The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Jayne beating the shit out of Illyria was pretty crazy. Poor Illyria. When Crash Bandicoot is a metaphor for your existance, you might as well turn the console off.

 

So, Angel nails Blondie McFunbags and nothing happens? Come on. I never liked the idea that perfect happiness was an orgasm, but now it's an orgasm with only Buffy and Cordy? Cordy I can believe, she seems like she knows what she's doing. But happy virgin Buffy? I doubt it.

 

So, who's going to die in the finale? I imagine Lorne is going to bite the bullet. He seems pretty sad lately. Maybe Harmony, probably Illyria. I think the core group of Angel/Spike/Wes/Gunn will survive.

Technically he never really lost his soul by having sex with Cordy. It was an illusion, but in the illusion it was a combination of his son accepting him, the beast being dead, and having sex with Cordy.

 

With Buffy it wasn't just sex it was basically the cosumation of their love. A moment of passion that had been building for awhile.

 

I don't think he loves Nina the way he loved Buffy and Cordy. She's like a sex buddy or something.

 

Oh and I loved the "We stopped having intercourse" line from Illyria and Spike's reaction to it.

Yeah, you're right. It does make sense, the Cordy explanation is spot on. And he did "love" Buffy since the moment he saw her, that perv. So him finally nailing the jailbait could work as perfect happiness.

 

And yeah, that line was priceless. Good ol Spike.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I'm sad they killed off Drogan because he could have easily become my new favorite character. Especially if he had more interactions with Spike.

[Mole 0]

Angel's promo was really good, but it's hard to take this secret society seriously. It's kind of like the 7th season of Buffy, in how they're trying really hard to hype up how this is the biggest thing ever and how this is the supreme big bad to end all big bads and we're all gonna die....but the credibility just isn't there. The hype I have for the finale and the final battle is because it is the final battle and has little to do with the actual threat the heroes are going to face. That is way uncool.

I just don't get how the credibility isn't there. They have been building this up for 5 seasons on Angel. And the heroes are facing a huge threat; the fuckin Senior Partners. They run the biggest law firm in the world, plus whatever the run in other dimensions and the fact that will ALWAYS be around.

 

I don't get how Buffy season 4 is your favorite season. They made the whole Adam thing an Apacolypse, when in fact it was no where near one. All Adam wanted to do was make a huge army of demons/human body parts, but where is the end of the world? If anything, them making a huge threat out of that isn't credible.

 

I'm not fretting your opinions because I'm not like that, but I don't understand how you put seasons of Angel so low on your list. I meant to ask you this before, but it slipped my mind.

 

From best to worst....

 

Buffy 4

Buffy 6

Buffy 5

Buffy 2

Buffy 3

Buffy 1

Angel 1

Angel 2

Angel 3

Buffy 7

 

 

I can't rate Angel 4 and 5 yet, but I'm sure they're no where near the top.

 

Why do you rate season 3 of Angel so low? That season ruled, there was so much to it. Darla pregnent, Holtz coming back, Fred/Wes/Gunn love triangle, Connor being born, Holtz stealing Connor, Connor coming back, Connor screwing Angel over and sending him down to the bottom of the sea. Everything about the season was awesome, except for Cordy becoming a higher being because that was silly.

 

So, why do you rate the season so low? Especially putting Buffy season one above it, seeing how that season didn't have much to it at all.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

She's clearly nuts.

 

Clearly.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Mole that is a cool pic, but it's way too big to be in your sig.

[Mole 0]

Yeah I realized that when I put it in there.

 

So I just Paint Shop Prod it and resized it, since Photoshop got all fucked up so I got PSP.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

For Mole,

 

Doncha think thats a bit spoilerish? I mean, the shot is without Wes and Lorne so it may lead people to think "hey, where is Wes and Lorne."..." didn't they say someone would die?"

[Max Danger 0]

Wait, when did Angel have sex with Cordy?

[Guest JMA]

So, why do you rate the season so low? Especially putting Buffy season one above it, seeing how that season didn't have much to it at all.

Maybe I'm biased because I first started watching during season one, but it has a sort of charm to it. Everything seems so new and unexpected. Of course, that's to be expected from a first season.

 

The Master, Angel, Darla, the Old Ones, the weird monsters, ect, were all great ideas. I can watch season one over and over and never get tired of it. It's kind of a season to set things up, but it entertains me. I missed the lack of focus on VAMPIRES in the later seasons of Buffy.

 

Back to Angel. I really hope they do a montage preview showing ALL the important events from the beginning to the end. Like they did in the last episode of season five of Buffy.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

He didn't. However, when he was trying to become Angelus he went through a process where imagined a moment of happiness - which was banging the Cord.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Wait, when did Angel have sex with Cordy?

