Which artists do you think are over-rated?

[Guest goodhelmet]

Pointing to Radiohead as an example of "whiny, crybaby" music only demonstrates that you don't understand what they're doing. Thom Yorke's voice may sound like a sine wave played through a blender, but there's little to no crybaby action going on in their music. And anyone who cites "Creep" as an example to the contrary is welcome to join me in the year 2003 any time they'd like.

I disagree... just because a band is experimental, pioneers a new sound or is different for the sake of being different doesn't mean the songsa re actually...you know... GOOD! that is the bottom line... are the songs good? for the most part, the songs may be innovative but they lack the staying power that good songs tend to have.

 

hell, i still contend their first two albums are better than anything they have created since. ok computer still has hints of musical coherency but after that, it ceased to be music and simply consisted of sounds.

 

that is the difference between the songwriting of the clash and costello vs. the critical darlings of radiohead. the formers' songs remain relevant while radiohead will cease to be relevant 20 years from now. the groundhogs or hedgehoppers anonymousof their generation

[Guest goodhelmet]

What the fuck is with all of the Beatles, Aerosmith, and Rolling stones love?! I can't see why anyone likes any of these bands, they suck horribly, I'd rather listen to Limp Bizkit than this crap!

surely this isn't a serious post and is written with only the intention of flame baiting.

[Guest Plushy Al Logan]

What the fuck is with all of the Beatles, Aerosmith, and Rolling stones love?!  I can't see why anyone likes any of these bands, they suck horribly, I'd rather listen to Limp Bizkit than this crap!

surely this isn't a serious post and is written with only the intention of flame baiting.

I'am serious I can't stand any of those bands! The Beatles were just fifth-rate Elvis impersonators, while Mick Jagger, and Steven Tyler fall into this category to.

[Paul Stanley 0]

KISS paved the way for Rock N' Roll, and the importance of a stage show. Black Sabbath paved the way for metalish stuff, while Judas Priest redefined it. Nirvana paved the way for Grungish/Alternativeish...It's all good..i like them all..can't be simple minded like alot of folk

[Guest goodhelmet]

I'am serious I can't stand any of those bands! The Beatles were just fifth-rate Elvis impersonators, while Mick Jagger, and Steven Tyler fall into this category to.

obviously you have never heard anything from the beatles post 1962. hell, if you would have said buddy holly ripoffs, it would hold more weight than the pap you just spewed.

 

when elvis became a parody of himself and singing cheesy songs to a little japanese girl in "it happened at the worlds fair" the beatles were planting the seeds of what would become a true musical revolution. you don't have like the music but to disagree with the impact on every facet of the music industry would be inaccurate and an injustice.

[Paul Stanley 0]

Oh, and Motley Crue were overrated. LA Guns were much better, hell even KING KOBRA was better!

[Guest Plushy Al Logan]

KISS paved the way for Rock N' Roll, and the importance of a stage show. Black Sabbath paved the way for metalish stuff, while Judas Priest redefined it. Nirvana paved the way for Grungish/Alternativeish...It's all good..i like them all..can't be simple minded like alot of folk

You took the words right out of my fingertips when it comes to Heavy Metal, but we can't forget about Hendrix or Led Zeppelin. ::Thumbs up::

 

obviously you have never heard anything from the beatles post 1962. hell, if you would have said buddy holly ripoffs, it would hold more weight than the pap you just spewed.

 

when elvis became a parody of himself and singing cheesy songs to a little japanese girl in "it happened at the worlds fair" the beatles were planting the seeds of what would become a true musical revolution. you don't have like the music but to disagree with the impact on every facet of the music industry would be inaccurate and an injustice.

 

I have heard more of their post-'62 stuff, and it's just horrible, and what "Revolution" do you speak of? The Beatles should have stuck to what they do best, and that's ripping off the King.

[Guest goodhelmet]

MUSICAL REVOLUTION!!! ever heard of sgt. pepper? revolver? rubber soul? abbey road? the white album?

 

care to offer proof of ripping off the king or are you just another poster with absolutely nothing to say, wasting dames' bandwidth?

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Not to mention that the Beatles' early stuff is just fantastic pop, doing exactly what all pop should do. Hard Day's Night is awesome.

