Brethart.com statement re: Shawn's comments on Raw

[The Robfather 0]

God damn! Will this crap ever die?

 

It wasn’t Bret who brought it up!

 

It was Vince and his writers! 20 minutes or so wasted to kill a hot crowd. All because Vince hates that Canadian wrestlers get face pops on Canada.

 

FUCK YOU VINCE!

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Seriously, this is quite possibly the worst debate on the SS97 incident I have ever read... and I have read A LOT of different debates...

[Guest The Czech Republic]

I love how they de-push Benoit in Canada and push Jacqueline in Texas. And by "love" I mean to say "don't fucking understand at all whatsoever."

[Guest Stunt Granny]

Guys, Bret WAS over it. Read his last 3 or 4 columns he was talking about possibly making an appearence or two for the WWF. THEY were the ones who brought it up and are ONCE AGAIN dragging Bret's name through the mud. Bret was merely responding to a stupid ass segment on RAW that dropped his name several time, I'd hope he'd have something to say. Bret did say some harsh thing after two or three years but that was more hatered about the company that accidently KILLED his brother not about being screwed.

[Guest HartFan86]

I'd love to post my opinions on this whole issue...but I think after 5 and a half years of hearing/reading about this stuff, I just get sick of it.

 

It sucks that it happened to my favorite wrestler...hell, it sucks it happened to my hero in life. It sucks that after this incident, his whole life went to hell. It's sad that he's probably the only wrester who's career ends on a shitty note. He didn't get to ride off in the sunset like most of the guys.

 

The whole thing sucks looking back on it, but you can only discuss it so many times without just losing intrest in it.

 

As much as Scott Keith isn't liked around here, I'd suggest you guys go read the end of his Survivor Series 1997 rants because it's the greatest analogy I've ever read. Honestly.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

I would but 411Mania is so freaking hard to navigate.

[Guest Anglesault]

I would but 411Mania is so freaking hard to navigate.

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[bobobrazil1984 0]

God damn! Will this crap ever die?

 

It wasn’t Bret who brought it up!

 

It was Vince and his writers! 20 minutes or so wasted to kill a hot crowd. All because Vince hates that Canadian wrestlers get face pops on Canada.

 

FUCK YOU VINCE!

Absolutely Right.

 

Fuck Vince and his lame stupid time wasting Montreal Screwjob angles. Grow up and get over it Vince.

[Guest JaKyL25]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bret LEAVING WWE in the first place as a FAVOR to Vince, to free up some cash?

 

Plus, as far as how the match was built and booked, it really DID look horrible for HBK to triumph over Bret in Canada, after putting Bret and the Hart Foundation through so much crap over the past year, ESPECIALLY considering that Bret was leaving and wouldn't be able to ever get a rematch. It would be somewhat akin to what was going on to WCW at the time with Sting vs. Hogan if Hogan had actually WON the match at Starrcade.

 

Add the creative control clause, and I feel that it's quite understandable why Bret didn't want to job to HBK in Canada.

 

Do I feel that Bret ideally should have been the bigger man about it and swallowed his pride? Of course. But I'm not going to say he was WRONG for not doing that.

 

True, I'm biased. Bret is, was, and always will be my favorite wrestler ever. He was literally my role model growing up, as I essentially based all of my personal philosophies on "What Would Bret Do?" from '91-'97. He made more of an impact on my moral character than anyone, including my parents, though I was already a good kid before I knew who Bret was, so they must have done something right previous to that.

 

Plus, I've always HATED Shawn Michael's character, except when he was Champ in '96 while Bret was gone. HATED HATED HATED HATED. Little prick got away with TOO MUCH SHIT. I think the only people who I mark-hated more were the nWo. And he STILL never gets any comeuppance either, besides the WMXIV match, which still bothers me. I mean, I always mark-hated Austin too, but at least Bret beat his ass in every match they had, and Vince continually screwed his ungrateful non-conforming ass over plenty of times (Yes, I cheered for Vince to crush Austin, even after S. Series '97. Don't ask me why.).

 

I hold no beef with Shawn anymore about Montreal, though. He DOES seem to sincerely have changed some since '98, and I felt his coming out about his prior knowledge that it was going to happen cut him off the hook a little.

 

I DO wish WWE would stop bringing it up, and I DO wish Bret would stop responding whenever it IS brought up. It's like unintentional troll-bait that he keeps biting, and it makes him look even worse.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Bret should have just feigned an injury then Shawn would have gotten his, Vince would have gotten fucked, and Bret wouldn't have had to go through all of that. Do some of you honestly think he'd leave with the title? I also wouldn't have jobbed to Shawn. Shawn ducked the job at WM 13, screwed up the main event, and caused it to get one of the lowest if not the lowest wrestlemania buyrate. Some company man.

 

About putting over the other guy on your way out, he could have easily dropped the title to Austin and cut to the chase. No need for Shawn to win as DX didn't get really popular until Shawn got injured.

