X-2 Thoughts

[Guest Flyboy]

I quit reading after Onslaught #1, how did Wolvie get his adamantium back? And how are the "bone" claws explained? If they're bone, were they still implanted into him during Weapon X, or was he born with them as a part of his mutation?

During an encounter with the mutant Magneto on his space station called Avalon, Wolverine attempted to defeat Magneto using the claws presumably given to him by the Weapon X project. Magneto retaliated, using his powers of the magnetic field to tear the adamantium out of Wolverine's skeleton, causing extensive injuries. These injuries shorted out Wolverine's healing factor for a time, and Logan also discovered that the claws that he believed a result of the Weapon X project were in fact a natural mutation. The claws he now possesses are bone, and a natural part of his skeletal structure.

 

As a result of his injuries, Logan left the X-Men for a time, returning after he was asked by Xavier, who also asked the mutant Cable, to rescue the X-Men in Tibet, where they were captured during the Phalanx invasion.

 

Recently, Logan was kidnapped by Tyler Dayspring, calling himself Genesis, who wanted to make Wolverine one of his new Horsemen. Genesis had acquired adamantium by destroying the body of the mercenary known as Cyber, and had planned to recreate the bonding process used on Logan years ago. This time, however, Logan's body rejected the adamantium, and he regressed for a time to a feral-like state.

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I'll find out how he finally gets his adamantium back later.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

FUCK! I typed in like an paragrpah long response about the money..calling Nightcrawler, the money...

 

But heyt, Wolverine kickde some ass gents, eh?

[Guest art_vandelay]

Thanks Flyboy. Man, they totally fucked him up there. It makes a lot more sense for the claws to be added during Weapon X.

 

Recently, Logan was kidnapped by Tyler Dayspring, calling himself Genesis, who wanted to make Wolverine one of his new Horsemen. Genesis had acquired adamantium by destroying the body of the mercenary known as Cyber, and had planned to recreate the bonding process used on Logan years ago. This time, however, Logan's body rejected the adamantium, and he regressed for a time to a feral-like state.

 

I actually have this issue (Wolverine #100). Wolverine turned into this dog-like thing with a bandana around his head and eyes. Really messed up.

[Guest C-Bacon]

Did i miss Sebastian Shaw in this movie, or was he not in it?

[Guest The Grand Pubah of 1620]

I quit reading after Onslaught #1, how did Wolvie get his adamantium back? And how are the "bone" claws explained? If they're bone, were they still implanted into him during Weapon X, or was he born with them as a part of his mutation?

During an encounter with the mutant Magneto on his space station called Avalon, Wolverine attempted to defeat Magneto using the claws presumably given to him by the Weapon X project. Magneto retaliated, using his powers of the magnetic field to tear the adamantium out of Wolverine's skeleton, causing extensive injuries. These injuries shorted out Wolverine's healing factor for a time, and Logan also discovered that the claws that he believed a result of the Weapon X project were in fact a natural mutation. The claws he now possesses are bone, and a natural part of his skeletal structure.

 

As a result of his injuries, Logan left the X-Men for a time, returning after he was asked by Xavier, who also asked the mutant Cable, to rescue the X-Men in Tibet, where they were captured during the Phalanx invasion.

 

Recently, Logan was kidnapped by Tyler Dayspring, calling himself Genesis, who wanted to make Wolverine one of his new Horsemen. Genesis had acquired adamantium by destroying the body of the mercenary known as Cyber, and had planned to recreate the bonding process used on Logan years ago. This time, however, Logan's body rejected the adamantium, and he regressed for a time to a feral-like state.

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I'll find out how he finally gets his adamantium back later.

Those series of books were awesome. Jean Grey had to use her powers to hold Wolverine's body together after Magneto ripped the adamantium from his skeleton. But after the Onslaught and DC crossovers I have lost track. I know he has it back. But I don't know how.

 

Oh and does it bother any other X-Men fan here that Gambit has been completely left out? I'm pissed. His character had one of the most interesting stories of any character to date.

[Guest Human Fly]

I thought the flick was awesome (like everyone else), it is shaping up to be a good summer for movies.

 

I want Gambit to come in and have something go down between him and Rogue. Forget Iceman, Rogue belongs with Gambit.

