Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 He's not worth releasing until he does that high profile job at a Mania, thats all I know. Force the guy to job to someone next year in a retirement stip match and thats it. With Taker I think this shit with FBI is a fucking joke, we all know the result that will be. Major squashing ensues every week once it takes off ala Taker v. Hardys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 It would be cool for them just to have Benoit SNAP and take out his aggression on anyone and everyone. Have him fuck up Tazz, have him fuck up Cole, have him fuck up Albert and Big Show, have him fuck up the FBI, just get his rage over. Not a hissy fit, just a blind furious rage. He finally calls out (vince) Mcmahon and demands a title shot - saying he's tired of having to shut up and do his job. He can talk about not being what Vince sees as an ideal champion, how he is a little guy, and how Vince is protecting his golden boy in brock lesnar because he knows that Lesnar has never faced anyone like Benoit before. Chris can say he is tired of holding back his rage and he is going to start taking control over his own destiny. The promo doesn't have to be anything fancy, just intense, and benoit can do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 The problem with Brock vs. Cena is do you think people would care about it? I mean, people probably wouldn't care about Brock vs. Benoit much more, but at least you'd get a good match out it. They could have worked it as 'Benoit tears a muscle in his arm while having Brock in the crossface' and have Benoit lose - THEN focus on the fact that no matter how close Benoit gets something always seems to happen that stops him from being champ. They could go back to WCW where he finally won it but left to the WWE. This muscle tear has him out for a few weeks, he comes back ready for another title shot, but something comes in his way, he fights them at another ppv, then moves on to Brock at Summerslam where the story is two-fold: Can Benoit win the big one? And "Can Brock get free from the crossface"? Rudo, and I say this with no sarcasm or malice, *you* should be a booker someplace. That was an excellent way to develop an angle for Chris. That rocked. Heh, I say we make Rudo TSM's official booker. All in favor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Hell, I'd even go as far as to pair Arn Anderson up with him - Arns motivation is that he doesn't want to see Benoit turn out like him, that Benoit is too good to be held back. Arn can cut that promo in his sleep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I like that idea, could explain further the Brock being almost scared or timid of Benoit as well, and it wouldnt turn him into any sort of cowardly type really if it was done that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Hell, I'd even go as far as to pair Arn Anderson up with him - Arns motivation is that he doesn't want to see Benoit turn out like him, that Benoit is too good to be held back. Arn can cut that promo in his sleep. What sad and absurd at the same time is that Benoit and Arn have been penciled to work with each other as such (him as a manager of him) twice now and somehow, both times its gotten denied. Fuckin eh huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 It's such a perfect match too. Both men are low key, but can turn up the emotion like a motherfucker. The only problem is that Arn doesn't really mean much to the WWE fan so just having him come out and manage benoit wouldn't work very smoothly at first. You'd need a really good set-up for both men to come together, build it up over a few weeks, have Benoit take a few weeks off to train or something and come back with Arn. The problem the WWE has is that often the simplest storyline/the most basic storyline, is the best. Fans can identify with it and it can translate well into a match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 It's such a perfect match too. Both men are low key, but can turn up the emotion like a motherfucker. The only problem is that Arn doesn't really mean much to the WWE fan so just having him come out and manage benoit wouldn't work very smoothly at first. You'd need a really good set-up for both men to come together, build it up over a few weeks, have Benoit take a few weeks off to train or something and come back with Arn. The problem the WWE has is that often the simplest storyline/the most basic storyline, is the best. Fans can identify with it and it can translate well into a match. One way it would have worked with bringing in Arn was when Benoit returned and then did that short alignment with Flair on Raw. Somewhere in there was when Benoit was supposed to be with Arn, in a transition from that with Flair. That was their second attempt of putting Arn with him, the first was supposed to be before Mania 18 in setting up a match with Austin, but Benoit didn't make it back in time. They're so stupid to still not try this idea with Arn, its ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Oh and to add to the Taker thing, even Hulk Hogan knew his place last year and put over both Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle clean as a whistle. What happens? They end up main eventing Wrestlemania. No I'm not saying John Cena would main event Wrestlemania XX if Taker put him over last week clean but its worth pointing out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 It all comes back to the botched return of Benoit... That set him back so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 It all comes back to the botched return of Benoit... That set him back so far. Yup, it did. A mistake from all