~The Hate Game~

[Guest TheGame2705]

To me it makes no sense. Triple H hasn't changed much since his injury. I watch his stuff back from the 99-01 run and watch his stuff now and notice nothing different on his part.

 

His matches are worse now usually because look at who's he had in the ring with him. Besides Jericho and Shawn he's fought Hogan, Undertaker, RVD, Kane, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, Goldberg, and watered down Booker T. Back in his other run he was fighting with The Rock constantly, had matches with Austin, Benoit, and Jericho.

 

Maybe his matches might be of the same caliber if his opponents were. He never had the flashiest moveset but that was all he had to worry about. From his comeback he's had to deal with worrying about if RSloppyD was gonna hurt him like he did, if Booker was gonna hurt himself which he did, how many times Kane is going to blow a move which he did several times, how to make the same belly to belly suplex look painful over 15 minutes, how to work a match around a guy who can hardly walk, and worry about if Goldberg was going to near-decapitate him too for over two mos.

 

People complain about he's not over either. Well duh. I see you've enjoyed your subscription to the namesake journal. Let's try and get over on calling black people inferior and frotting around with a manequin in a casket wearing a Kane mask. Let's see how much people care about you when you're having guys decide who has bigger muscles, you or Scott Roider. People won't hate you either if you roll with Rip Van Winkle and Orton. He isn't as over as he was in 99-01 but he's still over. He still gets boos. You can't deny those. People were given credible reasons to hate/like him. "Hey this Olympic guy wants to screw with my wife I'm gonna beat his ass" or "I just stole this guy's wife and now I'm gonna beat up her dad".

[AndrewTS 0]

Yeah, I'm sure HHH has absolutely no choice in what his opponents are. Good wrestlers can drag a passable match out of the worst opponents.

 

By the way, the matches with RVD and Steiner sucking were partially his fault, because he wrestled in a manner to expose RVD rather than make him look good, and just bumped for Steiner instead of taking over on offense to save the match.

 

As for the choice of angles he was in, don't tell me he had no control over that either.

 

However, other than his pay per view matches, I don't know how he's been wrestling and I honestly don't care. I'm so sick of him that if he wrestled great matches now I wouldn't give a shit.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Yeah, I'm sure HHH has absolutely no choice in what his opponents are. Good wrestlers can drag a passable match out of the worst opponents.

 

By the way, the matches with RVD and Steiner sucking were partially his fault, because he wrestled in a manner to expose RVD rather than make him look good, and just bumped for Steiner instead of taking over on offense to save the match.

 

As for the choice of angles he was in, don't tell me he had no control over that either.

 

However, other than his pay per view matches, I don't know how he's been wrestling and I honestly don't care. I'm so sick of him that if he wrestled great matches now I wouldn't give a shit.

He more or less doesn't. He's fought the flavors of the month and whoever else in on RAW. He can't fight Jericho because they're both heels, Benoit and Angle are on SD, Austin's retired, and Rock is gone.

 

His match with RVD sucking was his fault because he exposed him? You're supposed to wrestle your style not the other person's just to make them look good. It's not his fault that RVD can't do anything but jump around. If the two styles don't mesh it's no one's fault. It's a styles clash.

 

I will admit the Steiner match was just plain bad because they played the stereotypical roles in reverse. A heel got put in a bearhug. Steiner took the majority of the match.

 

I do think he has some say in creative but I don't see how anyone would suggest or be ok with the necrophilia angle besides the two Vinces.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I think what bugs me most about him is that he's getting his 99-01 God push...even though he's not half as over as a hell as he was back then.

 

His matches haven't been as good since the injury. Maybe with better workers; aka, Smackdown workers, he might do better.

[Guest thrall585]

The necrophilia angle was not offensive, it was humerous and entertaining, however it buried Kane, so it was a bad thing to do.

[razazteca 0]

Out of the current group of people HHH has wrestled only Kane, Jericho, HBK looked good. Now that is a huge difference than the classics that HHH has had in the past with Foley, Austin, Rock.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

HHH will always be a jealous bitch because he uses politics to bury somebody who gets more over than he does. HHH is a spotlight hugger. Fuck him.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The necrophilia angle was not offensive, it was humerous and entertaining, however it buried Kane, so it was a bad thing to do.

It also lowered ratings by about 1.0 overnight. Of all the single moments the WWE has done since the beginning of Attitude, only giving Hogan the title at Backlash 2002 was more damaging.

[Youth N Asia 0]

The necrophilia angle was not offensive, it was humerous and entertaining, however it buried Kane, so it was a bad thing to do.

