ISportsFan 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 SummerSlam card: Raw side (4 matches): Elimination Chamber (probably around 40 minutes or so) Tag title match (probably around 7 or 8 minutes) RVD v. Kane (probably around 10 minutes - underexaggeration) Shane v. Bischoff (best case around 5 minutes, likely at least 10) Smackdown side (3 matches): Angle v. Lesnar (20 minutes or so) 4 way US title (10-15 minutes) Undertaker v. A-Train (10 minutes, if we're lucky it'll be less) So, by my calculations (including longest case for Smackdown times and shortest case for Raw), Raw out-times Smackdown by 62 minutes to 45. Once again, that's with Raw matches getting least amount of probable anount of time and Smackdown getting the most. Why does this make no sense? Raw has the main event that's guaranteed to get about 40 minutes, AND it gets one more match than Smackdown. And what do they use it on? Two non-wrestlers. It frustrates me that the WGTT and Kidman/Rey and Matt Hardy are off the card when Raw gets 4 matches, including the longest one. It makes no sense. Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Old Me Report post Posted August 22, 2003 It's all HHH. He's HHHolding SummerSlam down~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aero 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Well, now that Gowen vs. Matt is likely off the show, maybe we'll see a WGTT vs. Rey & Kidman. It could be announced on Heat, although I think they'll stick with 7 matches to make more time for the EC and everything else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Old Me Report post Posted August 22, 2003 I really hope we see WGTT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Well doesn't Smackdown get next month's PPV? Can't give away all the money matches now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ISportsFan 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Well, now that Gowen vs. Matt is likely off the show, maybe we'll see a WGTT vs. Rey & Kidman. It could be announced on Heat, although I think they'll stick with 7 matches to make more time for the EC and everything else. The first part would be great. I think the only reason they went through with the Gowan injury angle was to make the card back to 7 matches to give the EC more time. But, I think (despite popular opinion, probably) that if they're going to add a match I'd prefer Kidman/Rey v. Hardy/Moore v. WGTT in a 3-way (Rey/Kidman just started feuding with Hardy/Moore tonight) - it'll give a good match and Hardy something to do. Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ISportsFan 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Well doesn't Smackdown get next month's PPV? Can't give away all the money matches now. No, Raw gets Unforgiven (which is next month). Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Old Me Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Well doesn't Smackdown get next month's PPV? Can't give away all the money matches now. No, RAW get's September, don't they? Yosh! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Well doesn't Smackdown get next month's PPV? Can't give away all the money matches now. No, RAW get's September, don't they? Yes Raw is next month as Smackdown was last month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 SD's next PPV is No Mercy in October. Raw side (4 matches) Smackdown side (3 matches) Isn't this how it was back at Armageddon last year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Old Me Report post Posted August 22, 2003 SD's next PPV is No Mercy in October. Raw side (4 matches) Smackdown side (3 matches) Isn't this how it was back at Armageddon last year? Most can't even remember which brand had a PPV last MONTH! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 SD's next PPV is No Mercy in October. Raw side (4 matches) Smackdown side (3 matches) Isn't this how it was back at Armageddon last year? Yes. RAW: Y2J/Christian v. Storm/Regal v. Dudleys v. Booker T & Goldust Kane v. Batista Victoria v. Jacqueline v. Trish HBK v. HHH SMACKDOWN: Edge v. A-Train Chris Benoit v. Eddie Guerrero Big Show v. Kurt Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Wasn't maina Lop sided as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Wasn't maina Lop sided as well? Nope. It was a balanced show. RAW: Storm/Morley v. Kane/RVD (HEAT) Trish v. Jazz v. Victoria Y2J v. HBK Booker v. HHH Austin v. Rock SMACKDOWN: Matt Hardy v. Mysterio Taker v. A-Train & Big Show Los Guerreros v. Team Angle v. Rhyno/Benoit Hogan v. McMahon Angle v. Lesnar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bricks Report post Posted August 22, 2003 They'll balance it out with Matt Hardy coming out saying he won his match against Zach Gowan by forfeit or countout. Then he'll be shoved away so the Elimination Chamber can drop. Hey, if he can get a PPV payday that way, then it's cool with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 22, 2003 wtf? I'd rather him Be in a BARROOM BRAWL again...They oughta make that a Smackdown PPV staple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Hell, it's been 2 months since Raw had a PPV...THEY DAMN BETTER have more matches to give. Wouldn't it be just perfect if things were equally balanced? That just doesn't happen. Raw's outweighed Smackdown some times, and Smackdown has outweighed Raw sometimes. It happens. AND IT MAKES SENSE. EDIT: Ahem, not to mention that part of the Raw weight comes from a match cancellation on Smackdown. And let's not forget that Raw already rolled 3 matches into one to help out here. And then let's further mention that we all want Angle/Lesnar and the US Title match to be as long as possible. They can shorten the Chamber for this or they can not book as many matches? They chose the latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Will Ultimo Dragon have the Heat match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Someone is biased towards Raw... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Will Ultimo Dragon have the Heat match? Better not... With 15 other storylines toiling about... