The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

[Mole 0]

I'm not sure how many of you watch Veronica Mars (you should be, though--the show is good. It's on at Tuesdays at 9 on UPN), but it may interest you to know that Alyson Hannigan will be showing up in an upcoming episode as Logan's sister.

Ohh, so that is who the "Buffy Guest Star" is.

[Guest Brian]

"Ground State" and the foxy Gwen Raiden.

 

We actually get a little bit of backstory for Gwen, which is pretty good for a part-time character. How many others who get three eps get this much attention to detail.

 

Oh man, we get to see Wes in action. He really resembles that guy we saw in "Birthday", and maybe the tangents between the alternate realities aren't so different after all. And Angel is more reflective about their relationship.

 

I like Dinza, Sorta freaky little character, and provides a nice little banter. And she tell him that he has "so much more to lose", which is so true. That's the season really, between that and the family and love. How Angel reacts to his changing definition of love, which encompasses his "family", and he chooses to save them as best as he can, including Cordy and Connor.

 

Ooooh, I like Gwen. Feisty.

 

I like Angel showing Fred up with the drawings, and how Fred is feeling the pressures.

 

God, Lilah fucking rules it. Lilah and Wes fucking rule it.

 

I like the whoe crime scene, with Gwen a step ahead of everyone just as everything looks smooth.

 

God, I love the Angel/Lilah scene. Their both so biting. Angel bringing up Wes and threatening to kill her.

 

Fred and Gunn are falling apart. They really are just two different worlds; Gunn was always right.

 

"What are you, Lex Luthor." I cracked up over that line.

 

I really liked Angel punching the plastic, because it's alot of the same thing we see in Gunn later on in "Peace Out", where his sheer determination is what gets them through. The male characters and female characters all seem to develop a lot of the same strengths, just interpreted in different forms.

 

And I like Angel giving Gwen the "freak" speech. Because that comes out this season, that you have to get things done yourself (Powers that Be). And then Angel punches Elliot, taking Gwen's shot away.

 

And Cordelia finding her home. Sorta strange, because that's what everyone is searching for.

[Mole 0]

Joss said this during a SFX interview.

 

According to SFX magazine, during the recent "High Stakes: Whedon Fans For John Kerry And John Edwards" campaign, Joss Whedon let slip this choice titbit about what happened after the events of "Not Fade Away": "Gunn is dead. Illyria keeps fighting. Angel loses an arm. Spike gets Shanshu. And Xander loses another eye, which is funny, because he isn’t even there".

 

Note that Joss was joking when he said this. ;-)

[Guest Brian]

I'm going to finish off this first disc of Season 4 so I can move on quickly. I'll post this now and I'll get another in sometime after one or two.

 

"The House Always Wins" sorta runs the table on this good streak of eps we've had to start the season. It's a good episode, sparsed with humor.

 

I like the opening. Angel so close, yet so far away from his son. Trying to play the tough, loving father. And dropping the statue was a nice touch. The conversation between Gunn, Fred, and Angel is really supposed to hit at the fact that Gunn recommended Angel go to Vegas the summer before Season 3.

 

Okay, I like the whole reminiscing bit. But WTF was Angel doing playing tennis in Vegas? Or was he just watching?

 

I like Lorne playing the lounge singer.

 

Nice payoff later on with Lorne ignoring them.

 

You know, even though I like the whole idea of Angel being around back in the day, didn't he shun humans for the most part during his early years until WWII, especially after the restaurant worker incident. The whole mythology runs around it, and yet here is this history of him running with the high-rollers.

 

Wes is pretty cold in this scene. Just all business, including Lilah in a way. Though the phone sex was a little more. And the first mention of Emile.

 

Angel's being flirty and Fred's counting cards.

 

I love it when Fred says that's what she's been saying only with better grammar. Nice little exchange.

 

Here's the start of the plot for this episode, which is what Angel is fighting for. Another big piece of this season, as the evolving interpretation of the Shanshui prophesy and its implications on Angel goes on. And by the end of the episode, he ends up fighting for the people around him, his friends, who are his "family".

 

Weirdo law firm in LA.

 

Gunn lashing out at Lorne, maybe a little of his prejudice towards demons coming out. It still a part of him, and maybe his never wanting to accept that world, or the good in it, is what keeps him from the group.

