Most painful looking WWF/E submission?

[Guest Army Eye]

Wow, glad to see the Cross-face Chicken Wing love. That is a great submission. Bret sure did sell it awesomely too. Backlund locking Bret in the CFCW and Owen getting Helen to throw in the towel is one of my all-time favorite bookings.

 

My favorite current ones are the Haas of Pain and the Indian Deathlock. I still mark for the ol' Figure-Four too.

 

Worst current submissions are Angle's anklelock, Benoit's crossface which he blows at least half the time now, and of course Rock's "Salad Shooter"

[Guest Ray]

C'mon guys, how could you forget the awesomeness of the Steiner Recliner?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Hass Of Pain gets my vote.

[Guest Eric the Eagle]

A little off topic here but does anyone know why wrestlers seem to work the wrong leg (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm real tired right now) in preparation for a figure 4? The straight leg is the one that hurts. Is it just because it probably appears more to the audience that the other leg is more likely to be in pain?

Two reasons, I would imagine.

 

First and foremost, when you are working left-based, you pretty much instinctively grab hold and bend the left leg. From personal experience, trying to apply the Figure Four with the left leg straight is really awkward. All your training says that you're bending the wrong leg.

 

Second, if you don't stop to think about it, to the average idiot it would follow naturally that the leg you are bending and actually applying the pressure to is the one that gets hurt.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

My cousin nearly broke my back with the Texas Cloverleaf and God Knows how I have a neck after that Crippler Crossface a few years back. Sheesh.

[AmericanDragon 0]

BDC, American Dragon doesn't do the Dragon Clutch, Low Ki does it. American Dragon's main sub is the Cattle Mutilation.

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[Mrnoitaull 0]

When Benoit wants to be a dickhead and really wrenches back on the crossface I can almost feel my own neck snapping.

Yeah I know he gets caught in the moment!! Damn adrenaline rushes!

[Guest Kid Kablam]

A little off topic here but does anyone know why wrestlers seem to work the wrong leg (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm real tired right now)  in preparation for a figure 4? The straight leg is the one that hurts. Is it just because it probably appears more to the audience that the other leg is more likely to be in pain?

Two reasons, I would imagine.

 

First and foremost, when you are working left-based, you pretty much instinctively grab hold and bend the left leg. From personal experience, trying to apply the Figure Four with the left leg straight is really awkward. All your training says that you're bending the wrong leg.

 

Second, if you don't stop to think about it, to the average idiot it would follow naturally that the leg you are bending and actually applying the pressure to is the one that gets hurt.

Actually, it is the bent leg that gets sold. Think about it, when you hook in the figure four, which leg do you manipulate. And I don't just mena bend, I mean manipulate, because when you apply the figure four, your twist the bent leg around before going down.

[Guest wildpegasus]

I've been in the figure 4 before. It's the staight leg that really hurts below the knee. Wrestlers usually work on the left leg which is the way they're taught but if you pick up the left leg initially when you're going to put on the leglock the right leg will be the staight one. Look at it this way. A cross arm breaker works by putting the elbow past 180 degrees. You can do a leg bar? (I can't think of the right name) by pushing your hips forward around the thigh are and pulling the calf area back towards you. This is the same posistion your straight leg is put in during a figure 4. The back of your leg is getting forced beyond 180 degrees. I guess the actual reason it's put on the way it is must be that wrestlers are just so used to working on the left side.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

I've been in the figure 4 before. It's the staight leg that really hurts below the knee. Wrestlers usually work on the left leg which is the way they're taught but if you pick up the left leg initially when you're going to put on the leglock the right leg will be the staight one. Look at it this way. A cross arm breaker works by putting the elbow past 180 degrees. You can do a leg bar? (I can't think of the right name) by pushing your hips forward around the thigh are and pulling the calf area back towards you. This is the same posistion your straight leg is put in during a figure 4. The back of your leg is getting forced beyond 180 degrees. I guess the actual reason it's put on the way it is must be that wrestlers are just so used to working on the left side.

Who put you in the hold? Let's just say that someone putting the hold on incorrectly could easily focus on the straight leg.

[Guest notJames]

Noble's Trailer Hitch.

 

When he's got everything hooked up and he starts pushing into it with his foot, it looks like he could snap the guys shin in two. It probably doesn't hurt so much in real life, but it is painful looking.

[Guest Eric the Eagle]

You do twist the left knee - much like good ol' Terry Funk's spinning Toehold. Once the figure Four is applied, however, the pressure point is where the victim's legs meet (and/or on the ankle of the left leg, if apllied a bit differently.).

 

Basically, it works the left leg during application, and the right after application.

 

Oh yeah, and it hurts like hell if you apply force...

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

A little off topic here but does anyone know why wrestlers seem to work the wrong leg (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm real tired right now) in preparation for a figure 4? The straight leg is the one that hurts. Is it just because it probably appears more to the audience that the other leg is more likely to be in pain?

because wrestlers are always taught to work the left leg. They always do it except when wrestling in Mexico or Lucha Libre because they work the right there......

