kinda flat in my opinion.

 

I still got into the end half of Season 2, but I'm sure I would have liked it even more if I was into their relationship when it happened, but by that point I was annoyed by it sometimes.

Edited September 4, 2003 by LaParkaYourCar

[Ripper 0]

Romeo and Juliet knew each other for days and they were madly in love. So the length of time between them meeting and being in love in irrelevant.

 

While I disagree with it, a case could be made for it being the best love story ever therefore his opinion isn't moronic in the slightest.

[Cavi 0]

Off the current topic, but I just beat the Buffy game. Yay for that.

 

And on another topic, weaksauce that they removed the "Previously On..." bits from the Angel Season Two set. They were in the Region 2 one, so why make the effort to remove them? Just ugh. Really bugs me that they aren't included in the Buffy ones either.

[Mole 0]

My dad got me the Buffy game for my birthday(yes, it is today, the 4th, but it isn't showing up on the birthday thing here). However, he got me the first one for XBox, and I don't even have XBox. I was like Dad, I have GameCube. He was like you said X; X-X-Box.

 

So I have to go to WalMart and trade it up.

[Mole 0]

Oh yeah on another note, I finished Angel season 2 in 3 days. I always seem to do this stuff, finish a series a few days after I get it.

 

Anyway, the season was pretty good and still didn't really have a Big Bad like I was hoping it did. Lindsey(or is it Lindsay?) was a great character, and it sucks that he left. The ending was pretty good too with the whole Willow thing, but I wish they showed more of Angel mourning over it.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Romeo and Juliet knew each other for days and they were madly in love. So the length of time between them meeting and being in love in irrelevant.

 

While I disagree with it, a case could be made for it being the best love story ever therefore his opinion isn't moronic in the slightest.

Yeah a case could be made. A case could also be made that Foley/Taker HIAC is the greatest match of all time. It's horribly ignorant, but I guess you can argue it.

[Mole 0]

Romeo and Juliet knew each other for days and they were madly in love.  So the length of time between them meeting and being in love in irrelevant. 

 

While I disagree with it, a case could be made for it being the best love story ever therefore his opinion isn't moronic in the slightest.

Yeah a case could be made. A case could also be made that Foley/Taker HIAC is the greatest match of all time. It's horribly ignorant, but I guess you can argue it.

I'll ask again, do you know the Buffy/Angel love story?

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

It's obvious he doesn't have a clue what you're talking about mole.

 

He just assumes it's bad because Buffy must have just been a simple show.

 

Anyone who assumes that AND throws out the word ignorant is truly a joke.

[Ripper 0]

As a matter of fact, where is there one great love story that Shakesphere wrote since you mentioned him.

 

And to be honest with you guys...I...found the Xander Anya love story to be one of the greatest over the Buffy Angel..and..and then I found the Buffy/SPike love to be better.

 

*ducks*

[Guest SP-1]

Rest In Peace makes Buffy/Spike better to me. I love the musical episode.

[Ripper 0]

The last line those two shared...

 

 

Buffy: I love you

 

Spike: No...You don't. But thanks for saying it.

 

That makes RIpper tear up. And in the last few eps of last season..his validation of his love not being about her being unattainable, his speech at the door after Buffy had gotten the Schythe...the gourgous "Spark" speech in "Beneath You"...his speech when she was going up the stairs in the gift, his speech about dreaming about saving her every night.

 

I'm sorry, but Buffy/Spike beats Angel/Buffy in my eyes.

 

Don't even get me started on Xander/Anya.

[Cavi 0]

the gourgous "Spark" speech in "Beneath You"

That was incredible (not like that other stuff wasn't, since all of that was pure awesomeness).

 

Joss actually did the rewrite for that scene.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that got into Spike/Buffy more. Maybe it's because it had a longer build up or maybe it's because everything that happened in it had a purpose. Angel/Buffy had a lot of filler.

 

You may hate the Season 6 Spike/Buffy stuff, but you can't deny that it was the perfect picture of Buffy's life at that point. It was good storytelling sometimes without saying a word.

 

The infamous "alley scene" basically sums Buffy's life up at that point. Dark, disgusting, and just trying to reach out and grab the one thing that can make you escape.

 

It was all about coping and how we treat ourselves and others when we're in pain.

[Ripper 0]

Yeah. I think it was the 3 season build that gave Buffy Spike that much more umph.

 

Especially when you watch season 2 and 4 and look at where Spike came from. It is amazing character development really.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I would never say that Spike/Buffy was the greatest love story though, because I felt it was more of a portrait of the most self destructive relationship you could think of.

 

It made what happened when Spike got his soul even better, because then it was the ultimate sign of wanting to make things better.

 

We can debate on whether Spike really wanted his soul back or not, but I think the demon who did it was supposed to be looking into Spike's "heart" and seeing what he "really" wanted.

[the pinjockey 0]

I would put Buffy/Angel ahead of Buffy/Spike just because there was more love feeling in their storyline. The scene where they are walking in the snow during the day is one of the most beautiful scenes I have ever seen. A don't get into the Spike/Buffy as much I think, because I just started really watching in January. I have caught up through DVDs and FX and it is a little different with Spike seeing his character evolution in the span of 5 months as opposed to 5 years. You don't really get the full effect of it.

 

And how far is it before you get to trolling/flaming when your only response is that you are stupid/ignorant and thats it?

[Ripper 0]

I would never say that Spike/Buffy was the greatest love story though, because I felt it was more of a portrait of the most self destructive relationship you could think of.

 

It made what happened when Spike got his soul even better, because then it was the ultimate sign of wanting to make things better.

 

We can debate on whether Spike really wanted his soul back or not, but I think the demon who did it was supposed to be looking into Spike's "heart" and seeing what he "really" wanted.

Well, in Spikes little psycho speech he said

 

 

Spike: I went to find it of course

 

Buffy: Find what?

 

Spike: To find IT...the thing that would make me fit...the spark.

 

 

He went looking for the soul.

 

But the thing that makes it such a incredible love story to me is that Spike fell in love with her DESPITE not having a soul. He was willing to do good, just for her. He was willing to die, for her.

 

Her initial rejection (and she did have her reasons) made the relationship more impossible than the Angel one. Her emptiness in season 6 that lead her to him...while it was dark, it was almost destiny. Spike took advantage of her feelings of being outside of humanity to try and make her his own. While this was selfish and somewhat evil, it was a evil formed of love. Then when he got the soul...oh yeah...the truth came a running all through season 7.

 

But like I said, I would call Anya/Xander one of the greatest love stories that I have ever seen or read.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Why must "the greatest love story" be so tragic? Most of what people are listing are tragic stories. Where's one where things actually end happy?

[the pinjockey 0]

If two people love each other, there can be no happy end to it.

 

-Ernest Hemingway

 

For me, a happily ever after ending, is just too neat and tidy. A happily ever after ending can be good/great, but it will lack the ending that make most people remember things as classic.