 

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I don't think they are going to do any kind of Dark Phoenix saga. I think Jean Grey will just show up as Phoenix in the next one, but won't be evil or anything. Prof. X talked about how everything will be alright in the end with a big smile on his face when he sensed Jean, I think he would have foreshadowed a little more if they were planning on turning her evil.

[Guest Lil Naitch]

More on Wolvie and his claws... a bit incomplete...

Somewhere along the line, Wolvie was killed in battle, and the team found out that it was actually a shape-shifting alien. Shortly thereafter, teh X-men encountered the new Horseman of Death, and it was discovered that it was Wolverine, brainwashed and with his Adamantium replaced. Iforget the who and how at the moment, for I had stopped religiously following the comics by this time. Wolvie eventually got his memory back, kicked ass, and re-joined the X-men

[Guest Goodear]

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Say, was Jason Stryker supposed to be the movie version of Mastermind with a rather large overhaul? I know the name got changed from Jason Wynngarde but the powers seem very similiar and the first name similarity struck me a few minutes after he showed up in the wheelchair.

[Guest starvenger]

I quit reading after Onslaught #1, how did Wolvie get his adamantium back? And how are the "bone" claws explained? If they're bone, were they still implanted into him during Weapon X, or was he born with them as a part of his mutation?

During an encounter with the mutant Magneto on his space station called Avalon, Wolverine attempted to defeat Magneto using the claws presumably given to him by the Weapon X project. Magneto retaliated, using his powers of the magnetic field to tear the adamantium out of Wolverine's skeleton, causing extensive injuries. These injuries shorted out Wolverine's healing factor for a time, and Logan also discovered that the claws that he believed a result of the Weapon X project were in fact a natural mutation. The claws he now possesses are bone, and a natural part of his skeletal structure.

 

As a result of his injuries, Logan left the X-Men for a time, returning after he was asked by Xavier, who also asked the mutant Cable, to rescue the X-Men in Tibet, where they were captured during the Phalanx invasion.

 

Recently, Logan was kidnapped by Tyler Dayspring, calling himself Genesis, who wanted to make Wolverine one of his new Horsemen. Genesis had acquired adamantium by destroying the body of the mercenary known as Cyber, and had planned to recreate the bonding process used on Logan years ago. This time, however, Logan's body rejected the adamantium, and he regressed for a time to a feral-like state.

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I'll find out how he finally gets his adamantium back later.

If you read "Origin", you'll find out that Wolverine's natural mutation is his bone claws, and that his healing factor is something that came as a result of the Weapon X project. In the comics, this is somewhat borne out by the fact that at least two other Weapon X projects, Sabretooth and Deadpool/Agent X, have accelerated healing powers.

 

I want Gambit to come in and have something go down between him and Rogue. Forget Iceman, Rogue belongs with Gambit.

In the terms of the movie, Gambit would likely be a bit too old for Rogue. Then again, the first few appearances of Gambit have him with a deaged Storm, so you never know.

 

Did i miss Sebastian Shaw in this movie, or was he not in it?

I think that he might have been in a tv newsclip in one of those "blink and you miss it" cameos, kinda like Dr. Henry McCoy.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Did i miss Sebastian Shaw in this movie, or was he not in it?

I don't think he was in it, I didn't catch him either if he was.

[Guest notJames]

All I've got to say is WOW! This movie exceeded all my expectations.

 

Aside 01: the movie theatre where my wife and I saw X-2 is housed in the same property as a Tex-Mex chain restaurant called Chevy's. Well, this weekend, while the huge X-2 was going on, Chevy's was running an outdoor festival for Cinco de Mayo. So needless to say, the lot was full. For the entire day! Scores of drunken fratboys and hook-nasties meandering to and fro staring at each other through Corona goggles. I was pretty pissed once we got there. Luckily, we parked just outside the property at a Chinese buffet place we'd never seen before. We had just enough time to grab dinner, which was on the higher-end of quality for a buffet place. A short walk later, carving a path through the throngs of idiots, and we were on our way to cinematic nirvana.

 

My favourite part was…

 

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…watching the whole Magneto prison break unfold. The prison guard kidnapping was a complete swerved that totally worked, and having Magneto float across the broken expanse with the two marbles orbiting him was masterful. I marked out like a fanboy with diapers on.

