Bush: The American Leader

[Guest Choken One]

Can I just say that Hybrid cars are for Pussy yuppies...Real Men drive Trucks.

[Guest JMA]

An article from the Libertarian homepage.

 

http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?functi...view&record=627

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

I'm too tired to get into this in full, but...

 

Upper class people recieved a larger monetary tax cut because THEY PAY MORE TAXES!!!!!  Why can't you people wrap your heads around that concept and cut this "tax cuts for the rich" bullshit out when it is clearly untrue.

 

Bull fucking shit.

 

The richest members of our society pay NO taxes. If anything, they're just going to get a larger refund because of this tax plan! They are rich enough to find themselves a rich accountant and write off everything under the sun; in effect, they truly pay nothing. Then, guess who gets audited?

 

The poor.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Well, actually, this is too good on which to not jump in.

 

No that reeks of a political statement. President Bush does not approve of Abortion and wishes that it were not legal, which is a perfectly acceptable standpoint, not one I agree with but whatever. I'm sure that no otehr President has tried to use his power to implement his agenda, certainly not every single fucking one of them, but they must also be stupid, right? Or is it just Pro-Lifers who are stupid?

 

So, are you stating that because other presidents have done it... it makes it right? Forcing your ideology on every American citizen by making a NATIONAL HOLIDAY is deplorable, and you know it.

 

I assume you mean "boozer." So enjoying to drink makes you stupid? Or is it regonizing that you have a problem and then overcoming it by yourself that makes him stupid.

 

There's a difference between "enjoying to drink" and being an alcoholic.

 

Actually, both of them are pretty idiotic, but I digress.

 

The speaking has nothing to do with inteligence and the made up words are a part of his poor public speaking ability. Although he does himself no favors with them.

 

I think you're completely and utterly wrong here.

 

I sincerely doubt a poor-speaking Rhodes Scholar would make up words. Imagine Shakespeare saying "strategery".

 

Bush executed over 100 people? Is that so? revisionist history and ignorance are bliss. Over 100 people were tried and convicted of 1st degree murder inTexas while he was Governor and sentenced to death by a jury of their own peers. Bush did not pardon anyone, but that couldn't be because they were guilty, could it? Or is this more "he doesn't agree with me so he's stupid bullshit"?

 

Funny, no other state had even close to the amount of executions as did Texas under DUBYA Bush. Could it be that "them rednecks in Texas" just shoot each other more? Perhaps, but looking at Bush's extreme war-driven mentality (and, as a derivative, his low value of human life), that would make this correlation rather staggering, wouldn't you say?

 

In what way? Because he isn't in favor of the racist policy called affirmative action? Or because he's against gay marriages? Which is a political and religious belief of his and perfectly valid one at that. He disagrees with you so he must be stupid.

 

I agree with your point on Affirmative Action, but I vehemently and categorically disagree with the point on gay marriages. It has absolutely nothing to do with a valid political stand, it has to do with his personal morality. In effect, then, he's just being anti-gay. The debate about whether or not that's a good stance is not for this topic, but that is to what it boils down.

 

 

 

I'll keep replying as I go along.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

I don't know hardly anything about the Hydrogen cars besides my assumption that they are suseptible to explosion

 

They're not. It was recently proven that the Hindenberg blew up not because of the hydrogen fuel, but because of the flammable inner lining.

 

Where am I going with this? Basically, with a leader who is still very loyal to the oil companies that made his father and himself (as well as his VP) the people they are, it is much less likely that he will put the money into the R&D to make alternative energy sources viable. However, America doesn't have THAT much Oil, even in Alaska. However, we can make a lot of Hydrogen gas out of Natural Fuels, as well as creating it from water. The water thing takes some power, and that would either mean SOME use of non-renewable sources such as fossil or nuclear fuels, but on the other hand, with more research, Wind farms or Solar plants COULD provide a sizable percentage of that power.

 

Well, well said.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

That's been killed before it even happened. Just heard it on the radio today.

 

Which part, Poindexter's involvement or TIA?

 

God, I hope it's both...

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

As far as my opinion on the hydrogen cars go, I think it's not only smart... it's necessary. Our fuel is going to be gone sooner than later; it also pollutes the living fuck out of our environment.

 

I've already stated my opinions on Bush. Some Guy, if you want to fight me on them, I'd be more than willing to back them up.

[Guest imajackoff?]

My next car will be a Honda Civic Hybrid.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Whoa, badass... I want one of those.

