President brute forces Do Not Call into law

[Cartman 0]

^ Smart Man.

 

I'd also like to endorse the fact that the idea of Al Queda being almost non-existant now is just insane. ANYONE who believes this needs to get their heads checked.

 

Also. Economy may be recovering, but all it coest was 300+ american soldiers' lives, and about 3000 american citizens as well. Afterall we have the elder Bush to thank for the mess we got involved in over in the Mid-East. I have said it a hundred times and I will keep saying it...

 

If it wasn't for the fact that the area over there was very valuable to this country, we wouldn't have gotten involved in the first place...and we shouldn't have. They hate us now and always will, and rightfully so. The powermonger greed machine known as the United States has made it's bed, and eventually it will have to lay it it too.

[Papacita 0]

Err...admittedly, I haven't been paying too much attention to this issue, and I'm not totally sure how these things work, but did Bush just overule a Supreme Court decision? And if so, since when has the president had the power to do such a thing?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Birthdates of 12/45 and 12/48, so they were Baby Boomers (though hardly the stereotypical ones as they never attended a protest in their lives).

For a stereotype to exist, there need to be a majority. And not just in your head.

 

And incest humor. Wow, that's new.

[DARRYLXWF 0]

Also. Economy may be recovering, but all it coest was 300+ american soldiers' lives, and about 3000 american citizens as well.

 

So it was Bush's fault that 9/11 occurred?

 

If it wasn't for the fact that the area over there was very valuable to this country, we wouldn't have gotten involved in the first place...and we shouldn't have. They hate us now and always will, and rightfully so. The powermonger greed machine known as the United States has made it's bed, and eventually it will have to lay it it too.

 

There seems to be some mythical idea going around that every Iraqi believes that the US have made things worse for them than Saddam had. I've given this link before, but I should obviously give it again.

 

http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.176...icle_detail.asp

 

This shows the results of the first scientific poll conducted in Iraq, post Saddam era. It shows a few things:

 

1.

* Iraqis are optimistic. Seven out of ten say they expect both their country and their personal lives will be better five years from now. On both fronts, 32 percent say things will become MUCH better.

 

2.

* Asked to name one country they would most like Iraq to model its new government on, after being offered five possibilities—neighbor and fellow Baathist republic Syria, neighbor and Islamic monarchy Saudi Arabia, neighbor and Islamist republic Iran, Arab lodestar Egypt, or the U.S.—the most popular model by far was the U.S. The U.S. was preferred as a model by 37 percent of Iraqis selecting from those five—more than neighboring Syria plus neighboring Iran plus Egypt, all put together. Saudi Arabia was in second place at 28 percent.

 

Again, there were important demographic splits. Younger adults are especially favorable toward the U.S., and Shiites are more admiring than Sunnis. Interestingly, Iraqi Shiites, who are co-religionists with Iranians, do not admire Iran’s Islamist government; the U.S. is six times more popular with them as a model for governance.

[Guest MikeSC]

Bin Laden was a figurehead for Al Qaeda. He was responsible for 9/11 and, afterwards, we were practically promised his head on a stick. And what happened ? We have some of the most techonologically advanced military equipment in the world, and we couldn't find a man hiding out in the mountains. It's ridiculous. If Bush didn't make it such a point that we would bring this evildoer to justice, this would be a moot point. But the way it is, he made a promise and didn't come through. And Al Qaeda is all but dead ? Awfully big statement to make. No one can predict the future, and no one can truly tell what is going on in Saudi Arabia right now anyway. But *hyuk*, troops captured a whole bunch of dem dere Arab folks, we must be safe. Yes, he did catch terrorists but it is FOOLISH to say that this terrorist cell is all but dead. Extremely foolish.

 

Time for a little news flash: Finding ONE MAN in a MOUNTAINOUS region FILLED WITH PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT AND WILL HIDE HIM is a wee bit on the difficult side. Nobody in the administration EVER promised Osama's "Head on a stick". They promised that Al Qaeda would be effectively dismantled and its ability to commit acts of terrorism again -- and lo and behold, it's been done. Shocking.