[Guest Polish_Rifle]

overrated = Eminem

 

The Iceman had better rhymes and dance moves!

[Guest Anorak]

that is the difference between the songwriting of the clash and costello vs. the critical darlings of radiohead. the formers' songs remain relevant while radiohead will cease to be relevant 20 years from now. the groundhogs or hedgehoppers anonymousof their generation

I think Radiohead will be remembered as a great band in years to come. The one thing against them is that I agree only two of their albums could really be considered classics. Where they fail to measure up to Elvis Costello I just don't know, people on this board have a weird fetish for him. A couple of later Beatles albums are slightly overated in my view but not overly so.

Edited May 6, 2003 by Anorak

[Guest Anorak]

Not to mention that the Beatles' early stuff is just fantastic pop, doing exactly what all pop should do. Hard Day's Night is awesome.

I'd reach for an early Beatles record before any post-Rubber Soul stuff most of the time. It just captures a certain time and place, even though its more obviously influenced by 50's US rock'n'roll (e.g.. more covers as well) it somehow just sounds kind of British in the way The Kinks stuff did.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I got real sick of all the Rage Against The Machine hype years back. I didn't think they were anything special

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I think if RATM had stayed around any longer they would have gotten VERY old, VERY quickly. That's why what I've heard of audioslave has just been a bit 'ehhh' to me. But the first album should be remembered.

[Guest redbaron51]

Judas Priest redefined metal?!?

 

THEY KILLED THE NEW WAVE OF BRITISH HEAVY METAL IF ANYTHING!!!!

 

Mick Mars is an under-rated guitarist.

 

For the Beatles...really the early years, was just a pop act that got popular and bands started to tail gate them (the Who being one of them).

 

Led Zeppelin is amazing, but if Jimmy Page dubs and re-dubs to make that "Zeppelin" feel...then I don't see him as a great guitarist. Heck half of Zeppelin songs are love songs and half are stoner songs.

[Guest 5_moves_of_doom]

I love the Beatles simply because of their versatility and wide-range of sound as they progressed over the years, and there's no doubt that they had a huge influence on pretty much everything after them.

 

 

As for Nirvana, there's no doubt that they took pretty much every shred of their music from someone else, namely the Pixies (who aren't overrated at all I'd think, because 1. they're fucking awesome in every way and 2. I can only count the people that I know who know who the fuck they are on one hand, and three of those people got into them because of me.)

 

As far as I'm concerned, that certain sound has pretty much been:

The Velvet Underground --> The Pixies --> Nirvana --> Pretty Much Everything Else These Days,

and it really has deteriorated over the years.

 

Nirvana produced good enough music, and Kurt's presence would blow anyone away, but the fact is that they're overrated due to all of the people worshipping them as Gods when they stole most of their sound from earlier, and much much better, bands.

 

 

The Chili Peppers are a bit redundant, repetitive, and formulaic now, but their early stuff is ALL completely fucking awesome, and UNDERRATED, if you ask me.

 

 

RATM was getting old indeed, but what I'll always love about them is that they had a gimmick, but it was a gimmick that they really BELIEVED in. They don't just sing about stuff; they actually act on it, too, as anyone who knows anything about them would know. If it's a gimmick, then all I care about is if the gimmick is REAL. AWK has a party-all-day-gimmick, but as far as I can tell, he actually does feel that way, and though his music isn't mind-blowing or awesome, it's entertaining. I always have him up there with KISS and the Beastie Boys in the "music that in all aspects really isn't that good, but you just want to listen to it anyway."

 

 

As for actual overrated stuff in MY opinion... a lot of the White Stripes and Vines shit is what I despise, and I suppose the Hives would be in that category too, but I don't find them all that bad. Another band out there that I just can't stand, is Something Corporate. I suppose they're not the worst, most poser-esque stuff out there, and "Konstantine" really isn't all that bad, but I hang out with a lot of girls who think that they've invented this new alternative piano rock genre or something, and that they're pretty much the Gods of music. Fuck that. Lesse... aside from that there's all the obvious stuff, most of which is Mall Punk (Good Charlotte, etc.)... and all the teeny-bopper stuff... the list goes on and on.

