Seperation of Church and State

[Guest Choken One]

I always miss the fun shit...Damn.

[Guest DrTom]

If they are evil let them be evil, just not here in the united States of America

 

"The only condition necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

[Guest NoCalMike]

ok if anyone cares to read my response 7 pages into the thread, here goes.....

 

As far as seperation of church & state: if someone needs GOD to tell them not to cheat, lie, steal, murder etc...then they are probably already a lost cause. These feelings should come pretty natural, unless programmed otherwise since birth.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Right, Germany's war machine which was advancing at an alarming rate should've just been left alone, brilliant.

 

Also, regarding the holocaust, everyone needs to read Elie Wiesel's Night. To deny that atrocity after reading that book, written by someone who was actually THERE, is to forever brand yourself a worthless, heartless, hatemonger that deserves to die.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Guys, Guys, this would be so much easier if you just learned how to talk to Robby. He lives under different guidelines than most posters, so you really need to think his way in order to argue with him. Here, in essence, are the Robjohnstone 10 commandments.

 

RobJohnStones 10 Commandments

 

1) Thou Shalt Not Trust the Media. The media is Liberal. In anything that has a possible Liberal Agenda, It Shall Be Assumed that it is Propaganda, To Lead men astray from the true, Correct Path.

 

2) Thou Shalt Not Trust any sources before mine own.

 

3) The Bible is the Literal Truth. All who Question the Bible are Hellspawn, sent to lead you astray.

 

4) Honor Buchanan, And All that HE Represents.

 

5) Thou Shalt Reject Abortion. Thy Children shall be born living. Living babies are needed to Create dead soldiers.

 

6) Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness. If Thy Puny Head is Confused, if It is Liberal, It is False.

 

7) ROBJOHNSTONE is above ALL questioning. Any fact stated by ROBJOHNSTONE is to be accepted without proof or questioning. If proof is desired, and ROBJOHNSTONE is feeling benevolent, he shall lead thee to the True Path of Conservative Websites or, above all else, a Buchanan book.

 

8) Evolution is a Liberal Myth. As it is Liberal, it must be False. The Religion of Evolution will Lead You Astray. Never let the Devils (scientists) convince you that there may be a chance.

 

9) Never Directly Answer Any Charge. Any who question ROBJOHNSTONE are beyond censure.

 

10) Yea, though thou mayst think thou hath intelligence and wisdom, thou art puny when compared to the great omniscience that is…ROBJOHNSTONE.

 

Learn and live by this Mantra, and everything'll go a lot smoother.

I left when the board crashed. I refuse to respond to everything after this jackass statement. It ruined the thread. Anyway Dr. Tom you could be right, but how many americans are you willing to sacrifice towards the demolishing of evil, an evil which has nothing to do with our union? We constantly get into wars we should never be apart of, example ww1 (We arned people not to get on the fucking boat), korea(explain why we were there?), vietnam (Another war for no reason), Gulf war (Blah!). See where I am going with this?

 

--Rob

[Guest RobJohnstone]

AOO, for info on the holocaust, check here http://www.codoh.com/salecole.html or the main site http://www.codoh.com/salecole.html

 

Any how, I always look at both sides of the coin before making a decision. I looked left and then right and found out I am conservative. I like to look at what other people think about history to see if there is any ground, and in this case there is. BTW my posts were in no way meant to anger people of jewish faith. I like jewish people very much. Jesus was jewish

 

--Rob

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Well, after fighting back the urge to vomit after reading that, I figure I can offer up a rebuttal with this:

 

From their mission statement:

 

THE AIM OF THIS SITE is to promote intellectual freedom with regard to this one historical event, which in turn will promote intellectual freedom toward all historical events (thus all other issues). We have chosen to concentrate on the gas chamber stories and war crimes trials because they are emblematic of the allegedly unique monstrosity of the Germans before and during World War II. We believe it profoundly vulgar, and emasculating, to spend half a century condemning others for their violence and brutality when we have not yet learned to condemn our own, or even recognize it. We want to help civilize Americans. We're not Germans and we're not Jews (well, some of us are) and we are not focused on how naughty they were or were not. We're focused on American culture, on the American ideal that liberty has the power to wash a people clean and that there is no liberty without intellectual freedom.

 

That's not taken out of context either, that's from their main page, and is a direct quote.

 

American "culture" or what have you has NO bearing on historical fact. Basically, in that statement which I highlighted, they're saying "We don't know, and we don't care about who killed who back then, we're just trying to rationalize it, forgive and forget."

