Whats the difference?

[syxx2001 0]

Some people say "I hope this isn't your first TNA ppv. It wasn't very good." Some say "I go into the ppv's not knowing what matches are prepared." Well what's the difference from the 1 million + people who order a WWF ppv and it sucked (Judgment Day) and they order the next ppv with no question? And the TNA previews usually have the top 3 or 4 matches planned for the night, like a Raven/Douglas match or something, its not like they send us into the PPV not knowing anything. So, really what I wanted to ask is, whats the difference from someone spending 10 dollars and being disappointed with a TNA ppv and spending 40 dollars and being disappointed with a WWE one, and still planning on ordering the next?

[bob_barron 0]

People are more used to the WWE product.

 

They know occasionally WWF/E can deliver a fantastic pay per view because they've done it before.

 

People are also more familar with WWE and have more of an attachment to their favourite wrestlers. The show may suck but damn- Regal beat Edge!

 

With NWA- there isn't that much familiarity. The show is headlined by WWF/WCW castoffs (Jarrett, Raven, D-Lo, Douglas) and people you've never heard of (Low Ki, AJ)

 

So when a TNA show sucks it's like: Ah well- whatever.

 

There's no emotional attachment to the wrestlers- Low Ki lost to AJ because of a bat? Oh okay. Whatever.

 

Angle pins Brock to win the title at Vengeance! YAY! ANGLE WON!!! But how will this affect their friendship? Damn- I can't wait to see Smackdown to see what happens next.

 

While if a WWE show sucks you know that maybe in a month they'll put together another Vengeance or your favourite wrestler will win a big match.

[Guest Choken One]

It's brand familiarity.

 

Jumping in TNA pool open foot, isn't a good idea because It's vastly different and that somewhat good and somewhat bad.

 

For someone whom traditional accustomed to WWE, the drop in Production values, The lack of Name stars (TNA's bigger names or WWE cast offs and unknown names) so thus you have a complete lack of connection towards these people...

 

With WWE programing, you get 8 Free Chances to test the waters out and make the connection to a performer or an angle...with TNA, the first test is $10 right away.

 

It's the PPV thing that hurts, people are apprehensive to perchase a product without being able to see what that product has to offer. Believe it or not but not everyone has the Kaaza connection or the IWC Tape connection, so it's a ugly murky thing to get into.

 

It's the classic Business fourmula, The more longetivity a certain brand/product endures, the more of a sense of saftey or gurantee comes about, for WWE to be around for 25 years with all the other promotions lasting no longer then 10 years in the modern era. WWE is a staple.

 

Right now, TNA is no more a staple then Slamball is compared to WWE.

[SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0]

At first I was going to say something else, but then I read what Bob said. I agree COMPLETELY with everything you said Bob. I mean, even i you have SOME emotional attach ment to the wrestlers, just to see what happens next is another $10. I won't rant on and on....I agree completely with Barron on this one....

[BoboBrazil 0]

I enjoy TNA more than WWE. Why I enjoy it more than WWE:

 

1. They don't hold wrestlers back in the ring.

2. They listen to fans.

3. The storylines are entertaining and I don't have to put up with 6 month shitfests like Steiner vs Test or gimmicks like La Resistance.

 

I think if TNA got a head to head show with Raw on Monday Night they would do atleast a 1.5 or 2.0 rating weekly, once word got out about the product. TNA getting on Dish Network would be a big help and add atleast a few thousand buys per week. Whenever their videogame comes out and it is good that will help get them buys too, because it will get coverage in videogame magazines and commercials on tv. This 3 week break they are going to have every year is hurting them too. They need to move to a different arena for those 3 weeks or something, because being down those weeks is really bad.

[Fökai 0]

With WWE programing, you get 8 Free Chances to test the waters out and make the connection to a performer or an angle...with TNA, the first test is $10 right away.

 

This is the definitive answer.

 

In a way, the TNA promotion is under pressure to put on a top-notch performance each week: both to add new viewers, and to keep those old loyalists.

 

Any proposed television deal would help out IMMENSELY, not only to attract new viewers that are apprehensive about doling out the $10 each week, but to let loyalists keep track of angles that they may miss if they failed to see Week #59 (example).

 

3. The storylines are entertaining and I don't have to put up with 6 month shitfests like Steiner vs Test or gimmicks like La Resistance.

 

"I enjoy WWE more than TNA. Why I enjoy it more than TNA:

 

1. No Vince Russo.

 

2. No Shane Douglas."

 

Thank you for your time.