 

It's also interesting how anytime Bret utters a single word it's considered whining.

[Adam 0]

I'm getting sick of all the Montreal stuff. Even though it was terrible, and it will probably never die, still, just bring it up every now and again.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

I love how some of you come here with you holier then thou attitude of "Bret was wrong and I* would have never done that." You have no idea of what you would have done. Not to sound like Taker or Triple H, but you never been in the ring or probably even worked 14 years in your life's. You don't know what was happening backstage. You don't know the pride and emotions that Bret was going through and what he was putting up with for the year in a half leading up to Survivor Series. I'm not saying Bret Hart was right or wrong. I think both parties were wrong, but don't say "I would have," because you never know what you would have done and you never will be in that position because you're just a bunch of fans on the Internet and NOT a worker.

 

Shut up.

[Guest The Old Me]

I love how some of you come here with you holier then thou attitude of "Bret was wrong and I* would have never done that." You have no idea of what you would have done. Not to sound like Taker or Triple H, but you never been in the ring or probably even worked 14 years in your life's. You don't know what was happening backstage. You don't know the pride and emotions that Bret was going through and what he was putting up with for the year in a half leading up to Survivor Series. I'm not saying Bret Hart was right or wrong. I think both parties were wrong, but don't say "I would have," because you never know what you would have done and you never will be in that position because you're just a bunch of fans on the Internet and NOT a worker.

 

Shut up.

OMG!! HHH is posting here! We are all little kids~!!!!11!!

 

In all seriousness, agreed.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Speaking of WWE not letting it die....

 

Daily Poll

Do you agree with Shawn Michaels? Does Montreal need to get over the 1997 Survivor Series?

 

Yes 55.94 %

No 44.05 %

[Guest Shanghai Kid]

Actually DX was very popular with Shawn in it.

 

The poll says it all.

[Guest JMA]

The poll says it all.

It's a very close poll.

[Guest wildpegasus]

The WWE polls are often rigged.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

All 3 guys are assholes, who only care about their own self interests. That should end this debate once in for all.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

If something that twisted took place, there would be many guys who knew about it in the back seeing how things get around backstage so fast. I'd be willing to bet that quite a few of the guys in the back would back up Bret and be on his side.

 

Doing something like that could have ended Vince, it would have been totally insane to do it.

Goldberg/WCW got away with it.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

The only reason it is still mentioned (a lot that is) is because Vince McMahon knows its something most fans will remember, and so he must make SOME KIND of refference to the Montreal Screwjob whenever they visit there!!

 

Hell, he even did it at SSeries 98 when Rock had Mankind in the sharpshooter, and Vince made the ring attendant to ring the bell.

 

Vince = needs to stop with booking around Bret Hart, when he's not even with the company, and on top of that, is retired.

 

One day though, Bret will appear again (Live) on WWE TV...its only a matter of time.

The weird thing is that Montreal shows give them a lot more shit than, say, Edmonton shows do.

 

Even Bret's home province doesn't give as much as a rat's ass about this as Montreal does. You wonder to yourself why Montreal fans keep coming to the shows when every show dwells about Survivor Series 97, but WWE can still put on a good show there (No Way Out wasn't horrible, and everyone forgot it was Montreal until the very end.)

 

I think in fact that the constant parading of the "screwjob" guarantees Vince a good-sized audience in Montreal. If the WWE turned itself on it's head every time it came through your town, wouldn't you go? Almost every Montreal show guarantees this weird out-of-the-blue moment where 1997 is suddently current and everyone marks out wondering, "Did that guy just shoot?"

 

I think Bret needs to stand up for himself before he has nothing and say "I'm not going to let Vince resurrecting the past get me anymore," but seeing that he and Vince has supposedly buried the hatchet, I doubt Bret really cares too much anymore what Vince does at Montreal shows, although I'm sure this week's program must have irked him because it involved Shawn.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

WWE, Vince and Shawn need to get over it just as much as Bret and Montreal.

 

It's really boring and embarrasing now.

[Guest Choken One]

Shawn is over it...

 

He's the only one that seems to moved on...

 

 

Bret and Vince buried a hacket but it really wasn't Montreal they buried...

 

Shawn and Bret will never meet unless it's at an Airport Conference Room with Armed Guards...

[Guest Choken One]

^Just to add...

 

You'd think by this time...EVENTULLY Shawn and Bret would bump into each other...

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Shawn was involved in yet another angle/interview concerning Montreal two days ago. Also he goes on TV and talks about it, and in nearly every interview I read he discusses it.

 

He never got over that fact that Bret beat his ass, either.

[Guest Choken One]

Mostly because OTHERS bring it up...and again He has to do what Vince says...

 

Sure, He can make like Hogan and Austin but HE doesn't even have THAT much clout.

[Guest Trivia247]

damn it people 6 years go by and a screwjob in order to take a belt from a leaving wrestler going to a rivial company is still such a slap in the face?