 

To do that, and totally disregard what happened, is not only ignorant, it's evil, disgusting, and completely demeaning to the victims. To think people actually agree with that garbage is sickening and sad.

 

By the way, other than one person ripping you, there was a whole lot of pertinent points made which you're now refusing to address. Typical.

[Guest NoCalMike]

So I assume you feel we should have no part of this new war with Iraq? Don't you see these same conservative war mongers you support, conflict with your beliefs, however due to something like Abortion, you will always vote for the extreme right?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Holocaust photo site.

 

Look at a few of those and tell me many of the atrocities were fabricated.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Anyway Dr. Tom you could be right, but how many americans are you willing to sacrifice towards the demolishing of evil, an evil which has nothing to do with our union?  We constantly get into wars we should never be apart of, example ww1 (We arned people not to get on the fucking boat), korea(explain why we were there?), vietnam (Another war for no reason), Gulf war (Blah!).  See where I am going with this?

 

--Rob

WW1 was not over a fucking boat, you tool.

 

Korea and Vietnam were both incredibly unpopular wars to topple communism, and I don't believe you'll find 10 supporters of either of them. Big fucking deal.

 

The Gulf War involved our oil interests being threatened, not to mention another country being invaded. We can justify going to war (unless you're a fucking moron), but what happened after Iraq was 'defeated' is deplorable... as was the handling of the situation up to this day.

 

If we hadn't gotten involved in Somalia, millions of MORE people would have died. Sure, we had the Black Hawk Down fiasco... but we still needed to be in Somalia.

 

Bosnia and Kosovo prevented the destruction of full races of people. Gee, that doesn't sound too bad to me... especially with minimal casualties. Not to mention, they were UN missions to begin with... not US missions.

 

No, Rob, I don't think anyone knows where you're going with this.

 

 

EDIT - I'm tired.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

So I assume you feel we should have no part of this new war with Iraq? Don't you see these same conservative war mongers you support, conflict with your beliefs, however due to something like Abortion, you will always vote for the extreme right?

No mike, we have to go to iraw now because they singed a treaty to disarm when they lost the last war. Now we have to go enforce the treaty but as tyler says here

 

The Gulf War involved our oil interests being threatened, not to mention another country being invaded. We can justify going to war (unless you're a fucking moron), but what happened after Iraq was 'defeated' is deplorable... as was the handling of the situation up to this day.

 

So we should go to war for oil? Good job, let's just become an empire. I am pretty sure we sell half the oil we get in alaska to japan, if our oil interest in the middle east ever goes to shit, why not just not sell oil to japan and let them buy it from the middle east? Also I could care less about kuwait being defeated, that is their own problems, let them deal with it. To go to war for something we have available to us here is very bad.

 

Also Tyler yes Americans got involved when the Lusitania was sunk, so we got involved because of a fucking boat.

 

 

--Rob

[Guest NoCalMike]

well for one it would be nice if America got off the liquid CRACK we call oil. Or at least if a good portion of it could stop being used. But your oil-buddy Bush will have none of that.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

My oil buddy? Far from it. I support buchanan not the republican party that stands today. I am an independant conservative.

 

--Rob

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

So, just to clarify.. Saddam Hussein is a bigger and more direct threat to the USA than Adolf Hitler

 

Why is that? because Saddam from Iraw breaks his agreements.

 

I'm sure that Hitler never broke any treaties while he went to war

 

"I like jewish people very much. Jesus was jewish"

 

but after Jesus, it just gets hard for Robbie Johnstone to name a Jewish person that he liked. Heck, allowing for them to be murdered because Hitler posed no threat is just tough love, eh?

 

"Anyway Dr. Tom you could be right, but how many americans are you willing to sacrifice towards the demolishing of evil, an evil which has nothing to do with our union?"

 

So, just because people could die means that we shouldn't bother to stop evil?

 

Hitler had Quisling, Petain and others who ran his puppet states, he also could have kept France if he had a 'useful idiot' like RobJohnstone running America. Heck, Hitler and Johnstone could have lived in harmony, since Johnstone doesn't mind that whole "kill everybody who's Jewish" idea.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Blah Blah Blah, stop trying to insult me and start trying to refute me.

 

--Rob

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

You haven't addressed a single issue anyone's brought up in the past three or four pages. Especially regarding the holocaust topic.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

AOO, it would take me quite some time to refute and make people understand why my opinion on the holocaust is the way it is. I will get to it eventually but not right now.

 

--Rob

[Guest hardyz1]

Where's fk teale when you need him?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Fucking WOW man...That was some quality flamin'. I probably agree with about two things Teale said in there as far as actual objective opinions go, but godDAMN...I think I'll use a snippet in my sig, if only for a few days at least.