 

Aside 02: supposedly, X-2, having brought in $82 million domestically, is now 4th on the list of highest-grossing openings, bowing out to Spider-Man and the two Harry Potter flicks. It also was one of, if not the first, film to open worldwide simultaneously.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

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Say, was Jason Stryker supposed to be the movie version of Mastermind with a rather large overhaul? I know the name got changed from Jason Wynngarde but the powers seem very similiar and the first name similarity struck me a few minutes after he showed up in the wheelchair.

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Yeah, he was supposed to be a different version of Mastermind. If they do the Inner Circle storyline during X3 involving the Pheonix saga I think Wynngarde will probably be involved in that.

[Guest mach7]

Well, I saw X-2 on the weekend. Caught a Saturday matinee of it here in Toronto at the Paramount. Most anyone who knows me, knows that I wasn't really looking forward to the film. Being a huge X-Men fan, who owns nearly the complete collection of the "Uncanny X-Men' comics, I was quite disappointed with the first film. The way that characters were changed was what bothered me the most. But I guess you can never get a perfect translation from any of these directors, or producers, or writers - even if they claim to be as big a fan as you are.

 

Anyways, enough of my ranting. I needed a bit of an intro, though. I guess you could say that after the first film, I was prepared to be disappointed again. But.. I wasn't. I marked out a few times to be honest. Mostly for Kurt Wagner and Mystique.

 

And it was a good movie, too. The fx, the story, the character development. Especially that of Pyro.

 

I don't know why I changed my tune. I think it's because the first film was already done and in the can, so there was no going back.

 

Anyway. Highly recommended.

 

And it was especially cool realizing that I've actually met and chatted with the actor who plays Iceman. I didn't even realize it till my friend had reminded me. He'd introduced us at a restaurant here in Toronto about a year and a half ago and I had just thought it was a friend of his from school or work or something. Wierd shit, I must say!

[Guest DrTom]

I caught a 12:01 am showing Friday morning and got a couple free posters for my troubles.

 

TSM Review of X2, to help further discussion. It's pretty spoiler-free since I never try to give away anything of consequence in a review.

[Mrnoitaull 0]

Really boosted me to find out that Wolverine diced more than just guns in this one .

[Guest starvenger]

Being a huge X-Men fan, who owns nearly the complete collection of the "Uncanny X-Men' comics, I was quite disappointed with the first film. The way that characters were changed was what bothered me the most. But I guess you can never get a perfect translation from any of these directors, or producers, or writers - even if they claim to be as big a fan as you are.

I don't think that Singer ever claimed to be a big fan of comics, but I think that he did read a lot of the books to make sure that what he did was "fanboy friendly".

 

The changing of Rogue was the biggest thing, but I suppose it was a mixture of compressing her backstory combined with fufilling the need for a Shadowcat/Jubilee-like foil for Wolverine.

 

Pyro was changed quite a bit, but it wasn't a bad thing - the whole fire/ice dynamic with Iceman will probably be a good subplot in the next movie.

 

I thought that the biggest difference was that this movie was some 40 minutes longer than the original, which I think made a HUGE impact in being able to add a good balance of characterization and action. Had they done that for the original it'd probably have played out better, but who knows - maybe the FX in those scenes were really shit or something.

[Guest The Grand Pubah of 1620]

I just saw it and I think it was great. My only problem was the punking of Wolverine yet again. He is a much better fighter in the books then the movies make him out to be.

[Guest eiker_ir]

here are the references that were in the computer Mystique was using:

 

*********SPOIIIIIILERS**********

 

 

 

 

Gutherie, Paige - Husk

Gutherie, Samuel - Cannonball

Harada, Keniucho - Silver Samurai

Kane, Garrison - Weapon X

LeBeau, Remy - Gambit

Lensherr, Eric M. - Magneto

Maddicks, Artie - no alias

Madrox, Jamie - Multiple Man

Mahn, Xi'an Coy - Karma

Maximoff (2) - Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch

McTaggart, Kevin - Proteus

Moonstar, Danielle - Mirage

Munroe, Ororo - Storm

 

 

 

Omega Red - Russia's version of the Weapon X project & A Villian that is the counterpoint to Wolverine

Franklin Richards - Son of Reed and Sue Richards, possibly the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe

Muir Island - Home of a Mutant Research Center

Project Wideawake - Code name for the Gervernment's Sentinel project. Giant robots that were/are designed to capture & detain mutants.

 

 

 

and just as a bonus:

 

 

[Guest art_vandelay]

Holy fuck, that's cool. Thanks eiker. I just spent a good 30 minutes looking up all that info, and I somehow stumbled across some X-Men HENTAI:

 

http://www.snikt.com/COTA/smut.htm

 

Just thought I'd share.