I think you're the minority here. I thought it was painfully unwatchable

[Guest Anglesault]

Yeah, I'm sure HHH has absolutely no choice in what his opponents are.  Good wrestlers can drag a passable match out of the worst opponents. 

 

By the way, the matches with RVD and Steiner sucking were partially his fault, because he wrestled in a manner to expose RVD rather than make him look good, and just bumped for Steiner instead of taking over on offense to save the match.

 

As for the choice of angles he was in, don't tell me he had no control over that either.

 

However, other than his pay per view matches, I don't know how he's been wrestling and I honestly don't care.  I'm so sick of him that if he wrestled great matches now I wouldn't give a shit.

He more or less doesn't. He's fought the flavors of the month and whoever else in on RAW. He can't fight Jericho because they're both heels, Benoit and Angle are on SD, Austin's retired, and Rock is gone.

You should also remember his horrible series of matches with Angle from early 2002 and his subpar Jericho series from the same time.

[Guest thrall585]

>>The necrophilia angle was not offensive, it was humerous and entertaining, however it buried Kane, so it was a bad thing to do.

>It also lowered ratings by about 1.0 overnight.

 

Actually the ratings stayed the same overall, and the Raw that had a "huge drop" actually only dropped by .3

[Guest thrall585]

The necrophilia angle was not offensive, it was humerous and entertaining, however it buried Kane, so it was a bad thing to do. 

 

I think you're the minority here. I thought it was painfully unwatchable

 

I don't know what you are talking about:

 

From Raw on 10/21/02: After Kane got Katie Vick killed, he decides to visit her in a funeral home and never had a chance to tell her how much he loved her, so he has sex with her. And he literally screws her brains out.

From Raw on 10/28/02: HHH and a coffin open the show up and HHH opens up the casket to interview Katie Vick (dead for 11 years Katie Vick). And then a Hurricane segment comes on that pisses off Triple H so he beats up the deceased Katie Vick.

 

It was very stupid but it was so over the top that it was gold.

Edited September 28, 2003 by thrall585

[Guest Anglesault]

The necrophilia angle was not offensive, it was humerous and entertaining, however it buried Kane, so it was a bad thing to do. 

 

I think you're the minority here. I thought it was painfully unwatchable

 

I don't know what you are talking about:

 

From Raw on 10/21/02: After Kane got Katie Vick killed, he decides to have sex with her. And then literally screws her brains out.

From Raw on 10/28/02: HHH and a coffin open the show up and HHH opens up the casket to interview Katie Vick (dead for 11 years Katie Vick). And then a Hurricane segment comes on that pisses off Triple H so he beats up the deceased Katie Vick.

 

It was very stupid but it was so over the top that it was gold.

It was very funny in a "what the fuck" sort of way, but not really entertaining: I have no desire to see anything like it again.

[Guest TheGame2705]

I think what bugs me most about him is that he's getting his 99-01 God push...even though he's not half as over as a hell as he was back then.

 

His matches haven't been as good since the injury. Maybe with better workers; aka, Smackdown workers, he might do better.

Read the above post. You're probably the top person in the WWE folder who annoys me.

[Guest TheGame2705]

HHH will always be a jealous bitch because he uses politics to bury somebody who gets more over than he does. HHH is a spotlight hugger. Fuck him.

Because no one else has used politics *cough*Ric Flair*cough*...Gee I think I'm gonna get a glass of water. I feel a big coughing fit coming on

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Because no one else has used politics *cough*Ric Flair*cough*

 

Ric Flair didn't bang his boss's daughter

[Guest JMA]

Sign. Smarks bashing smarks. It's even more cliche than HHHate.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Sign. Smarks bashing smarks. It's even more cliche than HHHate.

Irony is in style.

[Guest JMA]

Sign. Smarks bashing smarks. It's even more cliche than HHHate.

Irony is in style.

I find the "I'm-not-a-smark-but-I'm-posting-here-to-tell-you-how-wrong-you-are-about-everything" types to be the more annoying of the two.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

The "Katie Vick" angle made me change the channel to Trading Spaces. I NEVER watch that show unless I'm home on a Saturday night with my parents (Paige Davis makes me want to kill).

 

HHH's matches post-injury, for the most part (I actually LIKED the RVD match, oddly enough), haver been subpar. He used to not only bust his ass off in the ring (I believe his string of very good matches actually started with his Ladder Match against Rock at SummerSlam '98, personally), but also make his opponents look good at all costs. He USED to be the kind of worker that knew making every opponent he faced, from The Rock to Brooklyn Brawler, look good made the company look good to the eyes of the fans, enabling an "anything can happen" feeling (if I tuned in to see a former WWF Champion, or current WWF Champion, being beaten down by a known jobber, I'd be like "WHOA, I'M WATCHING THIS," and forget what else I was watching).

