Guest PhantMan Report post Posted August 6, 2003 where to begin? shawn just plays cool guy while vader seems your typical squash guy whose role in the match is that of letting shawn trye new spots on him. no intensity. no drama. no your typical vader stiffness. vader just stumbles around shawn, trying to keep up and not even being able to throw a fucking punch. in the middle of the match you sense they'ìre trying to build the story that shawn wanna gets disqualified so he can keep the belt, too bad the execution is sloppy and vader, the monster, can't beat up little michales. this is called character assassination. the match ends when shawn ducks a very good moonsault and pins him after a crappy moonsault of his own. end of story. seems like shawn went ahead with the match b/c he "had" to. anyway, to fault vader for his unsuccessful wwf run is a pretty damn dead argument following a match like this. michales just went through the motion here, telegraphing the finish since the very first minutes of the bout. I know the match wasn't built properly, but then why bother to stick a main event like this if it leads to absoloutely nothing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nWoScorpion Report post Posted August 6, 2003 .........::Spits in your eye and threatens to rape your wife and kill your children:: Great, we have another FilingCabinet guy calling ****+ matches ** and less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PhantMan Report post Posted August 6, 2003 sorry but vader selling shawn's offense like he was hit by a damn train doesn't make a **** match. vader's offense consisted in throwing a few punch shawn would duck so easily vader semt in slow-mo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Old Me Report post Posted August 6, 2003 The match may not have been great, but it wasn't offesnsive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2003 The match was built properly, IMO. Vader pinned Shawn at the previous IYH and followed that up by kicking his ass on Raw a few weeks later. He pinned Shawn again on Raw in a tag match that October ... which led to him getting beat by Sid at Buried Alive. Similar to his cage match with Hogan the previous July, I expected Vader to rip the competition's head off ... not job to a weak moonsault press from a guy weighing all of 230lbs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2003 .........::Spits in your eye and threatens to rape your wife and kill your children:: Was that really called for? I'm watching you... Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 6, 2003 .........::Spits in your eye and threatens to rape your wife and kill your children:: Great, we have another FilingCabinet guy calling ****+ matches ** and less. Why don't you defend why you think it's a great match instead of being stupid and doing an extremely lame attempt to be funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nWoScorpion Report post Posted August 6, 2003 The joke was from the Jim Cornette shoot that was just recapped, about Cornette spitting in Ferreras face and Russo claiming he threatend the above mentioned to his family. I haven't seen the match (or the event really) for a few years, so my minds a little rusty. One Argument Though: HBK was doing the Ric Flair broomstick gimmick by carrying everyone and their mother to ***+ matches. Just because of hate for HBK doesn't mean he's a terrible wrestler who can't hold together a decent match. ::Reads SK's rant:: Not that it matters, but he gave it ****1/4. I'm not even saying anything though since I haven't seen the match for a while etc. etc. Vader was suppose to win here, an was changed, then he was suppose to win at SSeries probably but that was changed due to either an injury or HBK pushed for Sid to get the win. Just like previously mentioned, Vader beat the crap out of Shawn on several occasions, and pinning him in the 6 Man at IYH: International Incident with his second rope splash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PhantMan Report post Posted August 7, 2003 ::Reads SK's rant:: Not that it matters, but he gave it ****1/4. I'm not even saying anything though since I haven't seen the match for a while etc. etc. Then why attack me the way you did when you don't even have a clear idea of the match? It semt like I insulted flair vs steamboat. Scott Keith is the same guy that gave garvin vs flair in a cage from a great american bash ** despite the fact the people there neraly rioted and the heat was intense, if you know what I man, despite the fact that garvin worked flair's arm like there was no tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2003 I actually remembered liking the match when it happened. Maybe I wouldn't like it as much now though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Vader was set to take the belt at Survivor Series but injured his ankle (???) just prior to Buried Alive, thus allowing Sid to get the match instead. I believe it was just 6 days prior to Buried Alive that Vader pinned HBK once again in a tag match also involving Cornette and Lothario. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PhantMan Report post Posted August 8, 2003 I'm not debating vader should have won the belt. I'm just saying shawn just didn't sell properly for vader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted August 9, 2003 Vader should have won, period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Only The Strong Survive 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 ^Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PhantMan Report post Posted August 10, 2003 they should have let him kill cactus jack like he did in wcw and voilà... you had a monster to challenge shawn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Your Olympic Hero Report post Posted August 13, 2003 they should have let him kill cactus jack like he did in wcw and voilà... you had a monster to challenge shawn. but at this time they were still building up Mankind as a heel threat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLAGIARISM! 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2003 The match didn't bother me half as much as the feud. Vader wasn't 100% obviously, but killed his heat is the one thing I despise Shawn and Vince for the most, even today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffin Surfer 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2003 One Argument Though: HBK was doing the Ric Flair broomstick gimmick by carrying everyone and their mother to ***+ matches. Just because of hate for HBK doesn't mean he's a terrible wrestler who can't hold together a decent match. ::Reads SK's rant:: Not that it matters, but he gave it ****1/4. I'm not even saying anything though since I haven't seen the match for a while etc. etc. I pray your not calling Vadar a broom stick. Truth be told, when Vadar was motivated, he was a better carrier than Shawn Micheals. In the same year(96), Vadar took a broken down and washed up Inoki and carried the old bastard to one of the best heavyweight New Japan matches of all time, and probably the best match of Inoki's career. Now I haven't seen Vadar/Shawn in a long time for a very good reason, I remember it being terribly average, and never felt the need to watch it again. Considering that Shawn in 96 was a better worker than Inoki, you would expect something better than what they produced. Than again, I doubt Shawn was willing to follow Vadar's lead like Inoki was. And if Vadar/Shawn is ****1/4 than Vadar/Inoki is ******+. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHawk 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2003 I actually just saw this for the first time in years yesterday, and ****1/4 might be a bit high, but it still isn't offensive or anything. I was at that show live, and the crowd was hot for it, particularly when it looked like Vader was going to get the title. And if you pay close attention to the moonsault Shawn hit to win it, Shawn's knee hits Vader in the side of the face, which IMO makes it believable as a finish. Now, as far as Shawn cussing Vader for Michaels being a dipshit and not actually trying to hit the flying elbowdrop properly, that's another story. I mean shit Shawn, you're the one that put him in that spot, why are you pissed that you couldn't hit your move? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2003 they should have let him kill cactus jack like he did in wcw and voilà... you had a monster to challenge shawn. When have you known Vince to copy exact storylines from any other company? Talent, yes. Image, yes. But something like that would be a bit much - and WCW was already on their way to kicking the WWF's ass in regards to ratings. So using a 3-year old WCW storyline to try to beat WCW probably wouldn't have worked out too well. I think the WWF's version of Cactus was Gorilla Monsoon ... but of course that didn't have the lasting effect since Gorilla was in his 60s and hadn't wrestled in nearly 20 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 27, 2003 ::Reads SK's rant:: Not that it matters, but he gave it ****1/4. I'm not even saying anything though since I haven't seen the match for a while etc. etc. Then why attack me the way you did when you don't even have a clear idea of the match? It semt like I insulted flair vs steamboat. Scott Keith is the same guy that gave garvin vs flair in a cage from a great american bash ** despite the fact the people there neraly rioted and the heat was intense, if you know what I man, despite the fact that garvin worked flair's arm like there was no tomorrow. In Keith's defense --- WATCH the whole match and you'll be bored to tears. It was hardly riveting. Hogan v Rock at WM XVIII had great heat. It was hardly a great match. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