 

He even used longhair..That's one of my favorite insults of all time, even if I completely resemble the remark.

 

Eh, enough of the verbal blowjob.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

AOO, it would take me quite some time to refute and make people understand why my opinion on the holocaust is the way it is. I will get to it eventually but not right now.

 

--Rob

Translation: He has to go ask his parents what that passage in Buchanan's book means.

 

But trust me, someone will tell him eventually, and he'll manage to type it out completely wrong!

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Holocaust denial. one of the most pathetic, hateful downright scummy opinions to be propagated by idiot morons. A British historian named Irvine tried it. When someone called him on it, he sued them. He lost. Holocaust denial was essentially made a legally unsound position. You are a worthless shit Johnstone. A shit of the highest order. And all your sad little extremist web-sites don't change that.

 

And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs. If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown. Have fucking common sense.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs. If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown. Have fucking common sense.

I almost made that last point, but I doubt Rob understands economics anyways.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

AOO, it would take me quite some time to refute and make people understand why my opinion on the holocaust is the way it is.  I will get to it eventually but not right now.

 

--Rob

Translation: He has to go ask his parents what that passage in Buchanan's book means.

 

But trust me, someone will tell him eventually, and he'll manage to type it out completely wrong!

Once again insulting me and not knowing what you are talking about. BTW my parents do not like buchanan and are catholic. So there!

 

--Rob

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Holocaust denial. one of the most pathetic, hateful downright scummy opinions to be propagated by idiot morons. A British historian named Irvine tried it. When someone called him on it, he sued them. He lost. Holocaust denial was essentially made a legally unsound position. You are a worthless shit Johnstone. A shit of the highest order. And all your sad little extremist web-sites don't change that.

 

And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs. If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown. Have fucking common sense.

"And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs. If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown. Have fucking common sense."

 

Acually that would not be the problem. We are consumers in a consumer nation. What markets do we produce more than we consume?

 

--Rob

[Guest RobJohnstone]

And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs.  If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown.  Have fucking common sense.

I almost made that last point, but I doubt Rob understands economics anyways.

Wow two jabs at me while adding nothing to the thread. Proves how much your opinions are worth when you resort to name calling.

 

--Rob

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Holocaust denial.  one of the most pathetic, hateful downright scummy opinions to be propagated by idiot morons.  A British historian named Irvine tried it.  When someone called him on it, he sued them.  He lost.  Holocaust denial was essentially made a legally unsound position.  You are a worthless shit Johnstone.  A shit of the highest order.  And all your sad little extremist web-sites don't change that.

 

And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs.  If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown.  Have fucking common sense.

"And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs. If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown. Have fucking common sense."

 

Acually that would not be the problem. We are consumers in a consumer nation. What markets do we produce more than we consume?

 

--Rob

Great economy we have now, eh?

 

It's widely believed (yes, by everyone with a fucking brain) that we're currently overproducing nearly everything... including common retail items such as clothing, internet products and software, computers themselves, cars... the list goes on. Therefore, many companies are going out of business due to the fact that their products are not being bought... and they're not needed.

 

Wanna know why they're not being bought?

 

Because the 'common, working class consumer' can't afford to buy products. The lower rung of income is more concerned, right now, with making ends meat than bying a new fucking computer. It's a beautiful sick-cycle carousel: the companies go bankrupt, which causes people to be laid off... which causes people to buy less, which leads to more companies going bankrupt.

 

If you are suggesting that we can truly be isolationist anymore, you're completely stupid and this argument has no point anyways. We rely on other countries to buy our goods; too bad we can't sell them off at fast enough a rate as it is.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

AOO, it would take me quite some time to refute and make people understand why my opinion on the holocaust is the way it is.  I will get to it eventually but not right now.

 

--Rob

Translation: He has to go ask his parents what that passage in Buchanan's book means.

 

But trust me, someone will tell him eventually, and he'll manage to type it out completely wrong!

Once again insulting me and not knowing what you are talking about. BTW my parents do not like buchanan and are catholic. So there!