 

It's weird, but there's an awful big parallel between Jasmine and Cordy. Cordy wanting to help as a higher being, and not being able to, just as Jasmine said she had wanted to do.

 

And Angel recognizing the room was cool. As was his just vamping out of nowhere. And like I said earlier, Angel's views on why he fights, and what he's fighting for, are becoming more substantial.

[Guest Brian]

"Slouching Toward Bethlehem"

 

Connor is kinda creepy saving that family. And then longingly looking at the family, feeling as if he doesn't belong in his.

 

Cordy's back. Whoop-di-freakin-doo. This episode is sloowwwing down.

 

There are some good line, but the ep is really blah. I like how when Cordy mentions Angel's wacky sidekicks (much the same thing Lilah says) Gunn considers himself to be more than just a sidekick.

 

Here's Lorne doing the reading, which is pretty key.

 

Wes signs the dollar, which comes up in "Home".

 

Wes: Fresh start. Doesn't sound so bad.

 

Lorne's brain has been sucked. I love the way Lilah plays Wes, reminding him exactly what business is. And it adds fuel to the fire with Gunn.

 

Lilah: Free will. Look it up.

 

Not much too write about. I ddi however love wes line and how it relates to the end of this all. Maybe the Loa was right back in Season Three, that his life was always connected to pain no matter how he tried to escape it. He tries to save Connor to no avail. He went searching for comfort in Lilah to no avail. Same with Fred, always followed by pain.

[Mole 0]

I hated "Slouching Toward Bethlehem."

 

Bad, bad, bad episode.

[Crowe 0]

I don't hate it, it's just no where near as good as the other twenty one episodes in the season.

[Guest Brian]

It has its lines, but otherwise it's pretty poor, especially when compared with everything else.

 

Now this is the type of stuff I was trying to get when I started this thing. Supersymmetry is coming soon, since I'm in a mood to push through the crap so I can get to all the good stuff.

[Crowe 0]

Ah, Supersymmetry, the episode when Fred & Gunn pretty much fuck their relationship up good and proper. The bit where Angel recreates the seating arrangement and uses his vampire awareness to remember the "scene" is word.

[Ravenbomb 0]

on the bright side, I'd never heard of The Second Coming before I read about the episode on TV Tome, so it gets poitns for that

[Jericholic82 0]

I think I'm in some ways luckier than a lot of Whedon fans, since I was so late in the game in discovering Buffy and Angel. Unlike everyone who's been watching these shows for years, I didn't have to wait weeks and weeks (or sometimes months and months) for new episodes; quite the contrary, two weeks worth of watching FX would provide me with a whole season of Buffy. So I got to absorb seven years' worth of TV in just a few months time. On the other hand... I do wish I'd been watching it since the beginning, just to have experienced it all when it was first fresh and new.

Likewise. I had only seen a handful of buffy/angel eps untill late 02. I watched some eps of buffy on a thanksgiving day marathon on fx and enjoyed it. also started watching season 6 which at this point was nearing the end of the season. so I continued to watch s6 every week just cuz nothin else was on.

 

In april 03 I started to watch buffy reruns on fx (they were aty the begin of s2 then) and I REALLY got into the show then. I watched all the reruns up to season 6, then watched s1 as I had never seen it. I watched all of s7 but not angel yet. I started to watch s5 of angel since spike was going to be on it and got into it. tnt started showing the previous 4 seasons of angel every day so I went back and watched them all.

 

some eps of both shows I have seen very few times, so It's still kinda new to me.

 

all I know is that when a rerun airs at anytime I always feel compelled to watch it, which is why Ill probably not buy the dvds ever since I will be bored of the shows by then maybe.

 

 

 

 

anyhow I woke up early today so I watched fx s5 reruns of buffy, and today they showed "Blood Ties" (where dawn discovers she is the key)

 

I have a quick question here: all of you buffy lifers who were watching s5 back when it first happened, what was your reaction to the whole dawn storyline. Did you know right away something was up or did you forget buffy was supposed to be an only child? since I started watching s6 first, I had no idea about dawn and was kinda confused when I saw s 1-4 repeats.

 

 

and one more thign, I hate dawns melodramatic reaction to discovering the truth. I guess i would be a little upset too, but hey she should be happy shes alive and not a glob of energy anymore.

 

and how irrittating is it to watch glory and ben and knowing that they could have just killed ben and got rid of glory early on if only not for the masking spell?

