A-Train IS crap.

[Guest two_tuff_toddy]

Die Albert Die.

[Guest two_tuff_toddy]

Ok. Give me one good reason why Albert is not Crap and I'll renig my statement althoughI allready know it's not possible.

 

Bring it you hairy ape lovers.

[Guest Ray]

Do we really need TWO threads for A-Train?

[Guest two_tuff_toddy]

No but I didn't feel like reading all the other shit about him and if someone is going to make a thread as to why that piece of shit doesn't suck then you can damn well believe I'm going to start one for why he does.

 

I just want someone to give me a reason why he is supposedly good first so I can prove their statement wrong.

[Guest Coffey]

He works hard. You can't deny that. His working hard still might not be as good as other wrestlers, but you can still tell that when he is in the ring, he is trying to the best of his abilities. Sure, you might not be a fan of his abilities, but you can't really fault him for that.

 

He's a good person too. Not too many people are willing to work with sick children.

 

BTW: GB2lurking

[Guest Ray]

-Does power moves well

-Bumps hard

-Jobs willingly

-Can be carried

-Gets heat

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

He also has a pretty decent moveset, as far as the HOSSES go.

[Guest MideonMark]

-In the last 3 years, only Kurt Angle(and maybe Chris Jericho) has had a better singles match with Kane

 

-He works hard, I mean he could just be lazy knowing that no matter what he'll get push after push, but he tries at least

 

-His moveset is actually one of the best in the company

 

-He never has horrible, unwatchable matches, they're always pretty decent

[Murmuring Beast 0]

OK guys, you know my stance on this...

[Guest Downhome]

I'd much rather have Albert be in a top spot instead of TBS at the moment. Heck, I like both of them whey they are in shape and try, which is most of the time for Albert.

 

If TBS lost weight, and went to how he used to be, I'd be a huge fan of his again.

[Guest Coffey]

I just want someone to give me a reason why he is supposedly good first so I can prove their statement wrong.

You got about six people waiting for your amazing retort...

[Guest Ghettoman]

I agree with this guy!

 

Benoit sucks, because I say he sucks, and because I say that it means it's true.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

I think that A-Train needs to have a couple of 10 minute long ppv-style matches before we can pass judgement.

It's kind of a sham that he's a hoss because he will never be alowed to wrestle in the way that Angle does. I'm not saying that he's up to Angles standards, but at the moment he's stuck doing power moves and squashes.

[Guest JRE]

Why A-Train doesn't suck....and I quote this from Axxess:

 

(A-Train is in ring...Test comes over from autograph booth and pretends like he's a fan asking questions)

 

Test: Yeah....my name's Andrew Martin and I wanna know...How did it be feeled to be carried by Test in a tag team?

 

A-Train (With no hesitation): How does it feel to be carried by Kiebler right now?

 

Yeah, total zing to Test, that's why A-Train doesn't suck.

[Guest BobbyWhioux]

Test: Yeah....my name's Andrew Martin and I wanna know...How did it be feeled to be carried by Test in a tag team?

 

A-Train (With no hesitation): How does it feel to be carried by Kiebler right now?

 

Yeah, total zing to Test, that's why A-Train doesn't suck.

If only he were permitted to display such wit on Smackdown instead of being a "Me Hoss! Me SMASH!" character.

 

I wouldn't miss Albert if he never wrestled again. But I have no great animosity towards the guy. I think he's just placed so deep inside the Hoss Box that he'll never get much of a chance to individualize and stand out [in a positive manner; excessive back hair is NOT a positive individualizing trait] from the hoss crowd.

 

Wearing the black tights kneepads and boots ensemble like 52 other people on the WWE roster [Austin, Rock, Batista, Orton, Brock Lesnar, Chuck Palumbo, Nunzio, Johnny Stamboli, Big Slow, HHH until very recently, Albert, Maven, Rikishi, Chief Morely, STOP IT!] doesn't help either.

Being big just ISN'T ENOUGH, especially when there are a glut of other guys who are just being big.