angles there, and then their program of Austin-Benoit never even happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 The idea of Benoit finally "had enough" has a lot of merit, for how many years has he done the job and watched his own career stay stagnant, even take a step or two back while putting over everyone and his mother? It just has to eat at the guy, although going home to Nancy helps, I'm sure. When he *can* go home, that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Benoit's story in general is enough to get over as a main eventer - all he needs is it to be focused on. Shit, in setting up his big match I'd have interviews with other wrestlers putting over Benoits skill and determination. Have Dean and Eddie talk about their move over from WCW, have Jericho talk about wrestling in Japan and how Benoit got him into ECW, have guys who never even wrestled him talk about the internal-mythology that surrounds him. Hell, I'd even have them talk about him seeing all his friends die, and his worship of Dynamite Kid and kid's current condition. Don't blatently state it, but suggest a certain amount of urgency for Benoit winning the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 That does it, Rudo, you're the site's official booker... now all we need to do is have Dames make it official Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Benoit's story in general is enough to get over as a main eventer - all he needs is it to be focused on. Shit, in setting up his big match I'd have interviews with other wrestlers putting over Benoits skill and determination. Have Dean and Eddie talk about their move over from WCW, have Jericho talk about wrestling in Japan and how Benoit got him into ECW, have guys who never even wrestled him talk about the internal-mythology that surrounds him. Hell, I'd even have them talk about him seeing all his friends die, and his worship of Dynamite Kid and kid's current condition. Don't blatently state it, but suggest a certain amount of urgency for Benoit winning the title. I tell ya what, I would love to see that kind of story build to next years Mania, if it was like that, I would patiently wait for a match with him and Brock in that context. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Memoirs of an Invisible Chevy Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Benoit's story in general is enough to get over as a main eventer - all he needs is it to be focused on. Shit, in setting up his big match I'd have interviews with other wrestlers putting over Benoits skill and determination. Have Dean and Eddie talk about their move over from WCW, have Jericho talk about wrestling in Japan and how Benoit got him into ECW, have guys who never even wrestled him talk about the internal-mythology that surrounds him. Hell, I'd even have them talk about him seeing all his friends die, and his worship of Dynamite Kid and kid's current condition. Don't blatently state it, but suggest a certain amount of urgency for Benoit winning the title. That is a smarks dream, but a mainstream fan's confused nightmare. It will read too deep for them, and drive them away from a wrestler, and lets be honest, they don't truly see as a guy to build up to a Wrestlemania Main Event. They will need to push the guy to the moon to repair the character damage they have done to the guy. Face it, he just lost straight up to John Cena - he needs to become more established. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I think Cena winning right now is good for both Benoit, Lesnar, and Cena. First let's start with why it is good for Cena. Remember how he almost went over Angle in his debut? Cena could rap about how he rightfully "played" (outsmarted) a veteran wrestler. All he would need to do is keep disrespecting Brock, calling him whatever name he thinks of. Cena rides a nice wave of momentum into Backlash, and has a great match with Brock, in which Cena tries to outsmart the Champ at every turn, but eventually Brock's presence and the F5 are too much and Cena loses. Cena takes into consideration that he wasn't able to defeat a World Champ and win the big one in his first ever World Title run, so he begins tearing through the midcard to regain and improve his edge. Thus, once Cena is thrust back into the Main Event in about a year from now, he'll be even better, and him going over Brock or whoever is champ (perhaps Benoit), will make a lot of sense, and Cena will be bought as a credible ME'er. This is a good thing for Brock because all he has to do is avoid Cena's heel tactics and sneaky maneuvers, and hold on to his title. It shuts Cena's trash talking up for a long while (until an eventual rematch). Brock then probably faces Benoit in the summer in a much more intense and meaningful feud. Lastly, this is a good thing for Benoit, because although losing (what he could call) a fluke match to a young and up-n-coming Cena, they could easily have a rematch and Benoit would go over him. Like ravishing said, Benoit can go on a rampage and really allow his emotion to show, revealing that he has been kept dormant in this company, and now it's time for him to rise into the stratosphere. Have this big money match at Summerslam shilled as a skilled/crafty veteran stalking the young and strong champion's title. Brock loses after experiencing the Crossface for the first time. That's how I see it. I don't know if my ideas have holes or not, but if they do, sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Here are the Velocity spoilers, with a couple of edits from me in there. Velocity: Hosted by The Cat and Josh Matthews. Team Angle v. Los Chihuahuas "Los Chihuahuas" missed a ton of spots in this match, making it look real