[Guest AndrewTS]

Haas of Pain.

 

Also, someone mentioned Bull Nakano, who used A Camel Clutch/Sharpshooter combination as well.

[Guest Goodear]

Not to completely spoog over A-Train or anything but that wheelbarrow chinlock thing and the inverted full nelson backbreaker he put on Benout got serious "OW!" out of me.

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

Cross Face Chickenwing does own all, I had the privilege of having Bob Backlund put it on me in the middle of a busy airport, too bad I was too young to realize I should have sold it.

 

My personal favorite is the STF just because it looks so freakin cool.

[Guest Dangerous A]

I totally forgot about the STF, my main man Chono's signature move!

 

STF!STF!STF!STF!STF!STF!STF!STF!STF!

[Guest Anglesault]

Moves that I did to people: Liontamer looks the best, apprently Figue Four hurts the most. (BTW, I actually can't get myself to do left leg straight)

 

Also, the Figure 4 is one of those moves that grabing something above you actually does help.

[Guest Vyce]

To me, the crossface chicken wing is the only reason Backlund's heel turn worked out.

 

There was just something sadistic about the way he would cup his opponents chin in his one hand while trying to break their arm with the other...and then flailing them about before droping them into an unescapable clinch.

 

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Or maybe that's just me.

I remember seeing Backlund put Hart in the crossface, and LOCK the hands together. It looked unbelievably painful. I thought he damn well pulled Hart's shoulder out of its socket.

[Guest Nevermortal]

[Guest wildpegasus]

I forgot to mention the crossface chicken wing. This seems to be the winner. For appearance purposes this does look the most painful in the WWE. Bret Hart took this move like a king!

[Guest Polish_Rifle]

Haas of Pain

[Guest Anglesault]

One thing I've always wondered: If I'm doing the Figure Four, it shouldn't be bothering my knee, right?

[Guest Choken One]

The Crossface respectfully deserves the admiration it has gotten...

 

Other Notables include...

 

Hart Family Sharpshooter

Walls of Lion Tamers

Haas of Pain

Figure Four Lock (regardless of it's done right or not)

Crippler Crossface

 

Submission Moves I've Suffered before and lived to tell about it...

 

The Sharpshooter-My Best Friend does a AMAZING sharpshooter and almost equals The Harts in awesomeness.

 

Cross Face-This is the move I often try to break in if I am wrestling around with Buddies...I just lock my hands across the chin and snap back violently.

 

A Freaky Un-Named Move That some one MIGHT be able to help With-

 

I would be Laying down in a prone Position like I would be for a Sharpshooter...My friend would Grab My left Leg and bend down and lay it on his shoulder...and he would pop right up and would have me dangling...then he would drop me with my head under his legs and would arch back and cross my face one armed while crossing the leg on his shoulder...

 

What is this move called?

[Guest Choken One]

One thing I've always wondered: If I'm doing the Figure Four, it shouldn't be bothering my knee, right?

Not unless you were an idiot and put an Lock on your own leg...Which I am sure has been done on a few occasions from buffons...

[Guest Anglesault]

One thing I've always wondered: If I'm doing the Figure Four, it shouldn't be bothering my knee, right?

Not unless you were an idiot and put an Lock on your own leg...Which I am sure has been done on a few occasions from buffons...

Well, I have a bad knee and it hurts sometimes when bent a certain way or pressure is applied, so I just figured that the way I wrap my own legs creates a little pressure

[Guest CanadianChick]

The most painful looking submission in WWE today has to be the Haas of Pain. And the old-school Liontamer looked real painful to. Ah, memories...

[Guest HellSpawn]

Figure Four and Hart Family related's SharpShooter.

 

I do believe that the F4 really Is more painful for the extended leg, but I only saw one guy using the *right* leg. HHH at Armageddon 2002 over HBK. He actually made the move really fast.

 

*right* as correct leg, not as right/left.

[Guest swilk]

3 moves:

 

Camel Clutch: Old school Iron Sheik, not Scott Steiner. If applied properly, you aren't getting out. My sister put this on me, pinned my arms back and almost ripped my head off!

 

WCW Walls Of Jericho: Jericho putting all his weight on the opponent's neck and then putting his knee on the back of head for good measure.

 

Crippler Crossface: When applied right, Benoit will rip your head off. Lately though, he hasn't been locking the arm with his legs.

 

Rings of Saturn: When Saturn pull back on your free arm, you can feel your chest being ripped in half. A buddy of mine can attest to that.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Haas of Pain

The Boston Crab Benoit does when he's on his knees and the opponent is bent almost all the way around (ouch)

The Indian Dethlock (?) used by Triple H at WM 19

Bow & Arrow

[Guest William E]

I got a question about Benoit's crossface that use to bug me, but why did the crossface affect his opponents arm when he came back from his neck surgery when it was always intended to put pressure on his opponents neck? He then changed it back to its original purpose.