 

Albert tries hard and does seem to try to mix up his moveset a little bit (seemingly a big no-no under the Five Pillars of WWE style) and I'd like to think that someday he'll be rewarded for that with a push THAT IS ACCOMPANIED BY BEING PACKAGED IN A WAY THAT HE IS ABLE TO GET AS OVER AS HE BOTH DESERVES AND POSSIBLY CAN (and let his individual personality shine as brightly as it can).

Personally I don't think he's all that great or there's too much of an upside to him, but if I'm wrong I hope he gets the chance to prove me wrong.

[Guest Mole]

If your name is A-Train, you suck. Nuff said.

[Guest buffybeast]

Why A-Train doesn't suck....and I quote this from Axxess:

 

(A-Train is in ring...Test comes over from autograph booth and pretends like he's a fan asking questions)

 

Test: Yeah....my name's Andrew Martin and I wanna know...How did it be feeled to be carried by Test in a tag team?

 

A-Train (With no hesitation): How does it feel to be carried by Kiebler right now?

 

Yeah, total zing to Test, that's why A-Train doesn't suck.

What was Test's comeback to that statement?

[Guest Army Eye]

I'll be Ghettoman

 

You guys can't give any reason why Albert sucks!

 

<several people give about 18 legitimate reason>

 

You only hate him because he's big! Typical smarks!

[Guest CanadianChris]

Why A-Train doesn't suck....and I quote this from Axxess:

 

(A-Train is in ring...Test comes over from autograph booth and pretends like he's a fan asking questions)

 

Test: Yeah....my name's Andrew Martin and I wanna know...How did it be feeled to be carried by Test in a tag team?

 

A-Train (With no hesitation): How does it feel to be carried by Kiebler right now?

 

Yeah, total zing to Test, that's why A-Train doesn't suck.

What was Test's comeback to that statement?

Um, it's TEST we're talking about. I'd be amazed if it was anything more than, "Yeah? Well, YOU SUCK!"

[Guest JRE]

Why A-Train doesn't suck....and I quote this from Axxess:

 

(A-Train is in ring...Test comes over from autograph booth and pretends like he's a fan asking questions)

 

Test: Yeah....my name's Andrew Martin and I wanna know...How did it be feeled to be carried by Test in a tag team?

 

A-Train (With no hesitation): How does it feel to be carried by Kiebler right now?

 

Yeah, total zing to Test, that's why A-Train doesn't suck.

What was Test's comeback to that statement?

Some lame, overused "yo mama" line about Test's back hurting. Yep, Test totally had nothing. When Test did his in-ring Q&A he was bumbling all over the place too- someone asked why his No Way Out match was cancelled- Stacy seemed to be provoking him to reveal the true reason....Test just bumbled around with "Um...well, ya know...me and Stace...well....things just didn't work out." Gaha, good old Test....trying to keep his job while Stacy acts like an idiot.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

Actually, I've never really hated Albert. He's not half bad in the ring, and I think the problem of his is that he's been molded into the typical hossory that the WWE is known for giving men of his size and stature. And every other reason given above.

 

I just think the problem is though, you can get any other wrestler of the hossory to get the push. Although, I'd agree with Downhome. If I had to put up with a hossory wrestler (excepting Lesnar due to he's a little more than brawler than hossory), I'd prefer Albert over the rest of them, as he at least puts his heart into it.

[Guest JDMattitudeV1]

On a side note I got the Rey DVD yesterday and they spent the first 15 minutes (at least it seemed like that) talking about Albert/A-Train , must have been edited by JR or something. Otherwise a great DVD though.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

I get the impression that the guy is respected backstage. No-longer is he the ex-footballer who hangs around with other folk. He's on his own, baby!

[Guest Ghettoman]

I'll be Ghettoman

 

You guys can't give any reason why Albert sucks!

 

<several people give about 18 legitimate reason>

 

You only hate him because he's big! Typical smarks!

 

Hey now, I don't consider a damn one of you smarks.

[Guest Thunder Rising!!!]