[Styles 0]

"I enjoy WWE more than TNA. Why I enjoy it more than TNA:

 

1. No Vince Russo.

 

2. No Shane Douglas."

 

Thank you for your time.

1. No Vince Mcmahon

2. No Stephanie Mcmahon

3. No Shane Mcmahon

4. No Linda Mcmahon

5. In fact, there are no Mcmahons at all!

 

Thank YOU for your time.

[JustJoe2k5 0]

Still, if you miss one week of TNA you can count on it that they'll cover just about every important aspect of it the very next show, whether it be an interview or video package. I ordered TNA fairly regularly from June 2002 to December 2002. Then, I kind of ran into a slump with money and couldn't purchase another show until March 2003. I didn't feel lost in the storylines or anything. Sort of like if I miss a Raw or Smackdown, I know the same storylines are going to be waiting for me next week.

[bob_barron 0]

They listen to fans.

 

Jarrett v. Raven.

Bringing in Mabel.

Glen Gilbertti's mega push.

Jeff Jarrett in general.

The TNA ladies feud.

It took them FOREVER to go: Hey- maybe we shouldn't break up AMW.

 

The storylines are entertaining and I don't have to put up with 6 month shitfests like Steiner vs Test or gimmicks like La Resistance.

 

You had to put up with the ongoing saga of Simply Luscious/girl v. TNA girls.

The riveting Jarrett v. Legend feud

Jerry Lynn v. Credible

I could name more....

 

I think if TNA got a head to head show with Raw on Monday Night they would do atleast a 1.5 or 2.0 rating weekly

 

Bullshit- Unless they had HEAVY promotion- I don't see them drawing that. And considering most of the shows are not that good- they won't get word of mouth.

[syxx2001 0]

Didn't most people enjoy Gilberti's serious side?

 

Wasn't Mabel on one show for less than 30 seconds?

 

The fans in the arena kept popping for the TNA girls, so they kept showing them. It isn't like they wrestled a match or anything.

 

For whatever it's worth, I think the AMW thing was good as it showed that even the best of teams sometimes have problems. Even though it was accidental, most tag teams dont bicker like that and get back together good as new.

 

BPS already stated that Jarrett is probably used as much as he is because he is the only person that they can count on to appear week in and week out. We could be seeing Jerry Jarrett trying to recapture his youth tagging with AMW. Be lucky you dont.

 

The Jerry Lynn/Justin Credible matches, while short, were fun, especially the last man standing match.

 

And another question, how come most people blast Triple H and Jarrett for putting themselves, when 90% of people in that same position, probably the same people who complain, would do the same.

[bob_barron 0]

Didn't most people enjoy Gilberti's serious side?

 

Not his main event push.

 

Wasn't Mabel on one show for less than 30 seconds?

 

He was still there. Considering TNA is a show that caters to internet fans- why would they bring him in? It's just stupid booking.

 

The fans in the arena kept popping for the TNA girls, so they kept showing them. It isn't like they wrestled a match or anything.

 

It seemed like the fans loved being jipped out of a catfight week and week. Great use of Luscious as well. If you're going to do angles like that- show titties or don't do it at all. And don't waste money bringing in people like Luscious.

 

BPS already stated that Jarrett is probably used as much as he is because he is the only person that they can count on to appear week in and week out.

 

That's a nice theory but the fact remains that people are sick of Jeff Jarrett. Either a heel turn, a character change (Wow- Russo screwed him again) or some time off would really help him. He's stale.

 

The Jerry Lynn/Justin Credible matches, while short, were fun, especially the last man standing match.

 

But there was never a convincing winner. Even the blowoff match had a screwjob ending, neither man came out of it looking any better and Justin Credible hasn't been seen since.

 

For whatever it's worth, I think the AMW thing was good as it showed that even the best of teams sometimes have problems. Even though it was accidental, most tag teams dont bicker like that and get back together good as new.

 

Well it did badly hurt their heat for a long time. Witness the cage match where they had to put on a MOTYC to get the crowd behind him. You may have liked it but the fact remains- the majority of the fans did not and it did some damage.

 

And another question, how come most people blast Triple H and Jarrett for putting themselves, when 90% of people in that same position, probably the same people who complain, would do the same.

 

So that makes everything both men are doing a-okay? Other people doing it does NOT make it okay.

[syxx2001 0]

Where did I say it was OK? I said why do people complain and the same ones that complain would probably do the same thing they do.

 

And Mabel wasn't there to wrestle, he was there to be Truth's bodyguard.