 

Al Qaeda's top leaders are almost all dead or in our custody. But, if paranoia trumps facts in your head, continue to believe that Al Qaeda can get us.

 

Same idea here. Don't promise me Saddam's head on a silver platter, and I won't be pissed off. But we were promised Saddam and once again, it hasn't been delivered. What HAS been delivered is a whole bunch of dead Americans and a whole bunch of ungrateful, disrespectful Iraqis. Not to mention the disgust of the rest of the world for going through with a war that nobody even agreed with, including half of the U.S. ! This war in Iraq has done us absolutely no favors, cost us billions and billions of dollars, and the rebuilding is now going on with pretty much no end in sight. *clap* *clap* Great job, Mr. President.

 

Again, can you attribute a SINGLE quote to a SINGLE administration official stating that we'd kill Saddam? Heck, we killed his sons and they were a bigger concern. The GOVERNMENT never said "We'll kill Saddam", contrary to what you think.

 

Oh, and a bunch of "ungrateful, disrespectful Iraqis". That's like saying that evey student in the 1970's vigorously opposed the Vietnam War. It is hardly the case. There are some, but most support us --- even though they do resent the troops having to be there. Nobody likes to feel as if they're being occupied, even if it's better than their previous alternative.

 

But, as always, let the world suffer if it possibly is less than convenient for us to fix a problem we can fix.

 

And rebuilding a country isn't quick. Germany and Japan weren't rebuilt quickly. We can do it QUICKLY --- or we can do it RIGHT. If we do it quickly, we'll just have headaches in the future and the people of Iraq will be served poorly by it.

 

We found Hitler's burned body, and have been assured that he will never wreak havoc on the world again. Bin Laden and Hussein are still at large. Though both look to be powerless, nobody knows if they could be preparing for an attack on a larger scale. Difference again.

 

Actually, the Soviets found Hitler. We NEVER did and we have never run tests on the alleged remains to the best of my knowledge to determine if what the Soviets had WAS Adolf's body. I doubt we care, as them being his remains are the perfect ending to the conflict and the perfet denunciation of the cults of personality.

 

I agree. I have no sympathy for the terrorists at Gitmo. But start prosecuting some of them, dammit ! Oh, and by the way, good planning with those prison guards. Now we find out we've had traitors over there. NOW I feel reassured in this whole Guatanamo Bay thing. Maybe if the terrorists had been prosecuted right now, and some put to death already, we wouldn't have to deal with treason. But instead, Bush and his cabinet have sat on their asses for the past 2 years and done nothing. This is doing nothing for the country and once again, wasn't what was promised to us.

 

We're interrogating them still. If they still have info, just indiscriminately killing them seems rather idiotic.

 

But of course, you ignore that, don't you?

 

Ah, to be young and clueless.

 

And you selfish piece of shit, excuse the soldiers for not wanting to go fight in a war that was completely unnecessary.

 

Seeing as how they VOLUNTEERED for the service (no draft, last time I checked), you insepid little twit, your point is, as usual, moot. It's as bad as Reservists bitching that they had to be deployed. If you don't want to go --- don't enlist. Simple.

 

We now know that Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction

 

Wow, you have info that the State Dept., CIA, and entire U.S military doesn't have?

 

And you post HERE?

 

Shocking.

 

I feel almost honored.

 

had no connection to 9/11

 

We went with intel provided by Israel --- who is quite good at getting intel. I think I'll trust Israel's intel over the damning evidence of the Democrats and the NY Times, thanks just the same.

 

, and pretty much had nothing planned for America. But we let 300 and something soldiers get killed in Iraq based on FALSE INFORMATION and GUESSES.

 

They died for a noble cause --- ending the slaughter of thousands upon thousands of Iraqis and creating a situation that might lead to the downfall of Muslim theocracies throughout the Middle East.

