"RVD will never win the Heavyweight title, but..."

[NYU 0]

So now that was a bad match and the crowd wasn't poping their asses off?

 

 

I swear to christ, that guy could lift off and fly like superman and you'd say it wasn't anythings special.

It was a bad match, sorry to say. I happen to like Christian, but this match was tedious. It looks real good in comparison to EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE SHOW, but it is RAW. Just because the rest of the show is unmitigated crap and one match is mediocre, it doesn't suddenly mean that the mediocre match is great.

 

The crowd was on their hands for the VAST majority of the match (a COMMON problem for Robbie boy's matches) and this "massive" pop at the end of the match only illustrates how much the crowd doesn't care about the WWE now, as the pop for that win would have seen borderline muted just two years ago.

 

It was the usual RVD match. Spot --- stall --- spot. It wasn't even a very good ladder match --- and I'm f'n sick of ladder matches.

-=Mike

You sound so petty and biased right now, it's pathetic. I don't know where to start so I'll just say: You're wrong. Your obvious RVD-hate has blinded you from seeing that the fans were going crazy last night, no one in the front rows were even sitting during the match, and the pop at the end was the loudest one I heard since Shawn Michaels won the Elimination Chamber - nearly a year ago.

 

But go ahead, keep making posts that make absolutely no sense and totally distort the truth. It's what you do EVERYTIME someone mentions RVD, isn't it?

[Ripper 0]

So now that was a bad match and the crowd wasn't poping their asses off?

 

 

I swear to christ, that guy could lift off and fly like superman and you'd say it wasn't anythings special.

It was a bad match, sorry to say. I happen to like Christian, but this match was tedious. It looks real good in comparison to EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE SHOW, but it is RAW. Just because the rest of the show is unmitigated crap and one match is mediocre, it doesn't suddenly mean that the mediocre match is great.

 

The crowd was on their hands for the VAST majority of the match (a COMMON problem for Robbie boy's matches) and this "massive" pop at the end of the match only illustrates how much the crowd doesn't care about the WWE now, as the pop for that win would have seen borderline muted just two years ago.

 

It was the usual RVD match. Spot --- stall --- spot. It wasn't even a very good ladder match --- and I'm f'n sick of ladder matches.

-=Mike

But if they did a bump and poped right back up, would you have been happy? Well then they wouldn't have been selling and blah, blah, blah. EVERY LADDER MATCH EVER WAS SPOT STALL SPOT STALL. ALL OF THEM. It is a match that is suppose to sell the damage being done to their bodies.

[Guest The Old Me]

I have no faith for the WWE to do anything useful with RVD at the ME level. Even if they ever gave him the title, it would be short rain, unless he started drawing like crazy from day 1.

[Guest MikeSC]

  You sound so petty and biased right now, it's pathetic. I don't know where to start so I'll just say: You're wrong.

 

Your obvious RVD-hate has blinded you from seeing that the fans were going crazy last night, no one in the front rows were even sitting during the match

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and the pop at the end was the loudest one I heard since Shawn Michaels won the Elimination Chamber - nearly a year ago.

 

But go ahead, keep making posts that make absolutely no sense and totally distort the truth. It's what you do EVERYTIME someone mentions RVD, isn't it?

Hmm, just checking, you bitch and moan that I don't "back up my claims". Love hypocrisy, don't you?

 

Watch the match --- because I am actually rewatching it as I type --- and the crowd is on its hands for the vast majority of it. Nobody in the front row is sitting during the match? Hmm, RVD is now looking for the ladder and the front row is on its hands and in their seats. Somersault plancha onto the ladder outside? Spinning legdrop onto Christian on the ladder? Not much noise. Are they doing that idiotic pointing at themselves thing? Here and there, no argument. A quiet "Holy S***" chant, but no real pop whatsoever for it. Hmm, Scorpion Death Drop? Not exactly SRO on that front row there.

 

Let's stay in the same zip code as reality, shall we?

 

And why don't we stop fellating the man?