In Season 3 in the episode "Waiting in the Wings" while under a spell, but he didn't lose his soul.

 

In Season 4 they brought back Angelus to learn how to beat the Beast, but to remove his soul the spell made him enter an illusion in which Connor started accepting him, he killed the beast, and then had sex with Cordy, which caused him to lose his soul. Really it was the spell creating a false "true happiness" in order to work.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Yeah... or that.

 

*feels inadequate*

 

*builds skyscraper*

[Mole 0]

For Mole,

 

Doncha think thats a bit spoilerish? I mean, the shot is without Wes and Lorne so it may lead people to think "hey, where is Wes and Lorne."..." didn't they say someone would die?"

Eh, not really because that could be at anytime. That would be like saying that this photo from "Chosen" is a spoiler because people could be like "where is Anya?" But I see what you are saying. Once the screen caps from "Power Play" come out, I'm going to put the black thorn one up.

[Max Danger 0]

Did they really have sex in "Waiting in the Wings" though? I never looked at it as getting as far as insertion before Tragedy & Comedy broke up the fun.

[Guest Brian]

He didn't. However, when he was trying to become Angelus he went through a process where imagined a moment of happiness - which was banging the Cord.

I love that moment when Angelus wakes up. You know, all Angel's hopes and loves channeled into Angelus' memory, and angelus getting a whiff of that.

[Mole 0]

In Season 3 in the episode "Waiting in the Wings" while under a spell, but he didn't lose his soul.

He didn't have sex with Cordy then, atleast I don't believe so.

 

Now that means I have to watch the episode to prove myself right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

or wrong.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I had heard others say that they did, but it's been awhile since I've seen that episode so maybe they got close, but didn't.

 

No wait I know they did, because earlier this season in the episode "Life of the Party" after he had sex with Eve didn't she make a quip about how it wasn't the first time he's had sex under a spell?? Or maybe it was Angel that said it.

[Guest Brian]

I'm pretty sure they get there when they try to re-enact the love scene the last time before it's broken up. Although, Angel was possessed and that was an act of passion, so I don't know where that falls.

[Max Danger 0]

Well, I've been watching season three over again the last week, and I just watched the episode the other day, and it just didn't seem like they did, and even if they got started, there definitely wasn't enough time for Angel to finish, unless Cordy's bigger-than-Buffy's rack made him go quicker.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

What was the original point here ????

 

Oh yeah, Nina von Nipples...

 

Let's make with some pics

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Well, I've been watching season three over again the last week, and I just watched the episode the other day, and it just didn't seem like they did, and even if they got started, there definitely wasn't enough time for Angel to finish, unless Cordy's bigger-than-Buffy's rack made him go quicker.

Well in tonight's episode Angel looked at his watch and acted like he had finished quicker than he thought.

[Max Danger 0]

I think Eve was talking about it not being her first time having sex under a spell, since she also made the quip about going to UC-Berkeley.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Oh you're right. Dang I got mixed up.

[Mole 0]

So, why do you rate the season so low? Especially putting Buffy season one above it, seeing how that season didn't have much to it at all.

Maybe I'm biased because I first started watching during season one, but it has a sort of charm to it. Everything seems so new and unexpected. Of course, that's to be expected from a first season.

 

The Master, Angel, Darla, the Old Ones, the weird monsters, ect, were all great ideas. I can watch season one over and over and never get tired of it. It's kind of a season to set things up, but it entertains me. I missed the lack of focus on VAMPIRES in the later seasons of Buffy.

I started watching season one too. I watched all of season one this past summers with some friends who hadn't seen it and well, it was so damn corny.

 

Plus, some of the weird monsters weren't all that great. Here is each episode and the episode grade and the monster grade.

 

1. "Welcome to the Hellmouth" - Ep: A, Mon: A

2. "Harvest" - Ep: A, Mon: A

3. "The Witch" - Ep: A, Mon: B+

4. "Teacher's Pet" - Ep: C, Mon: D

5. "Never Kill a Boy on a First Date" - Ep: B, Mon: B

6. "The Pack" - Ep: B-, Mon: C+

7. "Angel" - Ep: A, Mon: A

8. "I, Robot -- You Jane" - Ep: D, Mon: F

9. "The Puppet Show" - Ep: B-, Mon: B-

10. "Nightmares" - Ep: B+, Mon: B

11. "Out of Mind, Out of Sight" - Ep: B, Mon: B

12. "Prophecy Girl" - Ep: A, Mon: A

 

Compared to another season, the episodes are just so much better. God damnit, now I have to go through each episode and grade them.

[Anya 0]

I just don't get how the credibility isn't there. They have been building this up for 5 seasons on Angel. And the heroes are facing a huge threat; the fuckin Senior Partners. They run the biggest law firm in the world, plus whatever the run in other dimensions and the fact that will ALWAYS be around.