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Will Ultimo Dragon have the Heat match? Better not... With 15 other storylines toiling about... They'll probably roll out a hot opener to pop the crowd. Since RVD is likely on the PPV (bps: when the hell was the last time that happened?), Kidman/Rey vs. Benjamin/Haas might get the spot, although it belongs on the actual PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Someone is biased towards Raw... Oh yeah, I'm so totally biased. Dipshit. I mean, for heaven sakes, I argued for Raw in this one single thread, I did it with logic, and I did it in an argument that wouldn't even EXIST had roles been reversed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Your Olympic Hero Report post Posted August 22, 2003 They'll probably roll out a hot opener to pop the crowd. The crowd always pops for Scotty 2 Hotty, and I heard he was back. Throw him in a match on Heat as a surprise return, then put the SD tag title match on the PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 They'll probably roll out a hot opener to pop the crowd. The crowd always pops for Scotty 2 Hotty, and I heard he was back. Throw him in a match on Heat as a surprise return, then put the SD tag title match on the PPV. That would actually be a good idea. Although there are other matches that could be put on Heat instead, but for that purpose, it works. And JRE, nice argument I admit, although it just strikes me as unlikely that they'd do it to give the SD matches more time. And you "did it with logic" which is another reason I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ISportsFan 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Someone is biased towards Raw... Oh yeah, I'm so totally biased. Dipshit. I mean, for heaven sakes, I argued for Raw in this one single thread, I did it with logic, and I did it in an argument that wouldn't even EXIST had roles been reversed. You're right, the argument wouldn't exist if the roles were reversed. Because we'd most likely have better matches and better wrestlers getting PPV matches (and payoffs), so the argument would not exist on this board. But the main argument I have from a logic standpoint isn't the unevenness in number of matches. It's the unevenness in terms of probable time alloted. The Elimination Chamber cannot (according to the rules of the match) be less than 20 minutes, and it's likely to push 40 or 45. That's one match that will likely equal the time of the ENTIRE Smackdown side of the card. Throw in three more matches for Raw and they kill them in terms of time alloted. It's not fair to the other brand when one gets the huge gimmick match, about 3/5 to 2/3 of the time alloted for a PPV, and on top of that more matches than the other brand. And your argument of "Well, Raw has had 2 months between PPVs and Smackdown had one last month so Raw better have more matches" is ridiculous. Smackdown will have two months between this PPV and the next one, so is that fair to them to have less matches this month? How about at Survivor Series when the situation is the same. And at WrestleMania. Is it fair that Raw would get more matches and more time on 3 of the 4 joint PPVs? I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong. It's absurd that Raw gets more time, the huge gimmick match, and more matches to top it off. Now how they promoted the show is absolutely horrible because they got all that and STILL put on one of the worst pre-PPV shows in recent memory just 3 days ago. Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted August 22, 2003 After Bad Blood I swore I wouldn't watch another Raw-only PPV for the rest of the year. I don't care if HHH is guaren-damn-teed to lose the belt to RVD, I'll pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 well maybe they are leaving a match open for a possible Surprize Vince vs Brian Kendrick match.... or maybe Vince vs a K-s Suffering Aids patient thats about as far as Vince hasn't gone yet after beating Zack Gowen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 Having 7 matches that are long enough to tell a story is better than having 8 matches that are shorter. Especially if the biggest arguement for the 8th match is just to "make sure there's the same # of matches from both brands". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notJames 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 The only thing that would make the PPV equitable AND get TWGTT on the card is if they run-in during the RAW tag title match and beat both teams down, claiming they are the only true tag team champs, and then have Rey and Kidman come out and challenge them to an impromptu title match. It would replace four useless RAW wrestlers with four talented SD! wrestlers, give the crowd a better match to watch, and everyone gets a PPV payout. Done and done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 22, 2003 The Elimination Chamber cannot (according to the rules of the match) be less than 20 minutes, and it's likely to push 40 or 45. That's one match that will likely equal the time of the ENTIRE Smackdown side of the card. Umm, the Elimination Chamber is THREE matches rolled into one - Goldberg v. HHH, Y2J v. Nash and Orton v. HBK. If the gimmick match wasn't introduced, we would have three matches that would stretch over ten minutes each. On that note, the World title match itself would have to go the HHH-minimum of TWENTY minutes, while Y2J/Nash will certainly go into the vicinity of FIFTEEN minutes to blow off their feud. Orton/HBK? Twelve minutes, I'd guess. The predicted time of forty-seven minutes is already eight minutes more than last year's inaugural Elimination Chamber (39:21). Imagine that. And your argument of "Well, Raw has had 2 months between PPVs and Smackdown had one last month so Raw better have more matches" is ridiculous. Smackdown will have two months between this PPV and the next one, so is that fair to them to have less matches this month? How about at Survivor Series when the situation is the same. And at WrestleMania. Is it fair that Raw would get more matches and more time on 3 of the 4 joint PPVs? I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong. Who cares if it's balanced perfectly from month-to-month? Smackdown has the Rumble for the two-month build, so unless you're going to complain that the Smackdown brand should get another major PPV to build a two-month program to, this argument is null and void. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
