Ok for the last time Shane-O-Mac defenders...

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Wait, TSM still has Shane McMahon DEFENDERS?

[cawthon777 0]

"Ruined" might be a tad much.

[Guest Anglesault]

"Ruined" might be a tad much.

No, not at all.

 

Kane, unstoppable monster that has killed everyone from Austin to RVD, was "stopped" by Shane THREE TIMES on Raw, got his ass kicked in two of those encounters, got dominated by Shane at the PPV and only won because Shane made a mistake.

 

Kane is ruined.

[Guest Goodear]

This just the latest attempt that WWE has made in order to kill Kane dead. Seriously, has anyone ever been booked worse than Jacobs on a consistant basis? Crap on a stick, first the X-Pac feud then the necrophilia and now this... eek.

[notJames 0]

Mark Henry. Fucking a corpse rates only slightly less nauseating than fucking your sister… although it's probably comparable to fucking Mae Young.

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

"Ruined" might be a tad much.

No, not at all.

 

Kane, unstoppable monster that has killed everyone from Austin to RVD, was "stopped" by Shane THREE TIMES on Raw, got his ass kicked in two of those encounters, got dominated by Shane at the PPV and only won because Shane made a mistake.

 

Kane is ruined.

They could've done this with RVD, since he is an actual wrestler, but i guess Shane needs the push b/c people pay to see him........ kill himself.

[Guest Trivia247]

its sooo important to let Shane go out big and have Kane do little or nothing to stop him. By all account one Wrestling move should have ended him but NooOoOo He is the Shanester....... the Unstoppable McMahon....

 

least We hope and pray he is finally gone so Kane can get back to his Monster push

[Guest Anglesault]

least We hope and pray he is finally gone so Kane can get back to his Monster push

WAYYYYYY too late for that.

 

Shane ruined Kane. They need to regroup and think of a new direction.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Yup, kiss Goldberg/Kane goodbye.

 

SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE! SHANE!

 

Whatever.

[Guest Goodear]

Agreed, the might have been able to salvage it after the first chairing through the stage... but its three harmful segments too late after the pit o' fire, the elbow from last week, and the PPV debacle. As much as Kane has dominated RVD, Shane has dominated Kane and that is just wayyyyyyyyyy too bad since they had something with momentum for the first time in ages. But you can't have a big angle without a fucking McMahon... god damn it.

 

Once again, Linda proves her best McMahon lable by getting tombstoned and then never getting anywhere near Kane again.

[Guest Coffey]

The way I see it is like this: When people say that Shane McMahon is the "good McMahon," I don't read it like it's a compliment. I look at it like it's the lesser or four evils. Depending on current storylines and how many people are involved, sometimes I agree with the statement. Usually, however, I don't.

 

The best McMahon is no McMahon to me. Always will be. I remember on "Beyond the Mat" it was said the Vince McMahon became a wrestler due to "A shortage of heels." Well, the WWE definitely has enough heels (and babyfaces) right now, so there is no reason for any of them to be on TV. They are all just out to stroke their own ego's.

 

Regardless of what Kevin Kelly says on some B-rate radio show, Shane-o-Mac is out for himself. He could just sit and home and bang his wife. Instead, he comes out on TV, never helps any wrestler, takes a New Jack type dive and then wonders why the "boys" don't accept him.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

You know, because I have no use for RAW other than to cut it to pieces, I'm almost glad that Goldberg's potential first challenger has been neuteured. It shows once again the general ineptitude of the brand and it insipires apologistic comments (sorry, but the term fits like a motherfucking GLOVE in this case) such as this! And therefore I can laugh at them. Yes, I am that spiteful and petty.

[Anakin Flair 0]

RVD broke the rule- he talekd about the business on Radio, to the general public. Is it a stupid reason for a burial? Yes, but it happened. Shane had a gripe w/ Kane for the tombstone on mom, so Shane gets plugged in. Shane entertains the fans with his crazy shit. Just deal with it and move on.