[Guest Brian]

Hydrogen cars are good in theory, but the enrgy cost is too high currently and the technology is still at least ten years away. It's a necessary and good move but it's also one that doesn't do anything for the short-term and present conditions.

 

I'm getting a civic hybrid too.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

That's been killed before it even happened. Just heard it on the radio today.

 

Which part, Poindexter's involvement or TIA?

 

God, I hope it's both...

Both.

 

I'm shocked someone's using one of the my quotes.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

Then, guess who gets audited?

 

The poor.

Please explain how the poor pay more taxes...no...how they pay ANY taxes. See, poor people don't receive tax cuts because they don't PAY taxes.

 

I sincerely doubt a poor-speaking Rhodes Scholar would make up words.

But, so long as you are a well-speaking Rhodes Scholar, it's okay to commit perjury in front of a grand jury?

 

Perhaps, but looking at Bush's extreme war-driven mentality (and, as a derivative, his low value of human life), that would make this correlation rather staggering, wouldn't you say?

1. Prove President Bush's "extreme war-driven mentality."

 

2. I'll say again, low value of human life? What about pro-abortion liberals? Before Dreamer jumps on me... pro-choice is inherently pro-abortion because one is supporting (pro) the protection of a choice (the ability to have an abortion).

 

has absolutely nothing to do with a valid political stand, it has to do with his personal morality.

So there's no relation b/t personal morality and one's political stances? Remember, it's separation of Church & State, not morality & thought.

[Guest DrTom]

pro-choice is inherently pro-abortion because one is supporting (pro) the protection of a choice (the ability to have an abortion).

You're contradicting yourself right there. Pro-choice is exactly that: the belief that abortion should be preserved as an available option. There are some pro-choice people who are basically pro-abortion, but they're far from the majority. Most pro-choice people realize that it's a difficult decision, and that no one ever *wants* to have an abortion.

[Guest EricMM]

Can I just say that Hybrid cars are for Pussy yuppies...Real Men drive Trucks.

Why do real men drive trucks instead of hybrid cars? What about Hybrid trucks?

 

Hydrogen cars are good in theory, but the enrgy cost is too high currently and the technology is still at least ten years away. It's a necessary and good move but it's also one that doesn't do anything for the short-term and present conditions.

I totally agree that they're not feasable now, but if they got the same government spending that Big Oil got, they might be feasable in 3 years or 6 years instead of 10. Plus if you taxed gas more and put that money into hydrogen/fuel cell research, it'd just go faster and faster. AND I'm not just saying that because my blood runs green, I'm saying that because America would profit greatly from a world political standpoint if it could start ignoring oil, at least somewhat.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Please explain how the poor pay more taxes...no...how they pay ANY taxes. See, poor people don't receive tax cuts because they don't PAY taxes.

 

Let me be more specific.

 

I consider "the poor" anyone who has trouble making ends meet, not Bum #52567 who is currently sitting outside of 7-11. Mary and Bobby down the street, who currently live in low-income housing and are struggling to pay their rent, are poor as well. They're the ones who get audited, not big businessmen, to whom our tax codes pay a massive, proverbial blowjob whenever tax season rolls around.

 

But, so long as you are a well-speaking Rhodes Scholar, it's okay to commit perjury in front of a grand jury?

 

Stupid fucking comment. Had nothing to do with my original argument.

 

1. Prove President Bush's "extreme war-driven mentality."

 

White House Says "FUCK YOU INSPECTORS!"

 

2. I'll say again, low value of human life? What about pro-abortion liberals? Before Dreamer jumps on me... pro-choice is inherently pro-abortion because one is supporting (pro) the protection of a choice (the ability to have an abortion).

 

Yeah, what about them?

 

Try sticking to the topic at hand and stop being like RobJohnstone in changing the subject when it suits you.

 

So there's no relation b/t personal morality and one's political stances? Remember, it's separation of Church & State, not morality & thought.

 

Point taken.

 

I still don't think Georgie Bush should have a say in whether Adam and Steve want to get married, though.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Like I have said before. Electric/Hydro/Hybrid cars could be ready to go SOONER than later, if there was a comittment by the government and the auto industry. Until our government representatives on both sides of the fance decide to get off the liquid crack, and put pressure on the auto industry, then of course nothing will get done. In the past, everytime something is signed to help research electric/hydro cars, there are usually at least 100 provisions that allow the industry to put all research on the back burner.

[Guest Some Guy]

Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Treaty global warming agreement.