 

I loved it when Giles took care of business at the end of s5 (I wont spoilt it for you newbies)

[Guest Brian]

Supersymmetry.

 

The best thing going on in this episode is the Wes/Fred stuff. Lilah seeing the magazine open to friend's article, and how can you possibly hate where this is going. "Leave the glasses on."

 

Gunn and Fred. Two different worlds. Maybe Fred is what kept him a part of the group for the last season.

 

"They talk abolut me in the chatty rooms?" Classic.

 

I love how Fred confides in Wesley. It's a throwback to last season, where she was in love with Gunn but she had so much in common with Wes, and it's something that will come through later on.

 

Connor's got the hormones in full swing, and it's part of what allows him to be so easily used by Cordy/Jasmine.

 

You know, the nobility issue is really being pushed with all these male characters, and as well the border between black and white, good and evil. Gunn does the kill, Wes sleeps with the enemy, and Angel reverts to Angellus.

 

" You know what they say about payback? Well, I'm the bitch." I love it when you talk dirty baby.

 

And I love Gunn saving Fred. Trying to capture an innocense that just doesn't exist anymore. Like Angel tries to do at the end of the season. Even in the weaker episodes, this season is so fucking deep.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

"They talk abolut me in the chatty rooms?"

 

This is probably in my top 10 Angel quotes of all time.

[Guest Brian]

"Go start a website."

[Guest Brian]

"Spin the Bottle"

 

So is Lorne a lounge singer?

 

Wes calling to check on Fred. What a player.

 

I love that shot of Gunn standing between Fred and Wes.

 

Lorne makes another joke about his mother, just like he makes the joke about his family in "Deep Down".

 

And the muscle talk. And Wes is biting with the you keep needing my help. And then he bust out the sword, which leads to this blunt dialogue:

 

Gunn: "What happened to you man?"

Wes: "I had my throat cut and all my friends abandoned me."

 

Everyone's tripping out. Great fun.

 

Cordy uses that "Hello, Salty Goodness" line like she used the first time she met Angel.

 

"I'm not you friend you English pig." And they make fun of Angel's accent.

 

Isn't Wes just the geekiest thing right now? "Judging by the amount of facial hair 've grown, we've all be a sleep for about a month."

 

I love the natural tension between Wes and Gunn. And Wes doing the fake "Karate and then his weapons popping out. And then Fred trying.

 

More sexual tension with Connor, I really never noticed they built up to Connor's need before the reign of fire?

 

Fred trying to hustle some weed.

 

Gunn breaking up Wes' conclusion.

 

"Bout time the English got what's coming to 'em? I'm rooting for the slave."

 

Angel figuring out he's a vampire is awesome. The lack of reflection, the forehead, the fangs, and just the way he reacts.

 

I love Wes and the weapon going off around Fred.

 

Angel and the cars. And Cordy reels him back in.

 

Wes has to hurry another conclusion before Angel can break his thoery and take away the spotlight. And then Gunn hits him in the face. And Fred with the metal detector. And Angel's burning up from the cross.

 

And then Lorne wakes up, blowing Angel's cover, and Angel knocks him across the room. And I love how he reverts in a lot of ways to Angellus. Does it say something about his natural state?

 

Wes gets his fall in.

 

And Connor is there. And Cordy promises him what he's been looking for. And Angel and Connor are going at it. I love how Angel and Connor or so alike. And how Angel asks him if he's a vampire too. Angel beats him, that simple, yet doesn't finish him. He doesn't want to be a vampire, no surprise.

 

And everyone stumbles back in. And we get our first peek at the Beast.

[Jericholic82 0]

funny how you mention connor and cordy. reminds me of s5 where angel and connor reunite and he meets the crew at WRANDH Illyria says something to the effect of "hes thinking sexual thoguhts about me" and connor denying it pretty funny

 

 

man this thread continues its slow death. maybe Ill finally finish that story i wrote anbd post it soon

[Jericholic82 0]

oh and have a quote for today from buffy season 5 ep "I was Made To Love You" with Warrens first series appreance with his robot gf

 

 

Tara: Sometimes I go online, but everyone's spelling is really bad, it's depressing

 

then anya gets in a line mentioning that her website for the magic box features a giant picture of her

[Guest Brian]

I'm not worried about this thread. It'll slumber along until the DVD's come out amd then it'll awake for probably two or three months.