 

Now? He jobs to his friends, or the new top guy if nothing else is possible. He makes his opponents constantly look like shit. He fucks the boss's daughter, attends booking meetings (while kicking other workers out), and tells OTHER workers (ie. ones that have been doing their craft, and doing it better than HHH could possibly hope to do his, for longer than HHH) how to work.

 

HHH went from "The Game" to "Change-The-Channel Guy."

[Use Your Illusion 0]

HHH will always be a jealous bitch because he uses politics to bury somebody who gets more over than he does. HHH is a spotlight hugger. Fuck him.

*Yawn*

[Jobber of the Week 0]

HHH hating was really only a smark thing at first. People thought it would be nice if HHH would lay down for Jericho at X8, but nobody really thought he would. The "smartest man in wrestling" bit was being used repeatedly already though. Going over Jericho AGAIN in the Hell In A Cell at Judgment Dayreally started the hating thing up though.

 

It really hasn't let up from there. I think more people hopped on the HHH hating wagon when Bischoff named Hunter the guy he needed to win the Monday Night Wars, and by the time the Big Gold Belt was introduced the train was already going.

 

Really, the hating has kind of tuckered out a bit, because there's so very few who had the energy to keep bitching all the way through that insane title reign.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

HHHating was really only a bps21 thing at first.

 

Everyone else took a while to catch up.

 

Be sure to look to me for the newest and latest craze.

 

...

 

I TOLD YOU ALL.

[Guest deadbeater]

Molly can have a good match with a broomstick--wait, she had matches with Stacy, who is both stiffer than and thinner than, a broomstick. Why can't Trips?

[KTID 0]

...no, she can't.

[godthedog 0]

well, molly could do certain things with a broomstick that flair couldn't which could make the match a lot more entertaining...

[AndrewTS 0]

HHH hating was really only a smark thing at first. People thought it would be nice if HHH would lay down for Jericho at X8, but nobody really thought he would. The "smartest man in wrestling" bit was being used repeatedly already though. Going over Jericho AGAIN in the Hell In A Cell at Judgment Dayreally started the hating thing up though.

Yup.

 

*Points to sig*

 

It was pointless. If you're having a feud, the heel should look strong up until the blowoff and the face should win the blowoff.

 

Not only did first-heel-champ-to-walk-out-of-Mania-with-the-belt win at Mania, he won at JD too. (I think you can omit the Hogan feud and cup of tea with the title, since the feud continued right after that). Pointless except to make Jericho look like a bitch. Not that having to play second fiddle to Steph and not being treated like a real champ didn't ruin Jericho already.

 

They did the same shit they did with Show's reign, and had his title defenses in the middle of the TV shows, and he couldn't win any without a belt shot or interference, even the lowliest of jobbers.

 

If your the champ, either you should be treated like one or not even bother. The smarks begged for Jericho as champ, but when you ask Satan for something, you'll get it in the worst possible way.

Edited September 28, 2003 by AndrewTS

[chaosrage 0]

The necrophilia angle was not offensive, it was humerous and entertaining, however it buried Kane, so it was a bad thing to do. 

 

I think you're the minority here. I thought it was painfully unwatchable

 

I don't know what you are talking about:

 

From Raw on 10/21/02: After Kane got Katie Vick killed, he decides to visit her in a funeral home and never had a chance to tell her how much he loved her, so he has sex with her. And he literally screws her brains out.

From Raw on 10/28/02: HHH and a coffin open the show up and HHH opens up the casket to interview Katie Vick (dead for 11 years Katie Vick). And then a Hurricane segment comes on that pisses off Triple H so he beats up the deceased Katie Vick.

 

It was very stupid but it was so over the top that it was gold.

The funniest part about the whole thing was HHH talking to the doll, then going into a shoot on smarks. "katie, a lot of people were seriously offended, well i've got something to say to them ::throws doll down:: IF YOU WERE SERIOUSLY OFFENDED, I SERIOUSLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN! I DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT!" That made me lol.

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

Sign. Smarks bashing smarks. It's even more cliche than HHHate.

Irony is in style.

That's not irony, Alanis.

[KTID 0]

The funniest part about the whole thing was HHH talking to the doll, then going into a shoot on smarks. "katie, a lot of people were seriously offended, well i've got something to say to them ::throws doll down:: IF YOU WERE SERIOUSLY OFFENDED, I SERIOUSLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN! I DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT!" That made me lol.

 

 

Erm...what?