Washington Post, March 28, 2001

I don't have enough time or energey to go through all of this right now so I'll justy pick and choose and leave the other stuff under the "Bush doesn't agree with me so he must be stupid" category, because that is what most of the environmental stuff is.

 

NO ONE SIGNED THE FUCKING TREATY!!!!!!!!! Every one just sat back and waited for America to sign first, if it was such a great treaty why didn't CLinton sign it in 97, 98, 99, or 2000? It was bullshit that would have cost America billions and hindered the development of the 3rd world.

 

Cut program that provided prescription contraceptives coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra).

Associated Press, April 11, 2001

 

Viagra should haev been cut too.

 

Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List.

Washington Post, April 12, 2001

 

So what? ANimals come and go, that's life.

 

Will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in recommendations for the federal judiciary appointments.

 

Left wingers dominate many of the major firms and control commities. WHy would he want the advice of his political adversaries?

 

Refused to fund continued litigation of the government´s tobacco company lawsuit.

Associated Press, April 26, 2001

 

Good, the tobacco lawsuits should all end.

 

Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut of which 43% will go to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

 

Well, they do pay 80% of the taxes. Seems fair to me. Who should get a tax cut? Those who don't pay?

 

"If you want to do something about carbon dioxide emissions, then you ought to build nuclear power plants".

Vice President Dick Cheney on Meet The Press.

 

This is true the only carbon dioxide emmisons from a nuke plant is what is exhaled by the employees.

 

Helped kill a law designed to make it tougher for teenagers to get credit cards.

New York Times, March 23, 2001

 

Which bodes the question: Why was this bill ever there? It's called personal responsibility, look it up.

 

Cancelled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high-mileage cars.

Mercury News, May 11th, 2001

 

I'm sure there was no reason, like perhaps they couldn't get it done by then. I'm honestly not sure but I doubt he just killed the bill for no reason. Perhaps because it violates the car makers freedom.

 

Even as Bush highlighted hydroelectric power, he admitted his own doubt that so-called renewable energy sources, including solar and wind power, can ever replace oil and gas. `I hope someday that these renewables will be the dominant source of energy in America. I´m not so sure how realistic that is,´ Bush said."

Associated Press, May 18, 2001

 

What is stupid about this statement? Nothing. HE hopes that they work, but doubts it. I hope that I could get 50 smoking hot woman to take turns sucking my dick but I don't see that happening anytime soon either.

 

I'll get to thee rest of you in a few hours, I'm off to get my hair cut.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

NO ONE SIGNED THE FUCKING TREATY!!!!!!!!! Every one just sat back and waited for America to sign first, if it was such a great treaty why didn't CLinton sign it in 97, 98, 99, or 2000? It was bullshit that would have cost America billions and hindered the development of the 3rd world.

 

Yeah, gee, it's not as if we can afford to take money from our departmental pork-barrell budgets to save the fucking environment.

 

That's terrible logic.

 

So what? ANimals come and go, that's life.

 

Wow, more terrible logic. DUR HUR HUR, LET'S KILL DA AMINALS!

 

What is the logic behind Bush's idea here? Why shouldn't we protect some of the most exotic and beautiful animals in the world?

 

....

 

Hmm?

 

Left wingers dominate many of the major firms and control commities. WHy would he want the advice of his political adversaries?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't all the other presidents dealt with this? Why can't Dubya?

 

Good, the tobacco lawsuits should all end.

 

I find it hilarious that you say that and then use the following as support for your entire claim.

 

"I'll justy pick and choose and leave the other stuff under the "Bush doesn't agree with me so he must be stupid" category"

 

You're using the "Bush agrees with me so it's right hahahhaahahaha i win LOL OMG!" school of thought there, huh? Perhaps you should take a step back and view your own hypocricy before you try to argue with people.

 

Well, they do pay 80% of the taxes. Seems fair to me. Who should get a tax cut? Those who don't pay?

 

See above. Most of them don't pay dick anyway, and the ones that do pay well, well, WELL within their needs. This is as opposed to Joe Nextdoor who can't afford his own damned rent. Stop no-selling my posts.

 

This is true the only carbon dioxide emmisons from a nuke plant is what is exhaled by the employees.

 

Yes, the solution to fixing carbon dioxide problems is adding the risk of a major ecological diasaster.

 

Beautiful logic.

 

I'm sure there was no reason, like perhaps they couldn't get it done by then. I'm honestly not sure but I doubt he just killed the bill for no reason. Perhaps because it violates the car makers freedom.

 

Okay, rule of thumb: don't make an argument if you aren't informed about it.