[notJames 0]

You know, because I have no use for RAW other than to cut it to pieces, I'm almost glad that Goldberg's potential first challenger has been neuteured. It shows once again the general ineptitude of the brand and it insipires apologistic comments (sorry, but the term fits like a motherfucking GLOVE in this case) such as this! And therefore I can laugh at them. Yes, I am that spiteful and petty.

Damn, those Weinerboard posters definitely embody the spirit of their namesake. What a bunch of weiners. I especially loved this gem:

 

In my opinion Kane won, Shane took a crazy bump, and that's all that most people will remember weeks from now when Kane is facing Goldberg (or someone else).

 

If Kane had that much of a problem dealing with the Vince's pudgy gloryhog of a son, what chance does he have of beating F.G.B., who was able to shrug off a sledgehammer shot?

 

Stupid humans.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Damn, those Weinerboard posters definitely embody the spirit of their namesake. What a bunch of weiners.

Even me?

[notJames 0]

Especially you.

 

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

That's *exactly* the response I thought you'd give.

 

Good show

[NYU 0]

RVD broke the rule- he talekd about the business on Radio, to the general public. Is it a stupid reason for a burial? Yes, but it happened. Shane had a gripe w/ Kane for the tombstone on mom, so Shane gets plugged in. Shane entertains the fans with his crazy shit. Just deal with it and move on.

The plan was never for RVD/Kane at Unforgiven. Once Linda McMahon was tombstoned, the big feud for Kane WAS planned to be with Shane McMahon. I think the match was originally planned for SummerSlam, but to build up Kane's MONSTER STREAK, they decided to have him beat RVD. Then, once he was looking truly strong, they made him look like a bitch to Shane McMahon.

 

The idea was never to have RVD/Kane as the big blow-off feud. It was always for Kane/Shane since, in Vince's eyes, that is the $$$ MONEY MATCH $$$. RVD's comments had nothing to do with the plan - though it might have had to do with the official burying of him in that Raw Cage match.

Edited September 22, 2003 by OlympicHeroRVD

[Guest Anglesault]

RVD broke the rule- he talekd about the business on Radio, to the general public. Is it a stupid reason for a burial? Yes, but it happened. Shane had a gripe w/ Kane for the tombstone on mom, so Shane gets plugged in. Shane entertains the fans with his crazy shit. Just deal with it and move on.

Yeah, that's nice, but completely false. RVD was being buried and Shane was horning his useless ass in long before the radio interview.

 

But how does that explain why Shane had to manhandle Kane two shows in a row?

[Damaramu 0]

My question is will RVD ever get a chance to get his win back from Kane?Or win a match in a ppv?

No. That's why they are in the mess that they are in. Everyone has to "get there heat back" and trade wins to the point that nobody looks strong b/c everybody has beaten everybody.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

"RVD broke the rule- he talekd about the business on Radio, to the general public. Is it a stupid reason for a burial? Yes, but it happened."

 

1. The plan was never leading to RVD/KAne part 3...

 

2. Ok then...explain the first 2 years of RVD's use.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

The WWE apparently shot some "hospital footage" of Shane McMahon last night which should be aired on tonight's Raw. This will most likely be part of the update on Shane's condition. Despite the huge bump, it's unlikely that the WWE will keep Shane out of action for too long, since he's still scheduled to take on Kane at several upcoming Raw-Brand house shows.

 

 

Credit: wrestlingobserver.com

 

 

 

WOOOO!!!

[Bored 0]

Makes perfect sense...HHH is getting his job back at Survivor Series so Shane will get his back too.

 

Maybe Shane can lead the Orton's new stable after HHH's face turn. You know Vince is tempted to headline WrestleMania XX with his son and son-in-law.

[Guest Loss]

Kane's heel turn and reckless behavior thereafter should have been the angle to shoot both himself and RVD to the top. It hasn't quite worked out that way.