 

--Rob

Oh, I've gotten six pages of a useless thread to tell me that you have no opinion of your own. You rely on Buchanan and straight conservative propaganda to "support" your shit arguments. Wanna talk about adding nothing to the thread? You've completely ignored every valid point tossed at you. You attack the other side of the spectrum, and then when they back up their claims, you pull a bullshit "NAH NEE NAH NEE BOO BOO! I'M NOT LISTENING!" response, instead focusing on someone ELSE who decides to post an inflammitory jab at you. When you lose one point, you go to another. When you lose that, you go to another. When you lose all your topics, you hide behind Buchanan's obviously WRONG and utterly insulting works. Insulting, you ask? Insulting to everyone with a fucking brain; insulting to those at whom his blatant anti-Semitism and Christian fundamentalist comments are aimed. By taking the side of one Pat Buchanan, you've made yourself out to be no better than Randy Racist or Pete, your local Klansman. You're a fucking disgrace to everyone on this board because frankly... we'd even give you some creedance if you'd concede an obviously lost argument or back up your asinine statements with fact.

 

Do you remember what this topic was about? I do. It was about the seperation of church and state. You were completely wrong about that topic, so you focus on another spectrum. Somehow, through all this bullshit, we ended up on the Holocaust, which had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact. You, my friend, have been a detriment to the thread YOU created, and you're an embarassment to this entire board.

 

Thanks.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Holocaust denial.  one of the most pathetic, hateful downright scummy opinions to be propagated by idiot morons.  A British historian named Irvine tried it.  When someone called him on it, he sued them.  He lost.  Holocaust denial was essentially made a legally unsound position.  You are a worthless shit Johnstone.  A shit of the highest order.  And all your sad little extremist web-sites don't change that.

 

And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs.  If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown.  Have fucking common sense.

"And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs. If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown. Have fucking common sense."

 

Acually that would not be the problem. We are consumers in a consumer nation. What markets do we produce more than we consume?

 

--Rob

Great economy we have now, eh?

 

It's widely believed (yes, by everyone with a fucking brain) that we're currently overproducing nearly everything... including common retail items such as clothing, internet products and software, computers themselves, cars... the list goes on. Therefore, many companies are going out of business due to the fact that their products are not being bought... and they're not needed.

 

Wanna know why they're not being bought?

 

Because the 'common, working class consumer' can't afford to buy products. The lower rung of income is more concerned, right now, with making ends meat than bying a new fucking computer. It's a beautiful sick-cycle carousel: the companies go bankrupt, which causes people to be laid off... which causes people to buy less, which leads to more companies going bankrupt.

 

If you are suggesting that we can truly be isolationist anymore, you're completely stupid and this argument has no point anyways. We rely on other countries to buy our goods; too bad we can't sell them off at fast enough a rate as it is.

We do overproduce some but not all the industries you stated. Anyhow I am not an isolationist, I am a nationalist. I am against free trade. Every country NEEDS our goods. They will continue to buy them no matter what.

 

I also like the fact that you used 'common, working class consumer' condensending me thinking I was rich or something, no honey, I am in the lower middle class struggling to put money together to go to college. I should be the perfect example of a liberal but I know that socialism goes no where. If you deny liberalism is not close to socialism then you are an idiot. If more americans didn't buy brand name sneakers and brand name foods, they would have more money to use on other things so don't give me your pity. The reasons why companies are shutting down is because of NAFTA. COmpanies are either moving to mexico where there are no labor laws, lower staff wages and no health codes or hiring illegal immigrants. That is why other companies are going out of business. It is because of the shiesty corperations abusing NAFTA that puts the small to medium sized company out of business. Get you fucking facts straight before you go spouting off ignorant bullshit.

 

--Rob

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Holocaust denial.  one of the most pathetic, hateful downright scummy opinions to be propagated by idiot morons.  A British historian named Irvine tried it.  When someone called him on it, he sued them.  He lost.  Holocaust denial was essentially made a legally unsound position.  You are a worthless shit Johnstone.  A shit of the highest order.  And all your sad little extremist web-sites don't change that.

 

And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs.  If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown.  Have fucking common sense.

"And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs. If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown. Have fucking common sense."

 

Acually that would not be the problem. We are consumers in a consumer nation. What markets do we produce more than we consume?

 

--Rob

Great economy we have now, eh?

 

It's widely believed (yes, by everyone with a fucking brain) that we're currently overproducing nearly everything... including common retail items such as clothing, internet products and software, computers themselves, cars... the list goes on. Therefore, many companies are going out of business due to the fact that their products are not being bought... and they're not needed.

 

Wanna know why they're not being bought?

 

Because the 'common, working class consumer' can't afford to buy products. The lower rung of income is more concerned, right now, with making ends meat than bying a new fucking computer. It's a beautiful sick-cycle carousel: the companies go bankrupt, which causes people to be laid off... which causes people to buy less, which leads to more companies going bankrupt.

 

If you are suggesting that we can truly be isolationist anymore, you're completely stupid and this argument has no point anyways. We rely on other countries to buy our goods; too bad we can't sell them off at fast enough a rate as it is.