 

Honda has already done it (see above post). Other companies have already done it, too. If they wanted to accomplish this, they could... but George "I LUV OIL!! OIL LUVS ME!!" Bush couldn't bear the thought of his wonderful black gold being less valuable... but I digress.

 

kthx.

[Guest EricMM]

I guess I WILL LBL since everyone else is. I'll deal with Some Guy and Tyler's comments in that order

 

So what? ANimals come and go, that's life.

The problem is, animals aren't coming as fast as they're going. And it's not some natural event causing this extinction, it's humans. And we're not stopping. So eventually all we'll have left is soy, rats, and cockroaches. This is bad because ecological diversity is KEY. Ask Ireland what happens when you depend on one exactly one crop for all your needs. It gets wiped out and you're fucked. Saying extinction is natural in this case is like saying death is natural in a murder case...

 

Good, the tobacco lawsuits should all end.

Agreed, smoking is a horrible, terminal way to spend your time, but it's total free will, and America is well informed. The suits are groundless.

 

This is true the only carbon dioxide emmisons from a nuke plant is what is exhaled by the employees.

This is true, yet useless. Yes, nuke plants prevent emissions. But they do cause waste, and they are dangerous. Whereas there are other sources that do neither. The problem is, fossil fuels and nuke power are republican standbys. Their fuels are mined. That's a republican standby. the VP is not exactly unbiased, and he's not assessing the best options (IMO)

 

Perhaps because it violates the car makers freedom.

And I'm sure it did. I'm sure it said "You can't make prodominantly huge, profitable, gas guzzlers. They're bad for the roads, the environment, and the govt. Suck it up auto people, and make efficent cars, and learn to sell them." It's not like making SUV's is part of free speech. They're fucking wastes. They could be very efficent, but they're NOT, because that would mean temporarily lowered profits for Auto folks.

 

I hope that I could get 50 smoking hot woman to take turns sucking my dick but I don't see that happening anytime soon either.

If you were the president, you probably could tho. The base point is that Bush doesn't seem to really want to push for clean power. He seems to want things to remain the same.

 

Yeah, gee, it's not as if we can afford to take money from our departmental pork-barrell budgets to save the fucking environment.

That's not the point. The point is, Kyoto would fuck the present American economy, and it would hinder everyone else's economys because they couldn't build a lot of power plants and grow. Right now, America cannot turn profits without being polluting. Thank you Mr. Regan. GERMANY can, JAPAN can, because they bought all the eco companies that Regan desperately wanted to get rid of. And if Mexico can't make polluting factories, what exactly is it SUPPOSED to make? Nothing? Cuz... that's what it would be making. If the US really want to save the Earth, it needs to discover a clean energy source, and teach the world.

 

See above. Most of them don't pay dick anyway, and the ones that do pay well, well, WELL within their needs. This is as opposed to Joe Nextdoor who can't afford his own damned rent. Stop no-selling my posts.

Please quote your sources on this. If its such common knowledge that rich people all evade taxes, why is it that they also pay 80% of them? Millionares already get taxed $.75 out of every dollar they earn. How is that fair? AT ALL? You think it's unfair that they're rich? What exactly are they supposed to do? Cutting taxes to poor people is one thing, but that is what Bush is doing. Do you want him to cut taxes for ONLY poor people? Poor people don't affect the economy as heavily as the rich do (see the whole 80% of taxes figure.) Envy them all you want (I do) but do it with your eyes open.

 

kthx

cute

[Guest Brian]

Actually, hydrogen cars are expected to be ready in fifteen years. Ten is just a hope in the auto industry. I've seen the technology and it will take a ton of work. Like I've said in the past, the energy cost is far too high for such an output. They should be more focused on making cars more feul efficient and converting them to the Honda standard (hybrid). If they're lucky, they'll have a prototype engine ready in five years, and I'm still looking at the whole process and thinking it's going to take longer. Don't get me wrong, it's a really strong theory and it's something that can be done but to create the reaction that turn hydrogen and oxygen into water using a lot less energy is going to take a lot of work. And it's very clean. And eventually we'll figure it out. But I would assume, looking at the technology right now, that we'll be lucky if we can put out a proto-type car in ten years.

 

Then again, he could be just giving more money to the domestic auto companies so they can play catch-up with Toyota and Honda, try to force them out of the market, and then start putting the gas guzzlers up again.

[Guest Some Guy]

I'm too tired to get into this in full, but...

 

Upper class people recieved a larger monetary tax cut because THEY PAY MORE TAXES!!!!!  Why can't you people wrap your heads around that concept and cut this "tax cuts for the rich" bullshit out when it is clearly untrue.