 

 

Tool's overrated, but overrated in a "they're great but people say they're Gods" way. Their rhythem/beat is unbeatable in a way, but their guitar isn't too strong, and a lot of their songs seem to be 13-minute "look it's an epic! it has to be good!" crap, with various exceptions.

 

 

Oh, and one last band that I'd like the mention is the Sex Pistols. Sid Vicious is an icon, and they were indeed in the same influencal group as the Clash and some others... but are they really all that good? Not really, I'd say. One of those bands that rules, but "just because they're the Sex Pistols, maaaan!" ...Like Iron Butterfly, or something.

 

 

Eh, covered a lot of stuff... might remember a few more names later, but this has already gone too long. Oh, and Pink Floyd is justice and rule. That is all.

[Guest redbaron51]

Length of song should not detirmine the quality of the song. I agree that Adam Jones isn't the greatest guitarist, but the whole band is just Amazing.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Yeah. I think Jones is the "weak" link in the Tool ensemble, but that's just because he's in a band with Justin Chancellor and Danny frickin' Carey. As a band I'd argue they gel better than any other hard rock act working today, and maybe rock act in general. I really can't wait to see what happens when they decide to put out a new album.

 

I've had trouble getting into The Who myself. I dig most of Who's Next and enjoy Live at Leeds, but those are the only two records of theirs I've got. They're not a band that compels me to dive much deeper into their catalogue for whatever; I think a lot of the music is just a bit too ponderous to consistently engage me.

 

Or it could just be because I've seen Roger Daltrey riding a 10-foot long papier-mache penis in the movie Lisztomania. Highly recommended viewing, by the by.

[Guest 5_moves_of_doom]

Length of song should not detirmine the quality of the song. I agree that Adam Jones isn't the greatest guitarist, but the whole band is just Amazing.

Again, I *did* say that Tool was great, it's just that two or three of my friends list them as the greatest band of all time, and I always think "well that's because you're a bassist (or drummer in one case)"...

 

And length doesn't matter, I agree. I can enjoy anything from the 19:16 "Scandalous (Long Version)" by Prince and the 17:02 "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" by Iron Butterfly to the 00:58 "Fix Me" by Black Flag and the 1:23 "Judy Is a Punk" by the Ramones. But when a song seems to be long just for the sake of being long, then... well, it's just tedious. I've heard a few Tool songs that are about ten minutes long, where only about 4 minutes of it is all that good.

 

Again, they're a great band, but a lot of their fans seem to just listen to their songs and go "man, this is great, because it's epic!!" or something... it's hard to explain, so I won't really try to ellaborate.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I didn't read the whole thread...

 

so I'll just say that Nirvana is overrated to hell...and anyone who said Guns N Roses is wrong.

 

*goes back to doing nothing*

[Mrnoitaull 0]

The whole Rocafella family

Awww...come on. You know you love Freeway. Admit it!

 

 

I think 50 Cent is kinda overrated.

Freeway is pretty much the only one holding up Roc's rep now that Jay's settlin down. and yeah 50 is overated . His fame has already started to fade.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

What the fuck is with all of the Beatles, Aerosmith, and Rolling stones love?! I can't see why anyone likes any of these bands, they suck horribly, I'd rather listen to Limp Bizkit than this crap!

Aerosmith I agree with completely, other than that you are stupid and have no taste. The Beatles hit pop music like a fucking atomic bomb, changing everything in their wake, from modern radio pap to playing a part in the creation of Black Sabbath. No other band of the era took as many chances, and did so many things differently. Hell, I'm not even into the band that much in terms of a fan, but they did more with Rubber Soul than 99% of bands do in their careers.

 

Next point:

 

 

But when a song seems to be long just for the sake of being long, then... well, it's just tedious

 

...CoughDREAMTHEATERCough...

 

Yes I did say it. These guys are so fucking overrated that it's unbelievable. Then again, I've only heard Awake in its entirety, along with a few other tracks. I am taking NOTHING away from the pure musicianship these guys possess. Everyone in the band is a FANTASTIC technical master, but they get old to me so fast, the songs just keep going...and going...and going..until I'm left saying "Ok, I know you can do solos..I GET IT ALREADY." The lyrics are also a second-rate Neal Peart composition, both in quality and content. The albums are too glossy, too. It's more classical music than rock, in a way, and I'm not into that at all.