We do overproduce some but not all the industries you stated. Anyhow I am not an isolationist, I am a nationalist. I am against free trade. Every country NEEDS our goods. They will continue to buy them no matter what.

 

I also like the fact that you used 'common, working class consumer' condensending me thinking I was rich or something, no honey, I am in the lower middle class struggling to put money together to go to college. I should be the perfect example of a liberal but I know that socialism goes no where. If you deny liberalism is not close to socialism then you are an idiot. If more americans didn't buy brand name sneakers and brand name foods, they would have more money to use on other things so don't give me your pity. The reasons why companies are shutting down is because of NAFTA. COmpanies are either moving to mexico where there are no labor laws, lower staff wages and no health codes or hiring illegal immigrants. That is why other companies are going out of business. It is because of the shiesty corperations abusing NAFTA that puts the small to medium sized company out of business. Get you fucking facts straight before you go spouting off ignorant bullshit.

 

--Rob

Back up what you just said with something other than Buchanan.

 

This is getting old. Stop throwing around wild assertions.

 

Also: define socialism and back up your statement on how it has gone nowhere.

 

Thank you.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

AOO, it would take me quite some time to refute and make people understand why my opinion on the holocaust is the way it is.  I will get to it eventually but not right now.

 

--Rob

Translation: He has to go ask his parents what that passage in Buchanan's book means.

 

But trust me, someone will tell him eventually, and he'll manage to type it out completely wrong!

Once again insulting me and not knowing what you are talking about. BTW my parents do not like buchanan and are catholic. So there!

 

--Rob

Oh, I've gotten six pages of a useless thread to tell me that you have no opinion of your own. You rely on Buchanan and straight conservative propaganda to "support" your shit arguments. Wanna talk about adding nothing to the thread? You've completely ignored every valid point tossed at you. You attack the other side of the spectrum, and then when they back up their claims, you pull a bullshit "NAH NEE NAH NEE BOO BOO! I'M NOT LISTENING!" response, instead focusing on someone ELSE who decides to post an inflammitory jab at you. When you lose one point, you go to another. When you lose that, you go to another. When you lose all your topics, you hide behind Buchanan's obviously WRONG and utterly insulting works. Insulting, you ask? Insulting to everyone with a fucking brain; insulting to those at whom his blatant anti-Semitism and Christian fundamentalist comments are aimed. By taking the side of one Pat Buchanan, you've made yourself out to be no better than Randy Racist or Pete, your local Klansman. You're a fucking disgrace to everyone on this board because frankly... we'd even give you some creedance if you'd concede an obviously lost argument or back up your asinine statements with fact.

 

Do you remember what this topic was about? I do. It was about the seperation of church and state. You were completely wrong about that topic, so you focus on another spectrum. Somehow, through all this bullshit, we ended up on the Holocaust, which had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact. You, my friend, have been a detriment to the thread YOU created, and you're an embarassment to this entire board.

 

Thanks.

My ideas are conservative and self taught I might add. You wanna keep insulting me, probably because I don't like gays, if not then no reason at all. If it about the gay issue, you keep shitting on me because of your bias and I do not shit on you at all. Who is the adult here?

 

"When you lose one point, you go to another. When you lose that, you go to another. When you lose all your topics, you hide behind Buchanan's obviously WRONG and utterly insulting works."

 

Like I was telling flyboy, bob barron and treble charged in a chat, I stated this thread became sort of a crossfire type thread meaning that the topic kept switching. Please do not blame me for the topics keep switching, we all had equal parts in doing so.

 

"Insulting, you ask? Insulting to everyone with a fucking brain; insulting to those at whom his blatant anti-Semitism and Christian fundamentalist comments are aimed. By taking the side of one Pat Buchanan, you've made yourself out to be no better than Randy Racist or Pete, your local Klansman. You're a fucking disgrace to everyone on this board because frankly... we'd even give you some creedance if you'd concede an obviously lost argument or back up your asinine statements with fact."

 

Here is an example you you sharing your opinions as facts, I do that also from time to time but you have done it in almost every post. Who is the hypocrate?

Do you remember what this topic was about? I do. It was about the seperation of church and state. You were completely wrong about that topic, so you focus on another spectrum. Somehow, through all this bullshit, we ended up on the Holocaust, which had absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact. You, my friend, have been a detriment to the thread YOU created, and you're an embarassment to this entire board."

 

You close up by again stateing I alone changed the topics, which we all had equal part in and then you spout off your opinions of me as facts again. You are very strange and hypocritical.

 

--Rob

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