 

 

The partners have incredible build, it's the Black Thorn that has none. They came out of no where! The whole idea is dumb and was was clearly made up at the last minute. We're supposed to believe that they've been around, controlling things the entire time and we are just now finding out about? Come on...

 

 

Also, tonight made last week's ep's placement look even worse. Two weeks ago Angel let that baby go and hinted at being evil. Last week he was suddenly back to being happy go lucky Buffy obsessed Angel. Then this week he's back to being cryptic and possibly evil. WTF?

 

 

 

I don't get how Buffy season 4 is your favorite season. They made the whole Adam thing an Apacolypse, when in fact it was no where near one. All Adam wanted to do was make a huge army of demons/human body parts, but where is the end of the world? If anything, them making a huge threat out of that isn't credible.

 

 

Adam is awesome and way more credible than this secret society, or Hamilton for that matter.

 

Adam was shown beating down Buffy. We saw him kick ass. We saw how powerful he was.

 

His grand plan may not have been about the end of the world(well, at least not right away) but at least it makes sense. What do we know about the Senior Partners apocolypse? Nothing.

 

The idea of an army of Adams walking around is a lot more intimidating than just "these are the guys in charge of the end of the world".

 

 

 

I don't understand how you put seasons of Angel so low on your list.

 

 

Because Buffy is better than Angel.

 

 

Also stuff being "so low" is relative. It's only low compared to other Buffyverse shows. I love both shows greatly. Season 3 of Angel is really cool. I just like other seasons more.

 

The exception is Buffy season 7 which frequently makes me really sad, angry and disappointed. Just thinking about some of the stuff in it, like what happens to Xander/Anya, gets me upset.

[Guest JMA]

1. "Welcome to the Hellmouth" - Ep: A, Mon: A

2. "Harvest" - Ep: A, Mon: A

3. "The Witch" - Ep: A, Mon: B+

4. "Teacher's Pet" - Ep: C, Mon: D

5. "Never Kill a Boy on a First Date" - Ep: B, Mon: B

6. "The Pack" - Ep: B-, Mon: C+

7. "Angel" - Ep: A, Mon: A

8. "I, Robot -- You Jane" - Ep: D, Mon: F

9. "The Puppet Show" - Ep: B-, Mon: B-

10. "Nightmares" - Ep: B+, Mon: B

11. "Out of Mind, Out of Sight" - Ep: B, Mon: B

12. "Prophecy Girl" - Ep: A, Mon: A

I don't happen to think it's corny. It's not really fair to compare the number of good episodes to that of another season because the first one only had twelve episodes. Based on the number of episodes it has, I think it's pretty damn good.

 

And Moloch should NOT receive an "F."

[Guest Brian]

The thing is, we've never known anything about the Senior Partner's plans. We don't know what this apocalypse is or when it's coming; we just know that Angel has a role in it. The idea's put force in this episode we're the same put forth in Season Two right before Angel fucks Darla; he can't win this battle, evil will always exist as long as people exist.

 

These guys, they're the real players. They've been putting the pieces together and have been waiting for the opportunity. Angel sees the world often in black and white (like Pylea) and often misses the fact that there are people laying the groundwork for bigger events, like Jasmine or Illyria. They're the guys pulling ther strings, and Angel knew it when he was conceding to them.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I think the thing about this Apocalypse is it's not some immidiate monster trying to end the world. It's the slow decay that's being allowed to happen under their nose. It's basically everything that has happened since the beginning.

 

The Apocalypse is the fact that the Senior Partners are getting or atleast almost got what they want. They tamed Angel and were slowly turning him by putting him in charge of WR&H. This season has been the Apocalypse, because if Angel hadn't wised up the Senior Partners eventually would have got what they wanted...absolute control.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Adam is awesome and way more credible than this secret society, or Hamilton for that matter.

 

Adam was shown beating down Buffy. We saw him kick ass. We saw how powerful he was.

 

And we HAVEN'T seen how powerful Hamilton is?

[Anya 0]

Hamilton is a bigger threat than that entire group, but he doesn't compare to Adam.

 

 

It's hard to take these guys as the real deal when they've just shown up and been mentioned for the first time. They're the major players because...? Lindsey said so? After all the things Buffy and Angel have faced over the years this group is really anti-climatic. Buffy has taken on a god before. After that a room full of monsters of the week just isn't all that intimidating, even if you do have someone mention that they're major players.

 

 

Also since when were the Senior Partners eternal and all that? Last I checked we didn't even know what they were. What EXACTLY are they? It's never made clear. I want to know how they connect to The First Evil too. They and FE sound almost exactly the same at times....