[Ravenbomb 0]

[Anya 0]

Yeah, the magic box website thing is really funny. Too bad it doesn't really exist, like Cassie's peotry site does.

 

 

Dawn's reaction in Blood Ties is so lame. GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest Brian]

I love this first dream sequence with Cordy. The opening Beast salvo, about something deep down clawing its way up. Isn't this as much about Jasmine? Even though they didn't plan it at the time probably, it has a lot to do with Jasmine inside of her (and Angellus inside of Angel, the murderer inside of Faith).

 

Have they ever pushed the Gunn and rats thing before?

 

Wesley and Lilah. Wesley and Lilah! WESLEYandLILAH~! Leave the glasses on~!

 

Gunn and Fred on the outs.

 

Connor shows up back at the hotel.

 

I love the whole way this episode builds. It really is built around the fight scene. That’s part of the problem with the sex scene at the ends, it’s not only out of place but it’s on top of everything else. There’s really no need to demoralize things anymore for Angel, and given that the whole episode was sculpted around the fight scene, it could have ended very successfully at that point. Plus it would have eliminated something that a lot of people didn’t like any only benefited the episode. Maybe it’s just a small qualm with pacing for the season.

 

I love the Birds. It reminds me of Hitchcock

 

I love Angel and Lilah. Telling her he wanted to torture Gavin but he wouldn’t stop talking.

 

Connor going all sentimental. And they end up right back in piss alley. How sweet. Oh, but the motherfuckin’ Beast is here to save the day.

 

I love the little scene with them figuring out Lorne’s reading. The major thing to get out of this is that Gunn is a relatively clever guy, that he’s not just a one-dimensional muscle man. This is Gunn’s personal arc for the season. They had a chance to push this last season after his face-off with the gang, and though they pushed tension between Angel and Gunn, they had never really pushed Gunn in any direction. Truth-be-told, Fred sidelined him, and it’s no surprise that pulling him away from her was key in moving his character along.

 

And as if they need to sell the Beast as being anymore badass, they add the fact that this guy is the only thing to ever break Connor. Hell Dimension<<<<<<<<<<Beast.

 

I love Angel tossing Wes the crossbow. It’s as close as they can get to a reconciliation, but Angel definitely wants Wes back. He’s a part of the family.

 

The fight scene rules. Words cannot due in justice. I just want to bring up the two rather big parts: Wes busting out the big guns and Angel going game face and still not getting it done. Oh yeah, the flip up and the vamp face rule.He had him on the ropes and the Beast seemed like he was just playing him. Fucking lovin’ it.

 

It’s awesome watching the reactions to the fire in the sky. Lilah is fearing for her life, in Wolfram and Hart. Fred is separated and alone. The gang on top of the roof and Angel, bloodied from where he got thrown. Wes helping Gunn off the roof. I’m not going to talk about Connor and Cordy since I’ve already mentioned it earlier. But Angel seeing them was pretty nice, especially with his reaction from the start of next episode. Still, the episode so rules it.

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I liked the shot where Angel almost staked the Beast in the eye. I don't know why, but I just remember really liking it when I first saw it.

[Mole 0]

Ahhh, "Apacolypse Nowish."

 

Best. Angel. Episode. Ever

[Guest Brian]

I liked the shot where Angel almost staked the Beast in the eye. I don't know why, but I just remember really liking it when I first saw it.

I love the part right after it even more. Angel comes so close nd you see the Beast's eye, and then you realize Angel is not stabbing him. Then the stake gets supposited in Angel's neck, and all of a sudden there's pain and him in human face, then he get tossed. And just when it looks like they might re-group, boom, it's over.

 

I wouldn't call it best ever. That last scene takes too much wind out of the sails.

 

Habeas Corpses will be up later tonight, probably with Long Day's Journey.

[Jericholic82 0]

aha Buffy s6 is on fx right now and its halloween time for some quotes

 

 

 

Dawn: What are you supposed to be?

Anya: an angel

Dawn:wheres your wings and stuff?

Anya:Im a special kind of angel called a Charlie, we dont have wings we just skate around all day with perfect hair and fight crimes. wheres your costume?

Dawn:Like Im 5 years old

Anya:But its halloween, dressing up and games and stuff. Xander is going to teach me a new game after work called shiver me timbers, ever play

(Tara escorts dawn away)

Anya: How bout you Tara ever play shiver me timbers?