No but I didn't feel like reading all the other shit about him and if someone is going to make a thread as to why that piece of shit doesn't suck then you can damn well believe I'm going to start one for why he does.

 

I just want someone to give me a reason why he is supposedly good first so I can prove their statement wrong.

Ever notice those who say he sucks has no VALID point to make other than hating him because he is a hoss??? Give me VALID reasons why A-Train sucks other than his lack of charisma.

 

 

I'm not spreading A-Train love here but I'm just trying to give him more credit than some people might give.

[Guest two_tuff_toddy]

"He works hard. You can't deny that. His working hard still might not be as good as other wrestlers, but you can still tell that when he is in the ring, he is trying to the best of his abilities. Sure, you might not be a fan of his abilities, but you can't really fault him for that.

 

He's a good person too. Not too many people are willing to work with sick children."

 

What does that have to do with him being good? He tries hard. So what. I could go in there in bust my ass but I would still suck. Just because you try hard doesn't mean you have talent as a wrestler. Same goes for being a good person. I respect him at least for working given the circumstances but you can't sy that his work is good just because of those circumstances.

 

"-Does power moves well

-Bumps hard

-Jobs willingly

-Can be carried

-Gets heat "

 

Does power moves well - Does generic power moves that any man of his size and limited athletic ability can do just as well plus he has no idea of how to work them into a match properly.

 

Bumps hard - Any jobber in wrestling can and usually does bump just as hard if not a hell of a lot harder without the recognition or overpush that Albert routinely gets.

 

Jobs willingly - He has to. It's not like he's in a position where he can say when he doesn't want to job. Besides, he actually wins a hell of a lot more than he loses anyways.

 

Can be carried - This I totally disagree with. I have never seen a good singles match with him. I don't count a pointless *-*1/2 3-minute affair on Smackdown either and he vary rarely even has one of those. Just about any trained wrestler with a few years experience can go on Smackdown with Benoit,Edge,Rey, etc. and have a match equal to the quality of the ones with Albert.

 

Gets heat - I think you don't understand this term properly. Getting heat means to piss of the fans by being a good heel and doing dickish things to make them hate you. Albert gets booed because he sucks and people don't want to see him on tv.

See X-Pac Circa:2000-2001

 

"He also has a pretty decent moveset, as far as the HOSSES go."

 

I agree with this statement. He does have a good moveset as far as HOSSES go but considering that, other than a select few, all HOSSES movesets suck that doesn't make his anything special and it's not. For the most part they are just generic power moves that most other hosses didn't use that much which is why they probably seem good to you.

Also, he has no idea when to use them in a match most of the time to make any sense so it doesn't matter how good they are. You could have the best moveset in the world but if you can't work them into a match properly then they are basically worthless.

 

"-In the last 3 years, only Kurt Angle(and maybe Chris Jericho) has had a better singles match with Kane"

 

So he had a * match with Kane at some point that didn't matter. Congratulations.

 

-"He works hard, I mean he could just be lazy knowing that no matter what he'll get push after push, but he tries at least"

 

See above.

 

"-His moveset is actually one of the best in the company"

If slightly original and generic power moves is your thing than good for you. I think I'll pass.

 

"-He never has horrible, unwatchable matches, they're always pretty decent"

 

WHATEVER. I think you should talk to a doctor because it sound like you have a bad case of amnesia.

 

"I'd much rather have Albert be in a top spot instead of TBS at the moment. Heck, I like both of them whey they are in shape and try, which is most of the time for Albert."

 

I guess if I had to pick one I would pick the lesser of two evils and go with Albert but if it was up to me I would just as soon have neither one on the roster as they contribute nothing to the show and make them no money.

 

"You got about six people waiting for your amazing retort..."

 

I never said it would be amazing, I just said I would have one.

 

I agree with this guy!

 

"Benoit sucks, because I say he sucks, and because I say that it means it's true. "

 

Why thank you for seeing it my way. Of couse, If you were to say he is good that means he is RIGHT?