sloppy. Hass put on a vicious ankle lock variation ("Hass Of Pain", IMO) for the win. Matt Tousin v. Bill DeMott Tousin came to the ring with no music. Complete domination by Demott. He powerbombed Tousin so hard! He was about to give him a second powerbomb but then decided against it and pinned him. Matt Hardy promo is shown with Shannon Moore in the back. Moore adjusts Crash Holly's book, which he was reading upside down and said something worthless. Horrible promo, even worse acting. Crash (with Shannon Moore) v. Funaki Shannon Moore interefered and Crash rolled up Funaki for the win. Kanyon v. Rhyno Kanyon was giving a speech with his usual catchphrase "Who Betta than Kanyon?" With that said, Rhyno comes darting out, destroying Kanyon and hitting the GORE for the win. Judging by the spoilers I've read, Mattitude and Shannon Moore are recruiting Crash as the next MF'er, which is GREAT news in my opinion, considering Crash's charisma. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Eh, I'd be happy never seeing Crash again. And I think I saw that Kendrick messed up a move and may have hurt himself (not serious), and that's why the Matt/Kendrick match is shorter than it should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Shannon Moore and now Crash Holly? They should rename the M'Fers to the JOB Squad 2003. What ever happened to Rhyno being an M'Fer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Team Angle v. Los Chihuahuas "Los Chihuahuas" missed a ton of spots in this match, making it look real sloppy. Hass put on a vicious ankle lock variation ("Hass Of Pain", IMO) for the win. Who the Hell is Los Chihuahuas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted April 16, 2003 The problem with Brock vs. Cena is do you think people would care about it? I mean, people probably wouldn't care about Brock vs. Benoit much more, but at least you'd get a good match out it. They could have worked it as 'Benoit tears a muscle in his arm while having Brock in the crossface' and have Benoit lose - THEN focus on the fact that no matter how close Benoit gets something always seems to happen that stops him from being champ. They could go back to WCW where he finally won it but left to the WWE. This muscle tear has him out for a few weeks, he comes back ready for another title shot, but something comes in his way, he fights them at another ppv, then moves on to Brock at Summerslam where the story is two-fold: Can Benoit win the big one? And "Can Brock get free from the crossface"? At least they've built an issue between them, and exceot for the Taker shit it looks like the WWE is committed to making John Cena a true star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrVenkman PhD 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Who do you guys think "Mr. America" is? Hogan under a mask? Also, the 1w Velocity spoilers say Kanyon did a promo with Jackie Gayda before his match. I have nothing against them doing angles on the B-shows, it's just that no one watches. How many people are going to watch SmackDown on the 24th knowing Crash is an MFer and Kanyon is back with Gayda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted April 16, 2003 The idea of Benoit finally "had enough" has a lot of merit, for how many years has he done the job and watched his own career stay stagnant, even take a step or two back while putting over everyone and his mother? It just has to eat at the guy, although going home to Nancy helps, I'm sure. When he *can* go home, that is. Er, Benoit divorced Nancy Sullivan and remarried. Didn't you see that "black screen" promo he gave? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I was under the impression that Benoit had married and got divorced before Nancy came along. But seriously, I would put money on Rudo and Red caring more about Benoit's title woes than Benoit himself, judging by more than one Benoit quote I've come across. And speaking of woes, this is nothing compared to 1998, where Chris struggled to get the US title and never got it, and then struggled to get the TV title and never got it. (Well, he got both the following year but you know what I mean...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Shitty as it might be, going over Benoit clean goes a long way in establishing Cena. Sure, Cena sucks and we'd all rather see Benoit with Brock, but at least the're trying to get him over for the PPV. Of course, immediatly after Cena will evaporate into thin air and start an angle with Albert or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrVenkman PhD 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I'm pretty sure Benoit is married to Nancy... that's who had his kid, anyway. The Benoit Bio on IMDB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I'm pretty sure Benoit is married to Nancy... that's who had his kid, anyway. The Benoit Bio on IMDB OH yeah, because we know how dependable and up to date IMDB.com is for info regarding wrestlers and wrestling personalities. This same site listed Stephanie as being married to Howard Finkel before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrVenkman PhD 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Oh, I know their wrestling bios are often wrong (hell, at one point I had them listing a fake promotion called the EfNet Pro Wrestling Power Hour until someone else went overboard with adding fake stuff to it, causing IMDB to remove it). I'm just saying, today is the first time I've ever heard anything about him not being married to Nancy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Benoit did talk about his wife and kids in those sit-down interview thingies.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