 

But, as always, you fail to appreciate the big picture.

 

Don't worry --- with maturity, you gain perspective.

 

Well, we hope.

 

This is totally irresponsible and, thanks to the war, we now have 300-something parents, wives, husbands, and children who have had to bury their family members.

 

Members who, again, volunteered for the military, knowing that their lives might be in jeopardy. It's like hearing a Secret Service guy bitch that he might have to lay his life down for the President.

 

Yosemite Sam declared war for his own benefit and, to this point, it hasn't benefited anybody. For God's sake, a growing number of Iraqis want us OUT OF THERE and are killing American soldiers to prove their point.

 

Actually, it's a small minority --- but hey, don't let facts slow you down now.

 

But no, let's call those who didn't want to fight "self-involved little twits" Fighting in WWI was necessary.

 

OK, how? How was fighting in WW I even REMOTELY necessary for the U.S? I have actually studied it and, to this day, the only reason I can think of for us entering that war was to simply be a part of taking some of the spoils, since Germany was losing before we even entered --- and the Triple Entente were hardly that nice to begin with.

 

Fighting in WWII was necessary. Fighting in Iraq was a stupid, unnecessary war, and people had to pay the price for it when they clearly shouldn't have.

 

"Screw those kids thrown in prison for not being a member of the Ba'ath Party. Screw the annihilation of the Kurds. Screw the financial support of int'l terrorism."

-=Mike --- that was too easy

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I can't believe someone just quipped a magazine that's current headline is "THINGS GO BETTER WITH GOD" as a credible news source.

 

That's like me using IndyMedia or something.

[Guest MikeSC]

Birthdates of 12/45 and 12/48, so they were Baby Boomers (though hardly the stereotypical ones as they never attended a protest in their lives).

For a stereotype to exist, there need to be a majority. And not just in your head.

 

And incest humor. Wow, that's new.

Hmm, so most Jews are greedy and untrustworthy? Most women are gold-diggers?

 

Shocking beliefs you hold there.

 

Stereotypes must have some truth --- not a majority.

 

Get your witticisms correct before spouting them off and embarrassing yourself.

 

And incestual humor is better than weak attempts at feral raising humor.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Stereotypes must have some truth --- not a majority.

Not necessarily. A stereotype by definition is a conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.

[Guest MikeSC]

^ Smart Man.[\QUOTE]

 

Figures.

 

I'd also like to endorse the fact that the idea of Al Queda being almost non-existant now is just insane. ANYONE who believes this needs to get their heads checked.

 

And you base your assumption of Al Qaeda's power on what? The mastermind behind 9/11 being in custody? Their financial support basically being gone? Almost their entire leadership being in custody -- or dead?

 

Also. Economy may be recovering, but all it coest was 300+ american soldiers' lives, and about 3000 american citizens as well. Afterall we have the elder Bush to thank for the mess we got involved in over in the Mid-East. I have said it a hundred times and I will keep saying it...

 

If you wish to play the blame game, blame Clinton for thoroughly dismantling the intelligence service of the U.S.

 

About the elder Bush -- God knows that area was a calm, rational place BEFORE he liberated Kuwait, right? Peace and love abounded, eh?

 

If it wasn't for the fact that the area over there was very valuable to this country, we wouldn't have gotten involved in the first place...and we shouldn't have. They hate us now and always will, and rightfully so. The powermonger greed machine known as the United States has made it's bed, and eventually it will have to lay it it too.

 

Ahh, we did it for oil.

 

Little question --- if it was all for oil, why didn't we wipe them out long ago?

 

God knows Iraq couldn't stop us.

 

The U.S is a "powermonger greed machine".

 

And you're an insufferable dunce.

 

Difference is --- the U.S does some good for the world.

-=Mike

[DARRYLXWF 0]

I can't believe someone just quipped a magazine that's current headline is "THINGS GO BETTER WITH GOD" as a credible news source.