 

"Why A-Train doesn't suck....and I quote this from Axxess:

 

(A-Train is in ring...Test comes over from autograph booth and pretends like he's a fan asking questions)

 

Test: Yeah....my name's Andrew Martin and I wanna know...How did it be feeled to be carried by Test in a tag team?

 

A-Train (With no hesitation): How does it feel to be carried by Kiebler right now?

 

Yeah, total zing to Test, that's why A-Train doesn't suck"

 

I must be retarded or something but I still don't see how this makes Albert a good wrestler. However, making fun of Test is never a bad thing.

 

"If your name is A-Train, you suck. Nuff said."

 

Not necessarily but I have never seen a good one.

 

"I just think the problem is though, you can get any other wrestler of the hossory to get the push. Although, I'd agree with Downhome. If I had to put up with a hossory wrestler (excepting Lesnar due to he's a little more than brawler than hossory), I'd prefer Albert over the rest of them, as he at least puts his heart into it."

 

We really don't have a choice as we have to put up with them if we want to or not. If you did have a choice though why would you want to PUT UP with any of them? Don't you want to watch wrestlers who you enjoy and not ones you have to PUT UP with?

 

"Ever notice those who say he sucks has no VALID point to make other than hating him because he is a hoss??? Give me VALID reasons why A-Train sucks other than his lack of charisma."

 

I have no problem with him being a hoss. I happen to like some hosses. As far as a lack of charisma, I think that is quite a big problem in the charisma driven world that is known as WWE. And for reasons why he is not a GOOD WRESTLER I think I gave some good ones above and from the little I read in the previous thread there were other good ones in there as well. Either you can't read or you don't agree with them.

 

"I'm not spreading A-Train love here but I'm just trying to give him more credit than some people might give."

 

I'll give credit where credit is do. He is a nice guy and tries despite the fact he sucks. That is the best thing I can say about him.

[Guest Ghettoman]

Does power moves well - Does generic power moves that any man of his size and limited athletic ability can do just as well plus he has no idea of how to work them into a match properly.

 

Undertaker, Nash, Big Show, Jones, Kane all men of his size or close with limited athletic ability, your gonna tell me all of them could pull off his moveset just as good? Your comment about him not working them into a match properly is bogus considering every chance he gets he incorporates a back storyline into his matches. Good try though.

 

Bumps hard - Any jobber in wrestling can and usually does bump just as hard if not a hell of a lot harder without the recognition or overpush that Albert routinely gets.

 

Who? Raw jobbers like Spike and Lance? Lance isn't a better bumper, especially considering the size difference. Spike's job is solely bumping. Should Hurricane go to Smackdown and be put against all the psuedo-main event hosses? Does that make any sense? Not many big men in the WWE bump there asses off on a routinely basis, it's an obvious plus. And please, do tell, when has Albert ever been over-pushed aside from your own biased little fantasy world. When your done just go on about how Triple H is under-used....

 

Jobs willingly - He has to. It's not like he's in a position where he can say when he doesn't want to job. Besides, he actually wins a hell of a lot more than he loses anyways.

 

In matches that mean absolutely nothing, 3/4ths of his wins have come on Velocity or in dark matches, he hasn't gotten any kind of significant victory over a upper-midcard to main event Smackdown guy.

 

And yeah he has to job, but he doesn't have to work his ass off doing it like some guys don't, but he does, and thats a plus when you've got shit workers littering the fed.

 

Can be carried - This I totally disagree with. I have never seen a good singles match with him. I don't count a pointless *-*1/2 3-minute affair on Smackdown either and he vary rarely even has one of those. Just about any trained wrestler with a few years experience can go on Smackdown with Benoit,Edge,Rey, etc. and have a match equal to the quality of the ones with Albert.

 

Thats total bullshit because it's already been disproven. Alberts had better matches with Benoit than Nunzio, a trained wrestler with a few years experience, Matt Hardy, also a trained wrestler, although I don't rank Albert above Matt it's just killing your point, with a few years experience, and even Rhyno....who's a trained wrestler with a few years experience...incase you were wondering. Your completely jaded on your opinion so your rating is worthless, although anyone who expects *****'s on Smackdown should be slapped.