 

RVD losing to Kane several times is fine, as long as he finally changes his strategy and smartens up and figures out that he has to wrestle a different style and that Kane is his biggest challenge.

 

Fans would identify with his struggle, and watch him finally stop what was at one time unstoppable. It's the ultimate definition of "the chase" we hear fantasized about so much.

 

This requires RVD to actually wrestle like he has a strategy and requires creative to book long-term and with a straight face, so I don't see it happening.

[Guest deadbeater]

Reflexive dissing is just as bad as mindless marking out.

 

Shane fights the desparation style that you love from puroresu or ECW. If his last name was Benoit, Guerrero, Hart, Kawada or Toyota, many of you same netters would cream your pants. But no, since he is a McMahon, he is spawn of the devil, and serves to 'ruin' wrestlers by losing. If one of you non-wresters were fighting Kane, without using firearma, you would fight him almost exactly like Shane did.

[Damaramu 0]

Reflexive dissing is just as bad as mindless marking out.

 

Shane fights the desparation style that you love from puroresu or ECW. If his last name was Benoit, Guerrero, Hart, Kawada or Toyota, many of you same netters would cream your pants. But no, since he is a McMahon, he is spawn of the devil, and serves to 'ruin' wrestlers by losing. If one of you non-wresters were fighting Kane, without using firearma, you would fight him almost exactly like Shane did.

Yes because we know all the wrestlers you mentioned would wrestle the same style as Shane McMahon? That's so absurd.

Shane isn't a wrestler and therefore does not deserve to be in that ring. Nor does he deserve to be beating up a wrestler and basically beating him. He did ruin Kane by losing because KANE DIDN'T BEAT HIM. Shane beat himself. Did Kane ever even have him down for a 9 count? No but Shane got a few on Kane.

That was the most absurd post I've ever seen almost as bad as one of the most absurd and pointless matches I've EVER seen. It DID NOTHING for anybody but Shane McMahon. But he's the future of the company you know.

[Guest deadbeater]

Geez, I suppose there is no such thing as gallantry in vain anymore.

 

Kane assaulted Linda, so Shane tried to nobly fight back in her honor. Kane was reeling most of the match because he did something way wrong. That's what heels traditionally do when fighting a face with deep-seated personal revenge on his mind. Shane did too much, that's why he lost, yes.

 

Come to think of it, having Kane attack Linda was a bad bad move. That incident was an excuse to turn him into a garden-variety heel as Eric's command, instead of a true Frankenstein's monster doing nobody's bidding.

 

One also has to factor in that Kane was once Shane's best friend. Maybe Kane was hesitating because maybe he still had feelings for him. If the Linda incident was done differently, that hesitation during the Unforgiven match would fit perfectly into Kane's character pre-Linda tombstone.

Edited September 23, 2003 by deadbeater

[Damaramu 0]

WHAT? You're still attempting to justify it!? Look there is no way to justify it. Shane went out there and made the big bad Kane monster look like NOTHING.

[NYU 0]

One also has to factor in that Kane was once Shane's best friend. Maybe Kane was hesitating because maybe he still had feelings for him. If the Linda incident was done differently, that hesitation during the Unforgiven match would fit perfectly into Kane's character pre-Linda tombstone.

You're grasping at straws here, buddy. Even I have trouble remembering this. If I do, I can't imagine ONE person on the WWE Creative team that would remember Shane/Kane being friends at one point.

 

No, Kane didn't hesitate because he felt bad. If he felt bad, he wouldn't have tried to fry Shane's testicles with a battery. No, he just got his ass beat because Shane McMahon is part of the McMahon family, and therefore Superman. Just lazy, horrible booking that truly cannot be justified - so don't waste your time trying to do so. It's impossible.

[Guest Anglesault]

If one of you non-wresters were fighting Kane, without using firearma, you would fight him almost exactly like Shane did.

I'm fairly certain that if I went out there to fight Kane, he'd kill me.