 

That's like me using IndyMedia or something.

The link I gave was a poll conducted on scientific means with no personal opinion or bias at all. The general opinion or political leanings that the magazine may have, has not weight at all on the poll.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Actually, the Soviets found Hitler. We NEVER did and we have never run tests on the alleged remains to the best of my knowledge to determine if what the Soviets had WAS Adolf's body. I doubt we care, as them being his remains are the perfect ending to the conflict and the perfet denunciation of the cults of personality.

 

I would say it was likely it was him. Hitler was someone who would almost certainly have tried to comeback ala Napoleon in 1815, if he had lived.

[Guest MikeSC]

Stereotypes must have some truth --- not a majority.

Not necessarily. A stereotype by definition is a conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.

And this makes my definition infinitely more accurate than yours.

 

Stop now and save yourself the embarassment.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Actually, the Soviets found Hitler. We NEVER did and we have never run tests on the alleged remains to the best of my knowledge to determine if what the Soviets had WAS Adolf's body. I doubt we care, as them being his remains are the perfect ending to the conflict and the perfet denunciation of the cults of personality.

 

I would say it was likely it was him. Hitler was someone who would almost certainly have tried to comeback ala Napoleon in 1815, if he had lived.

Oh, most likely, it was Hitler.

 

We don't KNOW for certain, though.

 

And, at that point, Hitler couldn't have even attempted a comeback, as he was pretty well humiliated.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

And this makes my definition infinitely more accurate than yours.

What? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense, unless you want to rescind your previous statement and admit that hippies among baby boomers were an exception and not the rule.

 

Stop now and save yourself the embarassment.

              -=Mike

 

Either join me in requesting an ignore function or live with me correcting your dumb ass and having to explain everything to you each time you fail to grasp politics, economics, or common sense.

 

I'd like to save myself the hours, really.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I'm not saying he would be successful, but he would have tried.

[Guest MikeSC]

What? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense, unless you want to rescind your previous statement and admit that hippies among baby boomers were an exception and not the rule.

 

Apparently the phrase "stereotype" in that post was lost on you. Never said that most Boomers were hippies. Most weren't. I said they weren't the "Stereotypical" boomers, as the stereotype for boomers of that era is that they were hippies.

 

Either join me in requesting an ignore function or live with me correcting your dumb ass and having to explain everything to you each time you fail to grasp politics, economics, or common sense.

 

I'd like to save myself the hours, really.

 

To "correct" somebody, you probably should have an IQ that goes above room temperature.

 

You were, as usual, wrong here.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

You initially bashed all boomers because of the stereotype that you now say does not represent most boomers.

 

God. Your head must be made of pure stone.

[NYU 0]

Time for a little news flash: Finding ONE MAN in a MOUNTAINOUS region FILLED WITH PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT AND WILL HIDE HIM is a wee bit on the difficult side. Nobody in the administration EVER promised Osama's "Head on a stick". They promised that Al Qaeda would be effectively dismantled and its ability to commit acts of terrorism again -- and lo and behold, it's been done. Shocking.

 

Al Qaeda's top leaders are almost all dead or in our custody. But, if paranoia trumps facts in your head, continue to believe that Al Qaeda can get us.

For all the troops we had there and for all the advanced technology we could have used, we should have been able to find Bin Laden. It baffles me how he could have escaped such a growing number of soldiers. Last I heard, a few months ago, we were RIGHT on his tail. Only hours away from catching him. But again, he escapes us. This SHOULDN'T be that difficult. If we were utilizing our technology to its full advantage, we would have had him captured already. And oh look, we're going to play the literal game. Hooray. No, dipshit. Nobody in the Bush administration said Osama's "head will be on a stick." But somebody did say "The evildoers responsible for this will be brought to justice." Yes, we caught some of them. But the top evildoer, the one behind the whole catastrophe, was never captured. It seems like a promise there wasn't fulfilled, doesn't it ? And, as for Al Qaeda's leaders and most members being dead or in custody, remember: Osama's still free. His closest assistants are still free. And there are still many people in the Middle East that would like a chance to wound the United States. I doubt it's too incredibly hard for these Al Qaeda members to recruit more people, and then we have trouble all over again. But no, no. Let's take all realistic facts out of our head and hope for the best. Osama's dead. Terrorism is over. La, la, la.

