Guest Vyce Report post Posted July 16, 2003 I'm with AS here. Benoit needs to go on a winning streak of Golbergian proportions before he's even ready to be considered a serious contender for the belt. I dislike the backstage politics in general, but as long as Kurt uses his powers for good (as one could argue that Austin did at one point, counteracting some of the shit you-know-who did), than I have little room to complain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Politics happen in all sorts of businesses and corporations and promotions. The phrase "It's not what you know, it's who you know" is and has always been very evident. As long as what Kurt is doing is not hindering the product in the short-term or long-term, then I guess he knows what he's doing, and it doesn't really affect me. Triple H has politically buried wrestlers who were considered the future of the company (Jericho, RVD) and is at the point in his career where he can't work very well, and thus keeping himself on the top (of Stephanie as well) of the show is a worse thing than Angle playing politics because he wants to see the right thing done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted July 16, 2003 now if only Benoit will follow suit.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 It wont take long to build up Benoit......have him go berserk one day on Smackdown and destroy everybody with chairs interrupting matches talking about how sick he is of being overlooked. Have him win matches for 3 straight weeks, followed up by a PPV win over Undertaker and you have yourself a legitimate world title contender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 16, 2003 It wont take long to build up Benoit......have him go berserk one day on Smackdown and destroy everybody with chairs interrupting matches talking about how sick he is of being overlooked. Have him win matches for 3 straight weeks, followed up by a PPV win over Undertaker and you have yourself a legitimate world title contender. Yeah, sure. The man that can't beat the FBI, can't beat Cena, can't beat SOH, can't beat Not Team Angle, can't beat Big Show will be a world title contender in a month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 It wont take long to build up Benoit......have him go berserk one day on Smackdown and destroy everybody with chairs interrupting matches talking about how sick he is of being overlooked. Have him win matches for 3 straight weeks, followed up by a PPV win over Undertaker and you have yourself a legitimate world title contender. Yeah, sure. The man that can't beat the FBI, can't beat Cena, can't beat SOH, can't beat Not Team Angle, can't beat Big Show will be a world title contender in a month. You swear that marks remember everything. He's lost to several guys lately.....so what? He can be built back up. Almost everyone goes through a losing streak including Jericho, Angle, Booker T, RVD, Kane.........You think none of those guys can be world title contenders? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 16, 2003 You swear that marks remember everything. He's lost to several guys lately.....so what? He's lost to EVERYONE. He has all he can handle in SHANNON MOORE AND THE BASHAM BROTHERS. Almost everyone goes through a losing streak including Jericho, Angle, Booker T, RVD, Kane.........You think none of those guys can be world title contenders? Only Angle. Maybe Kane. Jericho, Booker, RVD, never. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 You'e telling me that marks wouldnt beleive in Jericho, RVD, or Booker T winning a world championship?.........You need to open your eyes, clean your ears, and see just how over all 3 of these guys are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 16, 2003 HHH has shown MULTIPLE TIMES that they simply aren't good enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 HHH has shown MULTIPLE TIMES that they simply aren't good enough. And the fans didnt believe that RVD could win the World title a few weeks ago. They were eating out of RVD's hand. I think he Booker and Jericho would have no problem if they were World Champion. Now, it wont take Benoit a month....more like 2 0r 3...................Look at Big Show. He lost to fuckin Jeff Hardy and was a joke. 2 WEEKS later and he's a threat to Brock's title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 16, 2003 1: Marks don't remember meaningless stuff like Benoit's matches with SOH 2: Big Show was getting beat by Jeff Hardy, then beating Brock Lesnar within a month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 16, 2003 2: Big Show was getting beat by Jeff Hardy, then beating Brock Lesnar within a month. He lost to fuckin Jeff Hardy and was a joke. 2 WEEKS later and he's a threat to Brock's title. And they ALL think he's gonna win at Vengeance, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 2: Big Show was getting beat by Jeff Hardy, then beating Brock Lesnar within a month. He lost to fuckin Jeff Hardy and was a joke. 2 WEEKS later and he's a threat to Brock's title. And they ALL think he's gonna win at Vengeance, right? Perhaps you forgot that Big Show DID beat Brock for the title at Survivor Series. He was built up back then in less than a month and won the title. I'm not talking about NOW with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Anglesault and Triple R always overplay this "OMG *WRESTLER X* is DEAD" card all the time. But Benoit actually really is falling fast not only in terms of getting a push but as far as his actual skills are concerned. Not that he's Hulk Hogan or anything, but Benoit really hasn't shown a darn thing in the ring in months now other than his usual bunch of spots. Quite frankly, shoving him up to the main events now is really a case of too little too late in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Anglesault and Triple R always overplay this "OMG *WRESTLER X* is DEAD" card all the time. But Benoit actually really is falling fast not only in terms of getting a push but as far as his actual skills are concerned. Not that he's Hulk Hogan or anything, but Benoit really hasn't shown a darn thing in the ring in months now other than his usual bunch of spots. Quite frankly, shoving him up to the main events now is really a case of too little too late in my opinion. I'ts not