[Guest Anorak]

They may be 25 years past their sell by date but Aerosmith's first 4 albums are great. 'Rocks' is a proper rock'n'roll album.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I Don't Want To Miss A Thing completely nullifies everything they previously did.

[Guest godthedog]

What the fuck is with all of the Beatles, Aerosmith, and Rolling stones love?! I can't see why anyone likes any of these bands, they suck horribly, I'd rather listen to Limp Bizkit than this crap!

there is but one way and one way only to respond to this:

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

oh god, my sides hurt...

[Guest redbaron51]

More Who albums I recommend:

 

Tommy

Quadrophinia

Who By Numbers (tremendous album)

Who Are You.

 

And which Live at Leeds do you have, the original with 5 songs listed, a bagie colour, or the double disc Live at Leeds...

[Guest mesepher]

the WHO can best be compared to a grizzly bear:

when you listen to the WHO on a studio album, it's like seeing a grizzly bear at the zoo... for the most part, its a tame beast that might growl once in a blue moon

 

but when you see the grizzly bear in the wild, in its environment, that is when you can fully appreciate the awesomeness of it... same goes for seeing the WHO in concert

 

Townshend simply shreds in concert, and Daltrey sounds great (despite what the general public seems to think)

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Aerosmith hasn't put out a good album front to back since Pump.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

KISS paved the way for Rock N' Roll

Uh no, Kiss didn't pave the way for Rock N Roll, because Rock N Roll had already existed for a little over two decades when Kiss came around.

 

Along with Van Halen and Aerosmith they would go on to influence alot of the so called "Hair Metal" bands however, which I think is what your talking about. Kiss themselves would also go the way of Metal.

 

But the pioneers of American Glam Rock were the Alice Cooper Band, N.Y. Dolls, and bands like that. Hell, you could make a good case for Little Richard too.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

True overrated bands/artist. Not for talent but for what some "Experts" say are the leaders and fathers to and some other shit....

 

New Kids on the Block. They were just a boy band. Not even the first one of its time. Hell their first album came out durring New Edition's 5 album. They formed because Murrice Star lost New Edition. So NKOTB are not the fathers of boy bands.

 

Nirvana is another one. the whole "non mainstream" rock movement is around since 1975. Ramones were like the kings of that.

 

Notorious BIG: I know I could get flammed for this one but, he only had 3 CDs. One durring his lifetime. He is a Cobain/Hendrix of rap music. But I can't call him the Greatest of all time. Simply because I found some other artist better than him. LL and Jay Z I would rank higher. He was good, but not the greatest.

 

I would rank post Bon Jovi hair bands as overrated. Once the formula of 2 hits and out came into play. It was just crap. hairspray and spandex. Then a hard rock song about sex. Then a fucking love song and boom, career was over.

 

Metallica is another group in the overated department. They are great. They have a cult following. They aren't as good as they were in the 80s. But they aren't the kings of Metal. Hell, you could give that to Slayer. Right now, they are just another group trying to keep a career going when retirement would be better for the long run(Madonna, I am looking at YOU right now).

 

Elvis, he is NOT the king of Rock n Roll. He nowhere near that. Elvis had some good songs back when he began but to call him the king of Rock n Roll is a joke. Lets see: he steals the sound of black arist and gets credit for it. He covers black songs and gets credit for it. He is the first major white arist so they can say Rock N Roll isn't RnB and thats why he gets this blowjob of a lifetime. Elvis was great, but he isn't the greatest.

 

Now a group of artist/bands that if you call them overrated then you aren't a fan of their genre of music/or music in general.

The Beatles.

Eminem

Run DMC

Rolling Stones

Aerosmith

50 Cent

Tupac

Kiss

Michael Jackon

Prince

Hendrix

Slayer

Jackson 5

Phil Collins

Whitney Houston

Madonna

DMB

Janet

James Brown

Stevie Wonder

Marvin Gaye

fuck, there are just too many to name.