 

Oh, and a bunch of "ungrateful, disrespectful Iraqis". That's like saying that evey student in the 1970's vigorously opposed the Vietnam War. It is hardly the case. There are some, but most support us --- even though they do resent the troops having to be there. Nobody likes to feel as if they're being occupied, even if it's better than their previous alternative.

 

But, as always, let the world suffer if it possibly is less than convenient for us to fix a problem we can fix.

 

And rebuilding a country isn't quick. Germany and Japan weren't rebuilt quickly. We can do it QUICKLY --- or we can do it RIGHT. If we do it quickly, we'll just have headaches in the future and the people of Iraq will be served poorly by it.

 

Well, these ungrateful, disrespectful Iraqis are sure as hell making their voices more known than those who are thankful. If we were really appreciated in Iraq, those who continue to attack American soldiers would get the shit beaten out of them by the Iraqis that thank us for what we've done. But no, that hasn't happen. You can give me all of your "Iraqis are really happy to have us there. 73% of them think this is good." stats all you want. There is a growing number there that are strongly resenting us, leading to more American soldier deaths. And the people that DO think this is a good thing, they do nothing about it. This doesn't show gratitude to me. This shows apathy.

 

And the difference with Germany and Japan: We had other countries to help us. It was part of WW II and, as a result, we had Britain helping us, France helping us, other European countries doing their part to rebuild their countries. Now ? Now we're all alone in trying to rebuild Iraq. We're the only ones putting our money in and the U.N. get to sit around and mock, not contributing a damn dime. We alienated the rest of the world with our actions, and have been forced to pay for this rebuilding alone - something that was done for the improvement of the world - as you say. Thanks to the reckless behavior by Bush, we're picking up the tab - and this is unacceptable as well.

 

Actually, the Soviets found Hitler. We NEVER did and we have never run tests on the alleged remains to the best of my knowledge to determine if what the Soviets had WAS Adolf's body. I doubt we care, as them being his remains are the perfect ending to the conflict and the perfet denunciation of the cults of personality.

 

We, as in "we, the world." Stop grasping for straws here. And it WAS Hitler, as most of the world knows. But now we're struggling to prove me wrong in ANYTHING, so we're going to say it hasn't been proved. Sure, buddy.

 

 

We're interrogating them still. If they still have info, just indiscriminately killing them seems rather idiotic.

 

But of course, you ignore that, don't you?

 

Ah, to be young and clueless.

 

We're interrogating EVERY SINGLE PRISONER in Gitmo ? There's not one person there that has finished being of any use to us and could therefore go to court ? Wait.....just because we're getting info from them....why can't they be taken to court anyway ?! Because we're putting it off as long as we can. Soon, it will come out that a number of people in Guantanamo weren't terrorists as all, but arrested on basis of "allegations." And then we'll realize that we didn't do AS good on this war on terrorism as we had hoped. This is why the trials haven't started yet. Just because they're being interrogated doesn't mean we can't start preparing for court. And, by the way, nobody said anything about indiscriminately killing them. Obviously, this is Un-American. But do SOMETHING with them because now this is taxpayer money that is being spent for seemingly nothing.

 

Seeing as how they VOLUNTEERED for the service (no draft, last time I checked), you insepid little twit, your point is, as usual, moot. It's as bad as Reservists bitching that they had to be deployed. If you don't want to go --- don't enlist. Simple.