-=Mike

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

Like many WWE fans, I am not a wrestling purist. While I do care for pscyhology and logic etc., I probably couldn't tell a great seller from an ok seller.

 

I like watching RVD in the ring because he is different, has great flexibility and and is great as a face. WWE has relied on this for too long now and neglected any character development for RVD, as well as decent angles.

 

So it has come to the point where fans are tiring for his in-ring act (he is still over, do not get me wrong) because they have no reason for him to care whether he wins the match or not - WWE expects us to cheer him just because he is RVD.

 

So I say give him a good, interesting angle and what happens in the ring will take care for itself. Whether some in WWE actually want RVD to rise to the top is another thing.

[Guest RollingSambos]

TheMikeSC is full of shit.

 

He obviously doesn't WANT the fans to have been going crazy, so he studies the tape for little 30-second interludes of quiet and claims that the crowd wasn't white-hot.

 

No, it wasn't Rock vs. Hogan levels, but anybody who was watching the show last night can still see straight through your bullshit. I don't even mind trolls, but I hate these blatant liars that are polluting the board lately...

 

If you didn't like the match, fine. That's a matter of opinion, although it shows that you are way too smarky and can't just be entertained. But the crowd? This is not even a matter of opinion. The crowd was white, white hot. Period.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

When are you people going to learn that when Game and MikeSC start posting in WWE threads it's best to ignore them.

 

The crowd was silent on Mike's TV because he cupped his hands over his ears and said "I can't hear it! I can't hear it!"

[Guest JMA]

When are you people going to learn that when Game and MikeSC start posting in WWE threads it's best to ignore them.

 

The crowd was silent on Mike's TV because he cupped his hands over his ears and said "I can't hear it! I can't hear it!"

Agreed. The RVD haters will find ANYTHING to complain about. It's sad really. At least the HHHaters can admit when Hunter has a good match...

[Guest MikeSC]

TheMikeSC is full of shit.

 

He obviously doesn't WANT the fans to have been going crazy, so he studies the tape for little 30-second interludes of quiet and claims that the crowd wasn't white-hot.

 

No, it wasn't Rock vs. Hogan levels, but anybody who was watching the show last night can still see straight through your bullshit. I don't even mind trolls, but I hate these blatant liars that are polluting the board lately...

 

If you didn't like the match, fine. That's a matter of opinion, although it shows that you are way too smarky and can't just be entertained. But the crowd? This is not even a matter of opinion. The crowd was white, white hot. Period.

Why don't you take off your "RVD RULZ! ECW!" blinders off and face a few facts?

 

RVD is a mediocre -- at best --- worker. His ladder match w/ Christian was hardly great (think about this --- if Christian WON --- would you still be praising it?). You're one of the tools who probably thought that Rock v Hogan at WM X-8 was great.

 

I can very much be entertained. I enjoy most of SD most weeks. I find Jericho endlessly amusing. I liked several ladder matches in the past, including RVD v Eddy.

 

THIS match was bad. It was Hardy v UT bad. And the crowd was hardly white-hot, much as you wish to believe otherwise.

-=Mike

[Guest JMA]

Why don't you take off your "RVD RULZ! ECW!" blinders off and face a few facts?

 

RVD is a mediocre -- at best --- worker. His ladder match w/ Christian was hardly great (think about this --- if Christian WON --- would you still be praising it?). You're one of the tools who probably thought that Rock v Hogan at WM X-8 was great.

 

I can very much be entertained. I enjoy most of SD most weeks. I find Jericho endlessly amusing. I liked several ladder matches in the past, including RVD v Eddy.

 

THIS match was bad. It was Hardy v UT bad. And the crowd was hardly white-hot, much as you wish to believe otherwise.

-=Mike

Why don't you get your ego in check and stop generalizing people who disagree with you as being RVD marks. YOU'RE the one who needs to face facts. The match wasn't bad. There were no blown spots (like there are in some ladder matches), RVD selled good, the crowd heat was great, and the ending made the match worthwhile.