Tara: I dont like timber so much

 

 

"Giles:I hope he(xander) ends up in a parrelel dimension inhabited by a 50 foot Giles who squishes annoying pirates like a bug"

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Saw the 100th episode again tonight. That was great, I am still delighted whenever I see Angel S5 reruns. I can't wait until it comes out on dvd. I don't think I'll bother picking up Angel 4 or Buffy 6/7.

[Guest Brian]

All of a sudden, Season Three and Four made so much sense. All the big themes of Season Four, like Love is Sacirifice, work in Season Three. The vampire in 'Heartbreak' sacrificing himself for the woman he loved, Angel's reaction to losing Connor, all of it made so much more sense. As for the episode, I'm writing about "Habeas Corpus".

 

I love the opening with Angel busting down the door and it just falling down the flight of stairs.

 

And the fallen warriors return. Gunn and Wes are back at it, once Fred enters the picture. And Wes makes the comment about losing, though not very subtly.

 

Wes and Lilah break it off. Wes is so great. Lilah talking about black and white and gray. Because these guys are going to be so in the gray by next season. And my favorite part is when Lilah tells him she'll put on the glasses, and Wes tells him not to embarass herself.

 

I like Connor going all badass, taking out two security guards and the grabbing Lilah by the throat. And Lilah threatening Gavin.

 

The Beast is so great. Taking care of Connor with one shot. Unfazed by Lilah's shooting. And Wes saves the day, white knight and all. And the grenade was an awesome touch. Wes has a full fucking arsenal.

 

I love Gunn's reaction to the Beast inside Wolfram and Hart.

 

Angel sacrificing himself, the gang, for Connor and Cordy (leaving her at hom). Love is sacrifice. He just hasn't figured it out yet.

 

I love Angel going up the vent and Gunn calling him a show-off.

 

I love Angel talking about "eliminating the competition.

 

I like Angel and Connor going over zombies.

 

ANGEL

No, zombies are slow-moving, dimwitted things that crave human flesh.

 

CONNOR

Like you.

 

Gunn sacrificing himself for friend, like with Siedel. Love is sacrifice is such a strong theme in both these seasons.

 

I like Lorne giving a look at his martini when the gang appears.

 

Wesley sais it going to take something "far smarter and stronger" to take care of the Beast. Because that's what gets to Angel when they're talking about Angellus.

 

And Angel kicks Connor and Cordy out at the end.

[Guest Brian]

Angel has all his family back at the end of Habeas Corpus, and he kicks them out. Weird given what we see in the opening of the season and in "Awakening".

 

On to "Long Day's Journey".

 

I love when the Beast kills the second totem right in front of Gwen, and then bolts before she can take off her glove.

 

Angel trying to use Gwen to make Cordy jealous.

 

I love Manny as a one-time character. He tells it plain like it is: Beast is going to knock out the sun. And trying to get a lap dance out of Gwen.

 

I love Manny telling these guys not to trust the books. With the shanshu and the “Father will kill the son” prophecies proven false, that really works well with Angel.

 

I like how they talk about using a portal and Gunn totally hates it.

 

I love that knock and Connor’s door and then the Beast is there. And the Beast tosses him out the fucking window.

 

They think they’ve taken out the Beast. And things just keep getting darker. While Cordy get the full vision, and the Beast reveals his secret. And then he just swallows up the orb, and jumps out.

 

There’s still the question of why the little girl wanted Angellus back. Did she know that he would defeat him?

 

In Loving Memory of Glenn Quinn.

[Guest Brian]

When did Connor go back to "Angel is Angellus"mode?

 

Wesley seeking out the dark mystic was awesome. Telling him he needs a soul extracted while wipping the blood off his fist. How is that not badass?

 

Oh yeah, Connor's in "woe is me" mode. God, STFU.

 

I love Angel and Wes discussing Angellus.

 

Cordy and Angel talk and she references the "stronger and smart" thing from "Habeas Corpses". And she leads him right in the direction he wants.

 

Wes says the cage is not for the Beast, it's for him.

 

I love the fantasy. It's packed full of fun.

 

First, everything comes so easy. The dark mystic killa himself, has the writing, and Cordy has the vision immediately.

 

Wes apologizes.

