Fabolous To Appear WrestleMania XIX

[Guest Choken One]

You heard those other guys most likely because there unavoidable because they are around in other venues then just rap music...

And that's been my point all along. You want someone who is known in more than one specific venue, because more people will recognize him.

True but Fabolous is very well known in the Rap Community so that is an appeal...

 

It'll be the same if Benoit showed up at a Jay-Z concert...

 

Most of the Rap community might never heard of Benoit...

 

but that doesn't mean he can't be there...

[Guest Choken One]

i forgot to make a few more statments...

 

It doesn't hurt to attract another market like the Rap Community into your community and thus make more money and more fans

 

It's all cross promotion here...

[Guest Anglesault]

I was trying to so that REDNECKS are not allways the stereotype...

Just a point, I think it would be better to say that not all southerners are rednecks.

 

 

Because if someone is called a redneck, its usully for those reasons (Trailer, three teeth, confederate flag, backwards-backwoods) Redneck is, by definition, a negative term.

[Guest Crucifixio Jones]

these rap folk putting labels on everyone else saying we're all redneck assholes

 

I didn't do that. Perhaps you should go back and re-read. However...if the shoe fits. If not, don't be offended.

 

It doesn't hurt to attract another market like the Rap Community into your community and thus make more money and more fans

 

and that's the exact point I was trying to make when I said it was a good business move. Love him or hate him, know him or not, Vince getting Fab is smart for him and it exposes both things to a new fanbase.

[Guest Choken One]

I guess I should've said SOUTHERNS are not always the stereotype thanks for pointing my mistake in grammer...

[Guest Crucifixio Jones]

All in all, as my last word on the subject, those of you rap-haters should not get your panties in a bunch over Fabolous' appearance.

 

It can't be any worse than any number of celebrity appearances and non-wrestlers showing up that did nothing to add to the show over the past 19 years so quit yer crying already.

[Guest Choken One]

In the end...I'll simply equate this to something like Piper/Downey from WM5

 

I don't think Downey was any more a celeb then Fab is today...and Piper was a midcard at the time...

[Guest Bruiser Chong]

Ok, this thread is getting a bit repetitive, so I'll just throw this in before I try and let it go--having this thing on the actual PPV and not Heat, while seeminly illogical, is the right thing to do. Cena is most likely going to be the top heel on SD right after Mania, so why in the world would they put him and something that'll most likely give him some more credibility, on the fuckin' pre-show that few actually watch? I love RVD, but lets face it, WWE isn't on his side, they've put him in a shitty tag team, feud and now match, which few fans have an interest in seeing, whether it's a title match or not. I'd like to see it on the PPV, but face it, titles are basically worthless as is the feud that RVD's in. There's still a strong chance that they make it back onto the PPV to take on the Dudleyz, so everyone should calm down until it happens (not in this thread, but others I've seen).

 

As for Cena, I think I've said all that needs to be said about him and this thing with Fab, and I think that if you take two second to think about it, you'll see that it should be on the actual PPV and not tossed on the pre-show.

[Guest Anglesault]

Oh, if they have to do it, do it on the actual show. While it's a waste (IMO) anyway, it's a bigger (and financial) waste to put it on the pre-show.

[Guest Choken One]

Any one notice the REALLY remarkable thing here?

 

AS went 5 pages without ONE mention of Angle...

[Guest deadbeater]

They found the one Black guy Cena can beat rapping. That's all I have to say.

[Guest Army Eye]

You need to have someone the whole audience knows, not just certain parts.

Whole audience != you. Eh... let's put it this way. Anybody who does any one of the following:

 

likes rap

watches MTV

listens to 'top 40' type radio

goes to clubs

 

all know who Fabolous is. That's probably a very good percentage of the WWE audience. A lot of the younger fans, obviously

 

WWE clearly covets the MTV crowd anyway, with all the shitty nu-metal bands they have promoted over the past few years

 

You can say what you want about how it's a waste to bring in a rapper like this to 'battle' Cena, and that's fine, but if they are dead set on it, trust me that getting Fabolous to do it is a fairly big coup. He gets a lot more play than, say Drowning Pool, Saliva, Motorhead, etc. Cena has zero chance of out-rapping Fabolous, but he's a heel so I don't think they want him to win anyway. They'll give him some good pre-written lines and he'll hopefully put up a good fight and be more credible as a 'rapper' I guess. Then afterwards if he loses he'll get mad and punk somebody out, or destroy some equpment or what have you.