[2GOLD 0]

Yes, I would be praising it cause it was fun. I know it has been such a long time since RAW has BEEN fun but the match was just pure fun. Screw who won, the guys laid it all on the line and made RAW fun.

 

Hell, when RVD missed the frog splash I thought Christian had won the match. Well wow, something unexpected happens on RAW instead of cookie cutter ending.

 

As for the crowd? The fact that RVD and Christian even woke them up after RAW shoved them into a coma with such great matches as OVW job boys vs La dead gimmick, JR living out his redneck fantasy, and Mark Henry is an accomplishment in itself.

 

15 minutes, excellent moves, unexpected ending, guys selling pain and a title change. That works for me.

[Guest MikeSC]

Why don't you take off your "RVD RULZ! ECW!" blinders off and face a few facts?

 

RVD is a mediocre -- at best --- worker. His ladder match w/ Christian was hardly great (think about this --- if Christian WON --- would you still be praising it?). You're one of the tools who probably thought that Rock v Hogan at WM X-8 was great.

 

I can very much be entertained. I enjoy most of SD most weeks. I find Jericho endlessly amusing. I liked several ladder matches in the past, including RVD v Eddy.

 

THIS match was bad. It was Hardy v UT bad. And the crowd was hardly white-hot, much as you wish to believe otherwise.

                -=Mike

Why don't you get your ego in check and stop generalizing people who disagree with you as being RVD marks. YOU'RE the one who needs to face facts. The match wasn't bad. There were no blown spots (like there are in some ladder matches), RVD selled good, the crowd heat was great, and the ending made the match worthwhile.

RVD's inepititude in the ring hardly affects my ego, personally. If it does for you, so be it.

 

There were no blown spots. Correct. The match STILL was plodding and slow. "RVD selled good"? Well, I'll overlook the almost comical phrasing here and ask you in what alternate universe he "selled good" in? "Oooh, I hurt, I hurt --- now I'll jump the top rope and splash you --- now I'm hurting again". My God, I've seen Tanaka/Awesome with better selling.

 

The ending made it worthwhile? What, Rob winning? Takes more than that to wow me.

-=Mike

[Guest TheGame2705]

I don't even mind the guy. All I was arguing were possible points from Vince's perspective and that just because you're over doesn't mean you deserve a world title. Then all these people start saying I'm a blind RVD hater and that he's so mega over and is being screwed. Man, shut the fuck up and go piss on HHH posters.

 

Agreed. The RVD haters will find ANYTHING to complain about. It's sad really. At least the HHHaters can admit when Hunter has a good match...

Oh really? And there's only concrete reasons to hate HHH? Right

 

When are you people going to learn that when Game and MikeSC start posting in WWE threads it's best to ignore them.

I've seen tripe out of Mike but I know it's impossible to argue with you as you never back up any arguments with anything besides insults. You're almost Johnson and Sass levels when it comes to "I'm right, you're wrong".

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Um...Game...

 

You back up opinions with innacuracies.

 

Did you ever notice that you can't make a post without people calling you stupid and getting into an argument?

 

Mike's just really stuck up...you, on the other hand...

 

well...this isn't NHB.

[Ripper 0]

I still remember my argument with mike about a year and a half ago where I went through each Lynn/RVD match, pointed out the psychology that he claims didn't exist to the point that his answer was "WHATEVER...that match sucked" so arguing with him is pointless.

 

Game, you don't have a point. You keep naming people that are mildly over, yet you haven't named anyone that has been over to the degree that RVD has that DIDN't have a title at sometime...okay, maybe Jake the Snake Roberts, but noone seeing as that was before your time, I know you can't even use that example.

 

The guy sells merchandise, he is over, he can entertain MOST of the fans (there will always be some that sit there and say "He didn't hold his ankle 5 minutes longer...this match is trash) with consistantly entertaining matchs, has the stamina to go in long matches, is not injury prone, has the look....what else is it in your eyes that makes someone a credible title contender? What reason is there NOT to push the guy.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Let it go man.