 

Bull fucking shit.

 

The richest members of our society pay NO taxes. If anything, they're just going to get a larger refund because of this tax plan! They are rich enough to find themselves a rich accountant and write off everything under the sun; in effect, they truly pay nothing. Then, guess who gets audited?

 

The poor.

HUH?

 

"Rich" (70,000+, top 25%) people are essentialy the only people who do pay taxes. THe top 10 pay over 50% of the income taxes and way more in property, social security, medicare, etc... You're obvious hatred of the rich has seemingly filled yourr mind full of shit and now it's spewing onto my computer screen.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

This is such an obvious and widely known topic that frankly, I'm surprised you're even asking me to back it up.

 

Type in "Corporate Tax Loopholes" in Google and you'll find a shitload of information.

 

This is a pretty good start.

 

Look, kids! Corporate people scam tax laws... YUMMY!

 

 

If you consider the fact that rich people can afford to pay more money (percentage of income wise), of course they're going to contribute more than the poor. Let's see... can a guy making $40,000 a year pay $500,000 in taxes a year?

 

GEE, GOOD ARGUMENT THERE. OMG, THEY PAY MORE? NO WAY!

 

However, people frequently find massive shields under which they manage to MAKE money off of taxes as well. I'll look up some more sources during class.

 

You're obvious hatred of the rich has seemingly filled yourr mind full of shit and now it's spewing onto my computer screen.

 

Ur obveus hatrid of LIBRALS!!!!! fills yer mind full of shit and it's spewing unto mai cumputer skreen too omgomgomgomg call the FBI!

 

Shut up. Seriously.

[Guest Some Guy]

Well, actually, this is too good on which to not jump in.

 

No that reeks of a political statement. President Bush does not approve of Abortion and wishes that it were not legal, which is a perfectly acceptable standpoint, not one I agree with but whatever. I'm sure that no otehr President has tried to use his power to implement his agenda, certainly not every single fucking one of them, but they must also be stupid, right? Or is it just Pro-Lifers who are stupid?

 

1)So, are you stating that because other presidents have done it... it makes it right? Forcing your ideology on every American citizen by making a NATIONAL HOLIDAY is deplorable, and you know it.

 

I assume you mean "boozer." So enjoying to drink makes you stupid? Or is it regonizing that you have a problem and then overcoming it by yourself that makes him stupid.

 

2There's a difference between "enjoying to drink" and being an alcoholic.

 

Actually, both of them are pretty idiotic, but I digress.

 

The speaking has nothing to do with inteligence and the made up words are a part of his poor public speaking ability. Although he does himself no favors with them.

 

3I think you're completely and utterly wrong here.

 

I sincerely doubt a poor-speaking Rhodes Scholar would make up words. Imagine Shakespeare saying "strategery".

 

Bush executed over 100 people? Is that so? revisionist history and ignorance are bliss. Over 100 people were tried and convicted of 1st degree murder inTexas while he was Governor and sentenced to death by a jury of their own peers. Bush did not pardon anyone, but that couldn't be because they were guilty, could it? Or is this more "he doesn't agree with me so he's stupid bullshit"?

 

4Funny, no other state had even close to the amount of executions as did Texas under DUBYA Bush. Could it be that "them rednecks in Texas" just shoot each other more? Perhaps, but looking at Bush's extreme war-driven mentality (and, as a derivative, his low value of human life), that would make this correlation rather staggering, wouldn't you say?

 

In what way? Because he isn't in favor of the racist policy called affirmative action? Or because he's against gay marriages? Which is a political and religious belief of his and perfectly valid one at that. He disagrees with you so he must be stupid.

 

5)I agree with your point on Affirmative Action, but I vehemently and categorically disagree with the point on gay marriages. It has absolutely nothing to do with a valid political stand, it has to do with his personal morality. In effect, then, he's just being anti-gay. The debate about whether or not that's a good stance is not for this topic, but that is to what it boils down.

 

 

 

I'll keep replying as I go along.

1) No, I didn't say that I agreed with it. But that is what Presidents, all of them do. It's their job to lead the country in the best way they see fit. You nor I have to like it but that's just the way it is. We get all types of dumb shit from both parties, but you don't hear me calling them "stupid" because of it.

 

My "shift" key sticks and I'm not going to bother fixing the errors so if there are words that are capitalized for the first few letters that's why.