 

Gets heat - I think you don't understand this term properly. Getting heat means to piss of the fans by being a good heel and doing dickish things to make them hate you. Albert gets booed because he sucks and people don't want to see him on tv.

See X-Pac Circa:2000-2001

 

Your the spokesperson for every single fan thats ever gone to a WWE event and booed Albert?! Wow, hows it feel to speak for so many, many people? I mean knowing the mindset of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of booing fans must really be a treat. Can I offer you some ignorance? Oh whats that you already have some, ok....let me know when you run out, I'm gonna be running around the world.

 

For the most part they are just generic power moves that most other hosses didn't use that much which is why they probably seem good to you.

Also, he has no idea when to use them in a match most of the time to make any sense so it doesn't matter how good they are. You could have the best moveset in the world but if you can't work them into a match properly then they are basically worthless.

 

Someone hasn't been watching his matches, oddly enough its the same guy who's his biggest critic!

 

Alberts working the back every chance he gets and his moveset when gone past two moves is perfect build for his finish. From the submission backbreaker, to the train-wreck, to the slingshot crossface slam, to the baldo bomb, to his basic striking and brawling work, its all a compliment to the finish. Either your blind, stupid, or both.

 

So he had a * match with Kane at some point that didn't matter. Congratulations.

 

Says the man who wouldn't give Albert ***'s if he outshined Misawa in his prime.

 

WHATEVER. I think you should talk to a doctor because it sound like you have a bad case of amnesia.

 

OPINION. Hell you can't even back yours with any kind of point so why should anyone take you seriously when bashing theres? I think you have a case of being a dumbass.

 

We really don't have a choice as we have to put up with them if we want to or not. If you did have a choice though why would you want to PUT UP with any of them? Don't you want to watch wrestlers who you enjoy and not ones you have to PUT UP with?

 

DONT WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW. Although by the way you've discredited his ring work I really don't think you have....

 

I have no problem with him being a hoss. I happen to like some hosses. As far as a lack of charisma, I think that is quite a big problem in the charisma driven world that is known as WWE. And for reasons why he is not a GOOD WRESTLER I think I gave some good ones above and from the little I read in the previous thread there were other good ones in there as well. Either you can't read or you don't agree with them.

 

What lack of charisma? He's one of the most charismatic hosses there is when it comes to the ring. What has he done wrong on the mic? His work with Cena on the botched F-5 was great, his backstage stuff with Big Show and others is never great like Jericho or Rock but to suggest its below par is just dumb. And those reasons sucked by the by...

 

 

So yeah, your entire arguement sucks.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

Fucking awesome, Ghettoman. Albert is the next big surprise in wrestling and I'm going to be there when all the fuckers like Scott Keith and his generic Canada-Loving followers have to sit up and take notice of this guy.

 

Fuck the doubters.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

As far as A-Train's in-ring work, I don't mind him that much. Hell, I'm a Hulk Hogan Mark AND was a fan of Ahmed Johnson when he was around. Maybe it's because I started watching in mid-1994 I don't mind that much.

 

What I DO mind, however, is that he shows his chest and back hair as much as possible. I'm just as hairy as A-Train, but I don't flaunt it like he does....which is why I hated him when he turned on Scotty 2 Hotty. Unless you're doing a revival of the George "The Animal" Steele gimmick (which for some perverse reason I'd like to see A-Train try that), either keep a shirt on or follow the crowd chant.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Good backup Ghettoman. I don't like two tuff toddy already because he went into the first thread and didn't add anything besides "he sucks" and then he started a new thread. Troll. Aside from that, it's obvious some of his bashers don't like him and they don't even know why. If they booked Train as the new Vader or even just gave him a push he might work out. I don't mind Train's look now at all but if fans are going to be ignorant he'll need to cover it up. That tight leather shirt he used to wear would be fine.