[Guest starvenger]

here are the references that were in the computer Mystique was using:

I'm thinking that most of these were an "easter egg" of sorts, a bit of a nod to us fanboys. It's cool, but don't read into it more than that they were just throwing out names...

[Guest EQ]

Franklin Richards - Son of Reed and Sue Richards, possibly the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe

Project Wideawake - Code name for the Gervernment's Sentinel project. Giant robots that were/are designed to capture & detain mutants.

What can Franklin Richards do?

 

And does anybody think that we might see Sentinels in the next movie, or do you think that was just a nod to hardcore fans?

 

I'd love to see Sentinels, personally. It was always pretty bad ass when they fought them on the cartoon

[Guest starvenger]

What can Franklin Richards do?

I believe that Franklin Richards is the most powerful telekinetic in the (Marvel) world, but I can't remember what other powers he has. He is generally considered one of the three most powerful mutants on Earth (not named Apocalypse).

 

And does anybody think that we might see Sentinels in the next movie, or do you think that was just a nod to hardcore fans?

 

I'd love to see Sentinels, personally.  It was always pretty bad ass when they fought them on the cartoon

Well, it was definitely a nod to hardcore fans, but it's a definitely doable idea...

[Guest Flyboy]

What can Franklin Richards do?

I believe that Franklin Richards is the most powerful telekinetic in the (Marvel) world, but I can't remember what other powers he has. He is generally considered one of the three most powerful mutants on Earth (not named Apocalypse).

Wait, wait... who the hell is Franklin Richards?

 

I always considered X-Man (Nate Grey) one of the most powerful mutants in the world.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Don't know if this is true or not, I just found it.

 

As Susan Richards got pregnant for the first time, his husband's joy turned into shame as he found out that her wife and the baby were dying due to the cosmic radiation that turned them into the 4F many years before. Almost desperate, he discover as well that the only thing possibly capable of saving them seemed to be the cosmic cylinder of Anhilus, the ruler of the Negative Zone. With the help of Johnny and Ben, and after many problems, Reed finally got the cylinder and managed to save them, but as the baby was born, his power was bound to be one of the greatest of the universe. At first, nothing seemed to happen with the kid, but as he got kidnapped from his babysitter -the witch Agatha Harkness-, his special nature started to be obvious and finally, afraid of such enormous power in the body of an innocent child, Reed shot a device at him, depriving him of his power, and being abandoned by his wife due to this. Eventually, they rejoined, but the kid's power, far from being deleted, was released once again as he saw his parents in danger. Finally, Reed managed to put a psychic lock in him, so he could not access to his potential, but Franklin keeps having dreams of things to come and is capable of travelling is astral shape.

Although he's still very young, he has already defeated enemies as powerful as Mephisto or Dr Doom, who tried to use him to recover his mother's soul from hell. He also met the X Men when Kitty was about to die and they asked for Reed's help, and sometimes worked with Power Pack, receiving the nickname of 'Storyteller' from Katie. As his parents dissappeared after the Onslaught attack, his grandfather took him to Banshee, who accepted him as a member of Generation X.

In a possible future, Franklin grown up to be a man, but his power was inhibited by the sentinels and he was trapped in a camp. By then, he was Rachel's lover, but got disintegrated by a sentinel as they were trying to escape from them in front of the very eyes of his fiancee. However, somehow his power allowed him to return to Ray in the past -although quite confused-, but at a terrible cost: the same being couldn't exist at the same time at two different ages, so young Franklin was dying to leave room to his adult self. Finally, he understood that his time was gone (or still to come, depending of the point of view) and let himself dissapeared for the kid to live.

[Guest mach7]

I especially liked that scene. Though, I had to block......

 

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.......out his voice. Why not just give him a Russian accent? Would it have been that hard?

 

and just as a bonus:

[Guest Blue Bacchus]

Project Wideawake - Code name for the Gervernment's Sentinel project. Giant robots that were/are designed to capture & detain mutants.

I remember reading something about the Sentinels being in X2 for a time, Like pre-production. Hopefully they'll be in three. That would be the all out war that apparently is coming in the movie universe.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Can't Franklin Richards (son of Mr. Fantastic aka Reed Richards and Invisible Woman aka Sue Storm Richards of the Fantastic Four) alter reality?