[Guest Choken One]

I enjoy TNA more than WWE. Why I enjoy it more than WWE:

 

1. They don't hold wrestlers back in the ring.

2. They listen to fans.

3. The storylines are entertaining and I don't have to put up with 6 month shitfests like Steiner vs Test or gimmicks like La Resistance.

 

I think if TNA got a head to head show with Raw on Monday Night they would do atleast a 1.5 or 2.0 rating weekly, once word got out about the product. TNA getting on Dish Network would be a big help and add atleast a few thousand buys per week. Whenever their videogame comes out and it is good that will help get them buys too, because it will get coverage in videogame magazines and commercials on tv. This 3 week break they are going to have every year is hurting them too. They need to move to a different arena for those 3 weeks or something, because being down those weeks is really bad.

Bullshit.

 

ECW.

 

This network had bigger and longer lasting success and had a RABID fanbase and was generally known in the wrestling community outside of Internet. They were lucky to draw 1.3. They averaged 0.7 ratings.

 

TNA has massive hype on Time Warner and some other cable outlets and yet only draw 15,000 fans...which would equal...0.1 on cable ratings.

[BoboBrazil 0]

Jarrett v. Raven.

Bringing in Mabel.

Glen Gilbertti's mega push.

Jeff Jarrett in general.

The TNA ladies feud.

It took them FOREVER to go: Hey- maybe we shouldn't break up AMW.

 

 

They still listen to the fans. Yeah they make stupid decisions, but once they find out fans don't like them they stop it. The Jarret vs. Raven feud had to end the way it did, because Raven tried to hold up TNA for more money before the match started. They were probably going to give him the title before that. Gilberti's push is now dead. The ladie's feud is now dead. The fact is AMW didn't break up. Mable is gone for good.

 

You had to put up with the ongoing saga of Simply Luscious/girl v. TNA girls.

The riveting Jarrett v. Legend feud

Jerry Lynn v. Credible

I could name more....

 

The catfights didn't start getting complaints from fans until they started putting them in the ring. Once they finally got in the ring fans started complaining, so they stopped. The Jarrett vs Legend feud lasted all of 3 weeks and is now switched to Daniels vs Jarrett. People liked the Lynn vs Credible feud so I don't know why you even put that one.

[bob_barron 0]

Where did I say it was OK? I said why do people complain and the same ones that complain would probably do the same thing they do.

 

But in a way you're justifying their behaviour when there really is no justification.

 

And Mabel wasn't there to wrestle, he was there to be Truth's bodyguard.

 

But why bring in a guy like Mabel who has been reviled by TNA's core fanbase? That's stupid.

 

Jarret vs. Raven feud had to end the way it did, because Raven tried to hold up TNA for more money before the match started.

 

I think it was that Raven wouldn't sign a contract because he and Jarrett had major problems with each other. The fact remains that they botched the biggest match in history and killed Jarrett's heat and pissed off a majority of the banbase.

 

Gilberti's push is now dead.

 

We had to sit through the Glen Gilberti blowjob show and have to deal with Jarrett v. Gilberti.

 

The fact is AMW didn't break up

.

 

But you would think they would've taken the hint. They didn't for a long time. They got LUCKY that AMW puts on crowd pleasing matches

 

Mable is gone for good

 

The fact that-

 

a) Someone considered bringing him in.

b) Someone okayed this idea.

c) Someone paid his transportation and paid him

d) All this occured on a show whose fanbase is pretty much the IWC

e) And a show that people paid $10 for

 

speaks volumes.

 

 

The catfights didn't start getting complaints from fans until they started putting them in the ring.

 

I believe I was bitching about it the first week it happened. It was a waste of airtime, a waste of money and a waste of talent.

 

The Jarrett vs Legend feud lasted all of 3 weeks and is now switched to Daniels vs Jarrett.

 

Having to endure TNA's version of the 5.5 Nash v. HHH brawl and Jarrett pathetically attempting to try and get himself over as a babyface was bad enough. I'll be SHOCKED if Daniels goes over cleanly- but if he does- I will give Jarrett some props.

 

People liked the Lynn vs Credible feud

 

I don't recall too many people being happy with their three minute specials and inconclusive ending.

[syxx2001 0]

Theres that 10 dollar thing when he was on the show for less than a minute...at the end of the show....after the main event.

[eirejmcmahon 0]

I think if TNA got a head to head show with Raw on Monday Night they would do atleast a 1.5 or 2.0 rating weekly, once word got out about the product.