[Guest Banky]

Fabolous, from what I've heard, some fairly weak. As I've said, Cena has pretty good flow for being a wrestler. I won't say he'll win, but it'll be interesting. Its Wrestlemania, he may pull out some hidden extrordinary talent. I'm all for it.

 

I don't think people should automatically discredit hip hop as a bastardized form of music as people have in the past. It does have its own niche, and its very respectable. My problem with hip hoppers lies in that it is the only form of music they like. They'll critisize any other form of music to further their narrow minded hip hop fanaticism. If I am painting all of you with the same brush, tell me, but the ones I know are the same way. Also, the rap that is on the radio now is garbage. Utter crap. Even the guys who used to be great have degenerated into shit. Snoop is a comedy act, Puffy is a nothing, Fabolous is a MASE rip off, and Dre carries around Eminem's jock. Eminem may be a fucker, be has the raw, pure, natural talent that makes him stick out. Aside from his shenanigans he has all the tools to honestly be one of the greatest musicians in history.

 

Cena vs. Fabolous?

 

Count me in.

 

I could care less if it takes away from other peoples matches, this is Cena's chance to shine. It could prove very vauleable for Cena's mainstream appeal, and that is exactly what the company needs right - mainstream appeal. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander - everyone on the roster should respect Cena's chance to step to the plate.

[Guest Vyce]

Damn, I'd be all excited if:

 

a) I didn't think rap / hip hop is a poor excuse for "music" and

 

b) I don't even know who the hell "Fabolous" is.

[Guest Crucifixio Jones]

Okay, Banky...Fabolous is not weak.

 

I listen to alot of rap, I grew up on it. But I listen to other forms of music and in fact, take pride in coming to a forum and not bashing those other forms like so many supposedly more open minded fans do to hip hop. Most hardcore "hip hoppers" as you say also listen to other forms of music and that tends to be where they draw the majority of their inspiration. I thought that much was obvious. It's not like white people come in and say "You have to use this sample!" No, it comes from them listening to more than just their own genre.

 

Lastly, for you to say that Dr. Dre, one of the greatest producers of all-time, not just in rap and the man who has done immeasurable things for the game in his 15+ year career carries Eminem's jock shows me just how twisted MTV has your generation.

 

I'd like to see how far Eminem's raw, pure natural talent would've gotten him had Dre never signed him. Oh yeah, the same place he was BEFORE Dre signed him. Unknown. I'm not taking anything away from him but talent is just talent when you don't have a forum to exploit it and Em without Dre would be just that. Don't get it mixed up, playa...Dre put Eminem on, not the other way around. It's Dre's beats that have helped catapult him to stardom. It's no coincidence that Eminem's production sounds nearly identical to Dre's. It's because Dr. Dre (OMG A BLACK MAN OH NO) is the mentor and Eminem is the student. You got the jock carrying analogy all confused.

 

I think rap / hip hop is a poor excuse for "music"

 

And that seems to be the general attitude at TSM (even if it's not the right one) and the reason why a thread like this has reached 5 pages. Well, that and everyone's unbelievably long, big and garish personal signatures.

 

You don't even have to do be a huge hip hop fan to know who Fabolous is. Just turn on your TV. Reebok ad. Turn on your radio. Go to a club like the poster above said. You'll hear him. I don't know how he became this big unknown, especially to the kids on this forum seeing as how you're just the age to know who he is. How shut in do you have to be? He's not on the level of Eminem, Jay-Z, DMX or Ja Rule to most of you, I know, but I guarantee none of those guys would give Vince the time of day.

[Guest Banky]

Okay, Banky...Fabolous is not weak. 

 

I listen to alot of rap, I grew up on it.  But I listen to other forms of music and in fact, take pride in coming to a forum and not bashing those other forms like so many supposedly more open minded fans do to hip hop.

 

Lastly, for you to say that Dr. Dre, one of the greatest producers of all-time, not just in rap and the man who has done immeasurable things for the game in his 15+ year career carries Eminem's jock shows me just how twisted MTV has your generation.

 

I'd like to see how far Eminem's raw, pure natural talent would've gotten him had Dre never signed him.  Oh yeah, the same place he was BEFORE Dre signed him.  Unknown.  I'm not taking anything away from him but talent is just talent when you don't have a forum to exploit it and Em without Dre would be just that.