 

2) ENJOYING A drink is "idiotic"? So I gues that makes 90% of the AMerican puplic stupid, right? THE POint is that he had a problem, recognized the problem, and fixed it. That should be comended, shit, even Phil DOnahue will say that.

 

3) So TEd Kennedy is "stupid" I suppose? HE IS A worse speaker than BUsh and trips over his words far more often. I also never claimed that Bush was as Rhode's Scholar, Clinton was though.

 

4) OK, Bush was Governor of TExas (an extremely popular Governor, no less) and the state chose to execute murderers. They did this before BUSH was GOV. and continue to do this afterwards. So what? These people killed someone else in cold blood with malice aforethought. WHo is the one with no respect for human life again?

Plus. Bush never killed anyone, that was Ted KEnnedy. DIfferent politcal family and former alcohol abuser.

 

5) NO, being anti-gay and against gay marraige is not the same. Bush has done nothing to hurt gays and has done really nothign to help them and he has no obligation to specifically help gays, they have greater than equal protection under law. He's remained pretty ambivilant about it. Keep in mind that gay marraige is not a popular thing, it would not win in a national election. People don't want it, this is a democracy last I checked. Oh yeah, most people's political ideology stems from their personal morality. Your's does, mine does, what's the problem?

[Guest Some Guy]

So there's no relation b/t personal morality and one's political stances? Remember, it's separation of Church & State, not morality & thought.

 

Point taken.

 

I still don't think Georgie Bush should have a say in whether Adam and Steve want to get married, though.

But you should?

 

And would you cut the shit with "Georgie" and "DUBYA" it's irritating.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

I'm posting these articles as I find them.

 

Enron screws tax collectors. Of course, that's no surprise, is it?

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

2) ENJOYING A drink is "idiotic"? So I gues that makes 90% of the AMerican puplic stupid, right?

 

Choosing to poison your brain is rather stupid, yes.

 

That should be comended, shit, even Phil DOnahue will say that.

 

Wow, I could really care less about what Phil Donahue says.

 

Sure, give him props for quitting. With some of his decisions, though, I question whether he did or not.

 

3) So TEd Kennedy is "stupid" I suppose? HE IS A worse speaker than BUsh and trips over his words far more often. I also never claimed that Bush was as Rhode's Scholar, Clinton was though.

 

"Tripping over words" and making them up are two vastly different things. Hell, even a semi-intelligent bad speaker won't make up words most of the time. Making up words is pure idiocy.

 

4) OK, Bush was Governor of TExas (an extremely popular Governor, no less) and the state chose to execute murderers. They did this before BUSH was GOV. and continue to do this afterwards. So what? These people killed someone else in cold blood with malice aforethought. WHo is the one with no respect for human life again?

Plus. Bush never killed anyone, that was Ted KEnnedy. DIfferent politcal family and former alcohol abuser.

 

So, an eye for an eye is a proper policy... and this is coming from the Religious Right.

 

So... someone KILLS ANOTHER MAN and to make it right, we kill them? Beautiful logic, my friend! Bring up abortion, I dare you.

 

Also, stop with the stupid, inane little jabs on Dems. They're pointless and they show that you require the topic to be changed in order to maintain your point.

 

5) NO, being anti-gay and against gay marraige is not the same. Bush has done nothing to hurt gays and has done really nothign to help them and he has no obligation to specifically help gays, they have greater than equal protection under law. He's remained pretty ambivilant about it. Keep in mind that gay marraige is not a popular thing, it would not win in a national election. People don't want it, this is a democracy last I checked. Oh yeah, most people's political ideology stems from their personal morality. Your's does, mine does, what's the problem?

 

Please provide a source that indicates that more than 50% of voting Americans are against gay unions.

 

Also, please provide a source that indicates that allowing gays to marry will be significantly detrimental to our nation.

 

But you should?

 

And would you cut the shit with "Georgie" and "DUBYA" it's irritating.

 

No, I don't think I should tell them to get married. They should be able to decide on their own.

 

And, I'll stop calling him by his wonderful monikers if you go back and edit your posts.

[Guest Choken One]

My next car will be a Honda Civic Hybrid.

Ah...Small pussy car.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

My next car will be a Honda Civic Hybrid.

Ah...Small pussy car.

Come on, you know that looks tight

[Guest Choken One]

No...Looks like something my Gay Uncles would drive...

 

Call me when they get the Hybrid SUV or Silverado.

[Guest Choken One]

Also, Might I add?

 

THIS IS SUPPOUSED TO BE ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH! Not about your beliefs on some Piece of shit compacted hybrid junk car.