too late.........He probably has a low morale right now which is why he's not impressing. Build the guy up for a few months and watch him shine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 16, 2003 2: Big Show was getting beat by Jeff Hardy, then beating Brock Lesnar within a month. He lost to fuckin Jeff Hardy and was a joke. 2 WEEKS later and he's a threat to Brock's title. And they ALL think he's gonna win at Vengeance, right? Perhaps you forgot that Big Show DID beat Brock for the title at Survivor Series. He was built up back then in less than a month and won the title. I'm not talking about NOW with him. I forgot how the crowd really bought that win and that title reign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted July 16, 2003 The problem with the low morale issue is that he's had plenty of reason to show that same trait for years now to be honest. I'm just very leary that Benoit's body might just be rounding the band towards home and don't think a World Title run is going to help that change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Basically, was Big Show seen as a main event threat within about a month after his push started? yes. with the right push, Benoit could be the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 The problem with the low morale issue is that he's had plenty of reason to show that same trait for years now to be honest. I'm just very leary that Benoit's body might just be rounding the band towards home and don't think a World Title run is going to help that change. So then you're saying that it's better off they just keep jobbing him out or stick him in the midcard? Then they're doing the right thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Basically, was Big Show seen as a main event threat within about a month after his push started? yes. No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Basically, was Big Show seen as a main event threat within about a month after his push started? yes. No. Yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Anglesault and Triple R always overplay this "OMG *WRESTLER X* is DEAD" card all the time. But Benoit actually really is falling fast not only in terms of getting a push but as far as his actual skills are concerned. Not that he's Hulk Hogan or anything, but Benoit really hasn't shown a darn thing in the ring in months now other than his usual bunch of spots. Quite frankly, shoving him up to the main events now is really a case of too little too late in my opinion. Can you BLAME him? In the last few months, he's jobbed to a PUNCH and a KICK. The PPV's that they let him ON are like 7 minute matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Basically yeah, I think Benoit is fine where he is as far as the pecking order is concerned. I don't think he should be US Champion or a job guy though. I'm pretty much thinking that Benoit would be well served as midcard roadblock for people heading up to the main events. Stick him in a bunch of blood feuds chock full of angry hatred and see what happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Basically, was Big Show seen as a main event threat within about a month after his push started? yes. No. Yes No. He was Brock's bitch, who never had any chance against Brock at SurSer, where he won thanks to outside interference, backstabbing and a chair, and then continued being Brock's bitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted July 16, 2003 All I'm saying AS is that low morale wasn't a problem when Benoit was a whipping boy for WCW and losing to like... Meng... why should it be now? I just think his body is breaking down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Basically, was Big Show seen as a main event threat within about a month after his push started? yes. No. Yes No. He was Brock's bitch, who never had any chance against Brock at SurSer, where he won thanks to outside interference, backstabbing and a chair, and then continued being Brock's bitch. If he was Brock's bitch I'd like to know what someone who owned Brock would do. He beat the hell out of Brock a few times leading up to the PPV including Chokeslamming him thorugh a table and manhandling him like no one else. That's hardly a bitch to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 16, 2003 He wasn't "Brock's bitch". He kicked Brock's ass, Brock kicked his ass. It was pretty even, and he did have a chance of winning in the eyes of most marks, who were buying into all the Heyman "You can't F-5 the Big Show" stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 16, 2003 What about that AMAZING reign he had? Cena beat up Brock leading to the PPV OMG WORLD TITLE CONTENDER OMG All I'm saying AS is that low morale wasn't a problem when Benoit was a whipping boy for WCW and losing to like... Meng... why should it be now? I just think his body is breaking down. Maybe. I've just been noticing the "Who the hell cares" Crossface lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 16, 2003 It's not about his Title reign, it's about wether he was perceived as a title threat, and he obviously was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 I see no double standard. Almost all "smarks" loved (or at least tolerated and put up with) HHH's backstage games while he was on the 2000-2001 run of a lifetime. He came back and sucked it up, so people didn't tolerate it anymore. If you can work, we put up with you. There's no double standard anywhere in sight from my view. Jason That pretty much sums it up. Everyone and their brother orgasms over Flair's glory days, but if you think he wasn't playing politics you need your head checked or you need to learn yourself some wrestling. There wasn't an internet to create the so-called "smart" fan then ... if there was a 'net, and you were a fan of Magnum TA or Luger or Windham and you knew that Flair was holding them down due to politics, you'd be bullshit. People today don't care about what happened because it's too late to care. To compare the apples of the 1980s to the oranges of today doesn't work. And I do think that Benoit is salvageable; it will take more than a month but I'm not ready to stick a fork in his career. Most fans don't have a long enough memory to care who won a few weeks or months ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