 

I think rap / hip hop is a poor excuse for "music"

 

And that seems to be the general attitude at TSM (even if it's not the right one) and the reason why a thread like this has reached 5 pages.  Well, that and everyone's unbelievably long, big and garish personal signatures.

CJ, I respect that you do have a broad taste in music, but be honest, many hip hoppers do generally only like the same genre.

 

As far Em, I clearly understand how he made it big, it was all due to Dre's influence. I understand that he gave him credibility. But I just haven't heard anything from Dre himself that has really interested me in a long time. Dre was absolutely on point when he was in Death Row. That stuff was amazing. Both he and Snoop haven't done a thing for me since then.

 

Eminem is great when he isn't on a verbal rampage critisizing everyone. But when he is just flowing, he is amazing. The guy has so much talent it is sickening. I don't like mainstream 'rap' at all. I hated Eminem, and tried to fight it, but he is that good. There is no point in denying it.

 

People like Fabolous and others do nothing for me because I can't relate to their lifestyle of fucking bitches, and having tons of money. That is what Puff Daddy, Busta, and others primiarily rap about. I don't like that...at all. But much of the people from the underground, or even the people rising above the underground have more thoughtful lyrics, and more creative flows. All of the stuff on MTV, and I'm not from an MTV generation (I live in Canada), is the same. I say that about a lot of the music of MTV or muchmusic or whatever. Its not just hip hop. I like sinceirty in my music, something that is about the music, not the stuff that comes from it - girls money, cars, crystal, ect...

[Guest Crucifixio Jones]

Being from Canada, all I can say is your view of real hip hop is gonna be slightly skewed and watered down. Which is probably why you think Cena even stands a chance.

 

But in actuality it's akin to putting someone who boxes as a hobby and dabbles in it a little part-time in the ring with a lifelong trained professional. Fabolous makes a living rapping. Cena toys with it and it's his "gimmick". No contest.

 

I understand your gripe about the content that some rappers include in their lyrics nowadays, but again, that's not ALL rap and if you think Fab is gonna come there and rap about guns and Belvedere then you may be surprised.

 

At any rate, a battle is about lyrical skill, flow, timing and clever wordplay which Fab has in spades and Cena...not so much.

[Guest TheGame2705]

As someone who started liking rap BECAUSE of Dr. Dre I must say I pity you. Dre carries no one's jock and like C said, talent is talent. Is it just a coincidence 50 Cent and Eminem are huger than life since they signed with Dre?

 

Even the guys who used to be great have degenerated into shit. Snoop is a comedy act, Puffy is a nothing, Fabolous is a MASE rip off, and Dre carries around Eminem's jock

And stay tuned to TRL on MTV. Everyone knows Snoop doesn't look like he gives shit anymore and I think he truly doesn't give a shit anymore so saying he's a comedy act is obvious. Puffy has always been a nothing who had charisma. That's the only thing that's gotten him by. His shit is not his own and I'd think you can relate to that as Cena's are probably not his own either. I'd also think Loon is a Mase rip-off moreso because he actually hangs with Diddy (OMG WHO IS LOON~??!). And I already addressed that incredibly stupid statement you said last.

[Guest Banky]

Being from Canada, all I can say is your view of real hip hop is gonna be slightly skewed and watered down. Which is probably why you think Cena even stands a chance.

 

But in actuality it's akin to putting someone who boxes as a hobby and dabbles in it a little part-time in the ring with a lifelong trained professional. Fabolous makes a living rapping. Cena toys with it and it's his "gimmick". No contest.

 

I understand your gripe about the content that some rappers include in their lyrics nowadays, but again, that's not ALL rap and if you think Fab is gonna come there and rap about guns and Belvedere then you may be surprised.

 

At any rate, a battle is about lyrical skill, flow, timing and clever wordplay which Fab has in spades and Cena...not so much.

I've always said Cena was good for a guy who isn't part of the game. Fab may beat him, its simply that I haven't ever been really impressed with him. For all we know Cena may have something special up his sleeve. You never know, he isn't THAT bad at it.

 

My skewered opinion of hip hop doesn't lie in the fact that I am from Canada as much as it that I am not a huge fan of it. For the most part, I can leave most of the stuff I hear. I don't really expose myself to a large part of it. But I know plenty of guys who live that music as much as any American. I live in the asshole of Canada and we had a 22 year old promoter bringing in Del, Aceyalone, Souls of Mischief, and others....and the 500 people in attendence would be signing along to every word. People know the music up here.