 

You'll get nowhere.

 

Although maybe he'll point out that RVD busted some people open TWO YEARS ago and injured HHH...which I think everyone on the roster can claim as HHH is very brittle.

 

All while ignoring HHH KOing Angle on a table and not realizing that HHH isn't completely perfect.

[2GOLD 0]

At this point, TOUCHING Triple H seems to injury him.

I'd like to know what happened to his body.

[Guest thrall585]

RVD vs a main event heel "Calm down dude", makes main event heel look bad.

I guess he needs to develop the "I'm going to beat your ass!" mic skills.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Here's the bottomline...and it's something that Game and Mike will deny just because they don't like it...

 

Since coming to the WWE over 2 years ago...when has RVD been in a main event match and NOT gotten the crowd into it and loud as hell?

 

The only one that comes close was his title shot against HHH on RAW from Buffalo this year...but even then when Bisch restarted the match and they gave the impression that RVD could actually win...the crowd was on their feet screaming for him.

 

HE's been depushed and has had precisely ZERO character development in that entire time.

[Ripper 0]

RVD vs a main event heel "Calm down dude", makes main event heel look bad.

I guess he needs to develop the "I'm going to beat your ass!" mic skills.

ANyone that watched a ECW promo knows that the guy can cut a promo. I think he can't work well with stupid lines.

 

Pissed off RVD from last year in the magical disappearing Jerhico World Title fued was perfectly fine.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

That mini feud involved the best RVD booked segment in his WWE tenure.

 

The show after RVD almost beat Jericho...Jericho cuts a promo and RVD comes out to interupt with a mic...

 

and instead of trading words...he just jumps in the ring and kicks the crap out of Jericho.

 

That feud really needed Jericho winning the rematch that never happened.

[Ripper 0]

Let it go man.

 

You'll get nowhere.

 

Although maybe he'll point out that RVD busted some people open TWO YEARS ago and injured HHH...which I think everyone on the roster can claim as HHH is very brittle.

 

All while ignoring HHH KOing Angle on a table and not realizing that HHH isn't completely perfect.

Even though he brings up angle getting a CUT when Angle basically has basically retired Hardcore Holly with a arrant moonsault?

 

Okay...we won't mention that no one is perfect in the sport that you SWING AT EACH OTHERS FACES for a living.

[Guest thrall585]

If RVD is so loved by the fans, how come his segments don't draw monster ratings?

[Ripper 0]

That mini feud involved the best RVD booked segment in his WWE tenure.

 

The show after RVD almost beat Jericho...Jericho cuts a promo and RVD comes out to interupt with a mic...

 

and instead of trading words...he just jumps in the ring and kicks the crap out of Jericho.

 

That feud really needed Jericho winning the rematch that never happened.

But...RVD wreslting Test as the curtain jerker match and Jerhico going against ROCK...or Austin...I can't remember...again while never mentioning the RVD incident again was the natural progression of the fued.

 

...

 

 

Right?

[Ripper 0]

If RVD is so loved by the fans, how come his segments don't draw monster ratings?

Do they lose ratings?

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Exactly who draws monster ratings again?

 

I think if you break it down Angle and Brock do terrible ratings and they are always in the traditionally highest rated segments.

 

I don't doubt that the fans like them.

[bob_barron 0]

It's pointless arguing over whether RVD is the next Nathan Jones or the next Ric Flair.

 

The man is over despite not being pushed.

The man was insanely over when he was being pushed.

 

So....

 

PUSH HIM

[Guest Choken One]

well Kane drew monster ratings until Shane's ego got involved and that went down the shitter...

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Thank you bob.

 

It almost sounds too simple.

[Ripper 0]

well Kane drew monster ratings until Shane's ego got involved and that went down the shitter...

Wouldn't exactly call them monster ratings...

 

Although I am intrested to see what the overrun did last night, seeing as the Bears game was pretty much a forgone conclusion by then.