 

If so, I'd definitely give him the nod as the most powerful being on Marvel's Earth.

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

Can't Franklin Richards (son of Mr. Fantastic aka Reed Richards and Invisible Woman aka Sue Storm Richards of the Fantastic Four) alter reality?

 

If so, I'd definitely give him the nod as the most powerful being on Marvel's Earth.

Yes, he can. But he's nowhere near his potential.

 

X-Man can also, to a point. As could the previously mentioned Kevin MacTaggert (Proteus), but he's currently missing or dead.

[Guest starvenger]

X-Man can also, to a point. As could the previously mentioned Kevin MacTaggert (Proteus), but he's currently missing or dead.

Actually, both of them are dead.

[Guest areacode212]

Well, I really disliked X-Men, so I was pretty happy with how much better X2 was. The first one had so many characters, but Wolvie & Rogue got a disproportionate amount of time devoted to them. This time around, everyone got a decent amount of screen time and they didn't have to waste anymore time getting the audience up to speed on who all these people were, and featured a few more little subplots. Lots of great action sequences: the Nightcrawler sequence at the beginning, Wolverine cutting loose and kicking ass in the mansion, the Magneto break-out. Good shit. And it was nice to see Mystique with some great moments--sliding under the door while flipping everyone off, AND...the homage to RRS's role in Femme Fatale. It was nice to see Rebecca not covered in blue latex--I always thought it was a bit of a waste that someone that hot spent the entire first movie not looking like herself.

 

Did anyone else find it somewhat amusing how Lady Deathstrike/Adamantium Lass sank to the bottom of the tank with a *clank*? Hilarity aside, I wish they hadn't killed her off because she could've had a larger role in a future Wolverine arc. Like have Stryker's mind control start to weaken, while Wolverine takes advantage of her confusion and kicks her ass. Then when she's beaten, he lets her get away, but not before macking on her a little. Or maybe I just like looking at Kelly Hu.

 

And chalk me up as someone who missed Piotr's accent. Colossus only had like 3 lines in the movie; faking a Russian accent is not exactly the hardest thing in the world. At the very least, they could've had someone overdub it in post-production.

 

While I sort of marked out for Jean glowing and the Phoenix shadow at the end, I do think they're totally rushing the Phoenix saga. Yeah, it's a neat plot device, but they haven't given us a chance to care about either Jean or Scott. What do we know about Jean's character other than the fact that she *loves Scott*, but also flirts with Wolverine? I agree with Sakura, they should spend more time on the Mutant Registration Act, and with society turning more & more against mutants. They should've let the character of Jean develop more, and given her more of a prominent role so that when the time comes to turn her into Phoenix, the audience actually has some emotional investment in her. I guess they could still save this by having her spend a movie or two as Phoenix, then once she's more established, turn her costume dark red and bring on the Dark Phoenix. And I agree with Pinnacle. While it might be fun to play up Scott's being an annoying pansy-ass, but it works against any audience sympathy for him.

 

My ideas for future sequels:

 

Does anyone else think it would be a good idea if they did a "brand extension" with the X-Men movies, the way they do it in the comics? Release two different X-Men movies (by two directors) within a year, with each of them concentrating on a separate group. The way things are going, each movie is going to have more & more characters, and while they did a good job of spotlighting each character here, there were little flashes of characterization that weren't fully fleshed out. Like Storm's line about how she abandoned pity a long time ago. Or Nightcrawler's faith, which should entail more than just reciting the Lord's Prayer a couple of times per movie. Or Jean & Scott's characters as I mentioned before.

 

A smaller cast would give us the opportunity to see actors like Famke, Halle & Alan Cumming to actually act and flesh out their characters some more instead of just being one of a huge cast of mutants. Obviously, movies that come out every two years aren't going to have the same amount of characterization as monthly comics. And these are action movies, not soap operas. But still, the movies would be so much better if the characters showed more personality, in addition to being mutants with cool powers. This way, they could work their way through more of the comic book storylines & villains: have one team (say, the Wolverine/Jean/Scott team) encounter the Hellfire Club, and the other (Storm/Nightcrawler/Colossus) deal with the Sentinels. Then have both casts go up against Dark Phoenix in a later movie. Or whatever. Obviously Professor X would be in both movies, and members from one team could cameo in the "other" movie. Any thoughts?