 

Bret Hart wasn't Bruno Sammartino...he wasn't leaving the company and retiring, he was leaving to get paid better at WCW (Though used far less and far worse than he was in WWF)

 

And geez why isn't anyone whining about the Chris Benoit Screwjob, when he won the World title for a day....and it was reversed because he and the rest of the A List wcw wrestlers left to go to WWF.

 

its the WWE way to keep turning the screws on the Montreal Incident to make sure people remember it and still have ill will towards it.

 

because this is after all just business and people selling out a arena just to chant you screwed Bret and ASSHOLE....is Still Selling out the arena and putting Money in McMahons pocket.

[Guest Choken One]

Because Benoit wasn't "SCREWED"...He knew he was getting the title and Left anyways but gave the title back...

 

Wasn't it I heard that the minute Benoit walked backstage Terry Taylor or Dillon took the belt away from him knowing that Benoit could very well run off with the title...(although His contract wouldn't expire until 2 weeks)

[chaosrage 0]

1. Choken One owned this entire thread on page 1.

 

2. Shawn really never said he apologized. What he said was he would always be sorry the situation HAD to happen. He followed that up by saying he was even more sorry that people in Montreal have no lives. How in the world did people interpret that to be an apology? That's about like saying "too bad" is an apology.

 

Michaels acted like he was about to in the beginning, but you know that's just the usual HBK swerve interview. He did the same thing when he pretended like he was going to retire the world title. I think the closest you'll ever get to hearing him say it is him saying that he doesn't know if he would do it again if he got a second chance.

 

3. Bret's a bitch. He was on his way out of a company struggling to stay alive and he wanted to retire the belt and go on to WCW as the undefeated WWF champion. It's not like he was ending his career. That might have been different. He despised Shawn, but so what? He was leaving! Everybody jobs on their way out.

 

Yet even if he wasn't leaving, the storyline was clearly calling for him to lose. Bret had come out on top the whole year. He beat Austin every chance he had, he won Canadian Stampede, he won the flag match on RAW, he won another one at the PPV, he beat the Patriot, he beat UT for the world title.

 

By November, the Canada/USA angle was dying down, and DX was the new hottest thing. Nobody cared about the flag match at Bad Blood, people cared about Hell in the Cell and Stone Cold. So wasn't it about fucking time for Canada to lose for once? Fuck bret.

[chaosrage 0]

Bret should have just feigned an injury then Shawn would have gotten his, Vince would have gotten fucked, and Bret wouldn't have had to go through all of that. Do some of you honestly think he'd leave with the title? I also wouldn't have jobbed to Shawn. Shawn ducked the job at WM 13, screwed up the main event, and caused it to get one of the lowest if not the lowest wrestlemania buyrate.  Some company man. 

 

Nobody KNOWS for a fact that he wasn't hurt. You can guess all you want, but thats all you're doing, guessing. Bret was even starting to believe Shawn until he came back early. Of course it couldn't have just healed fast or anything. It's shawn.

 

About putting over the other guy on your way out, he could have easily dropped the title to Austin and cut to the chase.

 

Yeah, he could've. But, austin was already becoming the biggest star since Hogan. It wouldn't have made any sense for him to win the title at anything but the biggest show with a ton of build up.

 

No need for Shawn to win as DX didn't get really popular until Shawn got injured.

 

Now that's a bunch of bullshit. They were heels, and Shawn easily replaced Bret as the #1 heel in the company. Something also made the ratings jump 2 points from September to March. It couldn't have been all Austin because he was just doing the same things he did all year long. Austin/McMahon hadn't started yet.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

3. Bret's a bitch. He was on his way out of a company struggling to stay alive and he wanted to retire the belt and go on to WCW as the undefeated WWF champion. It's not like he was ending his career. That might have been different. He despised Shawn, but so what? He was leaving! Everybody jobs on their way out.

 

Yet even if he wasn't leaving, the storyline was clearly calling for him to lose. Bret had come out on top the whole year. He beat Austin every chance he had, he won Canadian Stampede, he won the flag match on RAW, he won another one at the PPV, he beat the Patriot, he beat UT for the world title.

Bret offered to job the title ANYONE! but Shawn. Bret didn't show up one day saying "Fuck you Vince, I'm going to WCW and I'm taking the title with me". Vince was pretty much forcing him out of the company... and gave him the top title while doing it.

 

I've never read anywhere at anytime that Bret wanted to leave the company. He would've taken less money just to stay.

 

Vince must be an idiot if he decides to stick his top title on someone he's trying to force out of his own company. Pitting your heel champ in his final match against another heel? If that doesn't speak volumes about this guy's lack of common sense, I don't know what does.

 

I've come to the conclusion that Vince got incredibly lucky with the Mr. McMahon/Austin fued.

 

"bret had a stroke. So Shawn wins in life" - That's fucking hysterical.