I appreciate that you're obviously a big fan of the NWATNA product but that's just silly, there's no way they'd draw those kind of numbers.

[Guest Choken One]

Exactly. Wrestling's in a down time right now and only WWE is actively able to survive on Network tv because it's a proven commodity and a staple.

 

ECW couldn't make it at the HEIGHT of the boom and You shouldn't expect TNA to be any more of a success.

 

Getting a Network to give them a decent managable timeslot will be very differcult to pull off...ECW had to wait 3-5 years to get a lousy timeslot on TNN...and this was when ECW was a bigger company then TNA and wrestling had a market.

 

It won't be until 2007 likely, Wrestling gets another boom and I doubt that TNA can be surive to even 2004.

[syxx2001 0]

You were probably one of those who said it wouldn't survive past August 2002.

 

And ECW also didn't get any promotion from TNN either. Them being on on Friday nights when most teens are out smoking and racing cars didn't help either.

[BoboBrazil 0]

I think if TNA got a head to head show with Raw on Monday Night they would do atleast a 1.5 or 2.0 rating weekly, once word got out about the product.

I appreciate that you're obviously a big fan of the NWATNA product but that's just silly, there's no way they'd draw those kind of numbers.

Notice I said head to head show and once they got the word out. I believe they could reach this number if they did a head to head live show with Raw each week and got a big push from the network it was on.

[Guest Choken One]

You were probably one of those who said it wouldn't survive past August 2002.

 

And ECW also didn't get any promotion from TNN either. Them being on on Friday nights when most teens are out smoking and racing cars didn't help either.

Well at they time they had Shamrock, Lynn, Jarrett as the main event ya know...

 

I wouldn't bank on that surviving at the time...But X saved/made it.

[Guest Choken One]

I think if TNA got a head to head show with Raw on Monday Night they would do atleast a 1.5 or 2.0 rating weekly, once word got out about the product.

I appreciate that you're obviously a big fan of the NWATNA product but that's just silly, there's no way they'd draw those kind of numbers.

Notice I said head to head show and once they got the word out. I believe they could reach this number if they did a head to head live show with Raw each week and got a big push from the network it was on.

Once again I must bring up BRAND Familitary...It took WCW about A full 9 Months to finally compete with WWE raw and they had Turner pumping gallons of Money into the company...

 

TNA doesn't have a rich owner like Ted Turner.

 

When given a option, most people go with what's familar...It took awhile for WCW to win over the fans and that took ALOT and the greatest Angle at the time in wrestling history was to thank for that.

[treble 0]

Theres that 10 dollar thing when he was on the show for less than a minute...at the end of the show....after the main event.

Well, if the last thing you see on a show is freakin' Mabel, is that going to convince you to shell out $10 again to watch their next show? If someone does a run in after the main event, that leads me to believe he's going to be given a main event push, too, so now I'm doubly sure that TNA's not getting my money if he's going to be used in that role.

[Guest ArchoanJB]

actually it only took WCW a few weeks to get the same exact ratings as WWF It took them 9 months to get the angle that put them ahead of the WWF, just thought I'd share.

[bob_barron 0]

Theres that 10 dollar thing when he was on the show for less than a minute...at the end of the show....after the main event.

The last thing fans remember is the main event.

 

June 18th, 2003- Raven, Sting and Jarrett all posing in the ring together as the crowd goes wild.

 

That's good.

 

February 26th, 2003h- Russo threatens to beat up kids.

 

That's bad

[Guest Choken One]

Again...Does TNA have Ted Turner pumping blood for the show?

 

Remember WCW also had 10 years of prior fanbase and already had a long lasting network history...

[Guest Choken One]

Again...Does TNA have Ted Turner pumping blood for the show?

 

Remember WCW also had 10 years of prior fanbase and already had a long lasting network history...

[bob_barron 0]

actually it only took WCW a few weeks to get the same exact ratings as WWF It took them 9 months to get the angle that put them ahead of the WWF, just thought I'd share.

Actually- the first time Nitro and RAW went head to head- Nitro defeated RAW.

 

Nitro was helped by hyping up Luger v. Hogan and Norton v. Savage on the first show when RAW was dark.

[syxx2001 0]

Well it doesn't really matter. That show sucked anyway so Mabel being there wouldn't have been the first thing to turn them away...or something.

[Guest Choken One]

as much as I Don't want to help out the tna marks...

 

but Mabel was a one time thing...

 

WWE brought Sable back and put her on the PPV cover...brought back Hogan and put WMXIX marketing on him...