 

I love the Indiana Jones vibe. "Wood. Why'd it have to be wood." And Wes makes the slip-up with the bells, almost like in bringing Angel back to a more perfect time they've also drawn his character back a bit.

 

Wes and the book knowledge, figuring out the Hebrew.

 

Connor and Angel deciding to work together, holding the stone slab up.

 

Cordy admitting her mistakes.

 

I love the idea of a dimensional hub.

 

And Cordy finally really tells him how much she loves him. And Angel confides. And Connor is right there for the kiss.

 

I love that Connor repeats the "Champion" speech from "Deep Down". And these two finally duke it out.

 

Gunn wants to play with the new weapon. And hacks the coffee table in half. I love it.

 

And Angel gives the team speech.

 

The Beast breaking in was awesome. "Oh, there he is."

 

The fight scene was nic. Because it doesn't really seem like fantasy. He breaks the fucking sword. Connor showing up is a nice touch, and they finally fight side by side. And Connor admits that he's "Angel". And Connor tells Angel he's right, and admits Cordy loves him. And we get the line about Cordy being too old for him.

 

Wes and Gunn with the handshake. Man, I miss that.

 

At the start of the ep, everyone was looking up and seeing the blackout. Now, they're all admiring the sun.

 

And Cordy and Angel fuck, to cap off his perfect day. And do you know what he cries out. "Buffy."

 

And then they pull the wool off your eyes, and you realize it was all a tease. And then Cordy calls him "Angellus". And to cap thing off, you hear this laughter, as Angellus knows everything, holds all the cards.

 

One of my favorite episodes.

[Jericholic82 0]

When did Connor go back to "Angel is Angellus"mode?

 

Wesley seeking out the dark mystic was awesome. Telling him he needs a soul extracted while wipping the blood off his fist. How is that not badass?

 

Oh yeah, Connor's in "woe is me" mode. God, STFU.

 

I love Angel and Wes discussing Angellus.

 

Cordy and Angel talk and she references the "stronger and smart" thing from "Habeas Corpses". And she leads him right in the direction he wants.

 

Wes says the cage is not for the Beast, it's for him.

 

I love the fantasy. It's packed full of fun.

 

First, everything comes so easy. The dark mystic killa himself, has the writing, and Cordy has the vision immediately.

 

Wes apologizes.

 

I love the Indiana Jones vibe. "Wood. Why'd it have to be wood." And Wes makes the slip-up with the bells, almost like in bringing Angel back to a more perfect time they've also drawn his character back a bit.

 

Wes and the book knowledge, figuring out the Hebrew.

 

Connor and Angel deciding to work together, holding the stone slab up.

 

Cordy admitting her mistakes.

 

I love the idea of a dimensional hub.

 

And Cordy finally really tells him how much she loves him. And Angel confides. And Connor is right there for the kiss.

 

I love that Connor repeats the "Champion" speech from "Deep Down". And these two finally duke it out.

 

Gunn wants to play with the new weapon. And hacks the coffee table in half. I love it.

 

And Angel gives the team speech.

 

The Beast breaking in was awesome. "Oh, there he is."

 

The fight scene was nic. Because it doesn't really seem like fantasy. He breaks the fucking sword. Connor showing up is a nice touch, and they finally fight side by side. And Connor admits that he's "Angel". And Connor tells Angel he's right, and admits Cordy loves him. And we get the line about Cordy being too old for him.

 

Wes and Gunn with the handshake. Man, I miss that.

 

At the start of the ep, everyone was looking up and seeing the blackout. Now, they're all admiring the sun.

 

And Cordy and Angel fuck, to cap off his perfect day. And do you know what he cries out. "Buffy."

 

And then they pull the wool off your eyes, and you realize it was all a tease. And then Cordy calls him "Angellus". And to cap thing off, you hear this laughter, as Angellus knows everything, holds all the cards.

 

One of my favorite episodes.

I enjoyed that as well. The ending was pretty creep too with the evil laughter from Angellus. I liked how Dave always played anglelus differently from angel. The subtle differences in voice the attitude. H actually learned to act betterw hile on angel i think, cuz by season 4 angellus was badder than ever.

 

 

ah and the s5 dvd is coming very shortly so hold on

 

 

theyre actuallyshowing s5 reruns at 8am on tnt every weekday today we had "the cautionary tale of numero cinco" how can you not love an episode featuring ghost luchadores?