 

Lyrical skill + flow + timing + clever wordplay is the antithesis of so much of the mc's making a living today. Can you tell me 50 Cent has that? I don't hear him saying much of anything. How about Puffy? Give me some Common. The guy takes hip hop to another level. His experimentation with other types of music is what endears me to the music. People willing to take a risk yet still staying true to their roots.

[Guest Crucifixio Jones]

I said all of those things were important in "battles" not in just rap period, Banky. And I said a few posts back that someone like 50 Cent would terrible at this (because someone suggested someone more "popular") because it's not his thing.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Whole audience != you. Eh... let's put it this way. Anybody who does any one of the following:

 

likes rap

watches MTV

listens to 'top 40' type radio

goes to clubs

 

all know who Fabolous is. That's probably a very good percentage of the WWE audience.

 

How can a person find time to do any of that stuff posting on a message board over 11,000 times?

[Guest Banky]

I said all of those things were important in "battles" not in just rap period, Banky. And I said a few posts back that someone like 50 Cent would terrible at this (because someone suggested someone more "popular") because it's not his thing.

I stopped reading the posts after the 4th page, it was all the same.

 

No, I disagree. It is important to have all of those aspect in the music all of the time. Isn't that part of hip hop? A truly good MC can do all of that, and transform it into a balanced record with good flow, intelligence, and a witty play on words. Atleast that is how I enjoy my hip hop. I don't dig not being able to understand what they are saying, or having a good flow without the lyircs making sense ie. Ghostface.

[Guest TheGame2705]

I said all of those things were important in "battles" not in just rap period, Banky.  And I said a few posts back that someone like 50 Cent would terrible at this (because someone suggested someone more "popular") because it's not his thing.

I stopped reading the posts after the 4th page, it was all the same.

 

No, I disagree. It is important to have all of those aspect in the music all of the time. Isn't that part of hip hop? A truly good MC can do all of that, and transform it into a balanced record with good flow, intelligence, and a witty play on words. Atleast that is how I enjoy my hip hop. I don't dig not being able to understand what they are saying, or having a good flow without the lyircs making sense ie. Ghostface.

Hope you aren't a Nas fan....The only thing I don't like about Ghost is how he raps so fast which sometimes doesn't stay in tune with the beat. I noticed you ignored my post too.

[Guest Banky]

I said all of those things were important in "battles" not in just rap period, Banky.  And I said a few posts back that someone like 50 Cent would terrible at this (because someone suggested someone more "popular") because it's not his thing.

I stopped reading the posts after the 4th page, it was all the same.

 

No, I disagree. It is important to have all of those aspect in the music all of the time. Isn't that part of hip hop? A truly good MC can do all of that, and transform it into a balanced record with good flow, intelligence, and a witty play on words. Atleast that is how I enjoy my hip hop. I don't dig not being able to understand what they are saying, or having a good flow without the lyircs making sense ie. Ghostface.

Hope you aren't a Nas fan....The only thing I don't like about Ghost is how he raps so fast which sometimes doesn't stay in tune with the beat. I noticed you ignored my post too.

What am I supposed to say?

[Guest papacita]

Hope you aren't a Nas fan...

Why do you keep bringing up Nas?

 

And for the record, I don't Loon is that bad a rapper. He spit some nice stuff on the P. Diddy album a couple of years ago.

[Guest Army Eye]

How can a person find time to do any of that stuff posting on a message board over 11,000 times?

Heh.. exactly. Just making it clear that AS does not in any way represent the WrestleMania audience.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Nas has flow, Nas has rythym, but he lacks content.

[Guest Crucifixio Jones]

It is important to have all of those aspect in the music all of the time. Isn't that part of hip hop? A truly good MC can do all of that, and transform it into a balanced record with good flow, intelligence, and a witty play on words.

 

Ha. Not all rap is the same. Diff'rent strokes for different folks but not every rapper is that way nor does every rap fan wanna hear the same type of rap from every rapper. I imagine it's the same in ANY genre of music. Not every artists holds themselves to the highest level of creativity and yet they still have fans. That's how it SHOULD be. I don't want everyone sounding the same.

[Guest Army Eye]

Nas has flow, Nas has rythym, but he lacks content.

LOL. Now I've heard everything.

[Guest El Satanico]

I try to stay pretty open minded about music and usually know of the popular bands/groups/whatever. Seriously I've never heard of this guy at all.

 

But if he's big with the MTV crowd that's probably for the best as I don't like stuff MTV plays.