 

Yes, they volunteered for the service. To defend their country in a war that is just, and needs to be fought. The Iraq war did not NEED to be fought. These soldiers did not NEED to die. This could have all been avoided, because it was not necessary ! Obviously, the soldiers aren't going to say no. It's their job. But the President of the United States should have the ability to see what is going on and say "No. 300-something American lives are not worth this. Not yet." But obviously, this isn't how it happened.

 

 

We now know that Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction

 

Wow, you have info that the State Dept., CIA, and entire U.S military doesn't have?

 

And you post HERE?

 

Shocking.

 

I feel almost honored.

 

Come on, man. Where are they ? Hello, Weapons of Mass destruction, where are you ? Did Saddam bury you in the earth's core ? Did he open up a hole in a cloud and stuff you in there ? Hello, where are you ?! Face it, we've searched the country HIGH AND LOW. Nothing has been found. If there were weapons, they've been gone for a while now. As it stands now, there was no big threat there, at all. And if that whole uranium charge from months ago was any indication, U.S. intelligence had at least an inkling of this fact.

 

We went with intel provided by Israel --- who is quite good at getting intel. I think I'll trust Israel's intel over the damning evidence of the Democrats and the NY Times, thanks just the same.

 

Again, show me the proof. We've been there for about 6 months ago. SHOW ME THE CONNECTION ! There has to be SOME DAMNING EVIDENCE that says Saddam was connected with 9/11. Give me a document !! Let me see with my own eyes !! But no, somebody made an accusation. You agreed with it. And even in the face of total disprovement, you continue to stand by it and say it as if itis 100% true. Hey buddy, Scott Steiner called. He needs a debating partner.

 

Members who, again, volunteered for the military, knowing that their lives might be in jeopardy. It's like hearing a Secret Service guy bitch that he might have to lay his life down for the President.

 

They - Died - When - They - Did - Not - Have - To. How do I hammer this point into your head ? The President should be the most responsible person when it comes to the lives of his citizens, and he acted as if he was playing a game of Risk. Yes, they knew they COULD have died. But this doesn't change the fact that they SHOULDN'T have died.

 

You can say all you want about us freeing the Iraqis from this and that. But I fail to see where they show their gratitude, when I'm being shown clips of American troops getting rocks thrown at them every night. And, $87 billion dollars for this war is unbelievably ridiculous when again, we have our OWN problems here that need solving. Whether this was a war over oil or Bush's daddy almost being shot, I'm not entirely sure. But I sure as hell know that the war wasn't declared for the sole purpose of saving the Iraqi people and a threat to America. Hey look, there's North Korea. They have a Nuclear Bomb AND their people are being mistreated. They look like a problematic threat.....but we go for Iraq. Wha ? North Korea's people may need just as much help, if not more, as the Iraqis, but we choose to ignore. Why, if Bush is fighting this war and rebuilding for truth, justice, and the American Way ?

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

They promised that Al Qaeda would be effectively dismantled and its ability to commit acts of terrorism again -- and lo and behold, it's been done. Shocking.

 

It has?

 

So the attacks in Iraq and other nations abroad don't demonstrate al Queda's ability to strike American interests? Oh...

 

Well, in that case, don't expect anyone to actually read your idiotic screed.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Protection is more important than justice. I feel safer now than pre-9/11 because now I know that they are doing something about the problem. Terrorists getting arrested is a good thing. It is when they aren't getting caught that worries me, because we all know they're there.

 

Why are we talking about Bush & Hitler in a thread about telemarketers?

[Guest MikeSC]

You initially bashed all boomers because of the stereotype that you now say does not represent most boomers.

 

God. Your head must be made of pure stone.

I said that Boomers tend to be self-interested --- and they are. Deal with it. My generation is EVEN WORSE, sad to say.

 

Your head must be filled with nice, cushy marshmallow.

-=Mike

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

It is obviously harder to protect interest abroad. I am interested in the safety of the homeland first and foremost. And, yes I'm Canadian, but your actions impact us both.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Certainly, but stating that al Queda is gone and destroyed is almost as naive as thinking Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11.

[NYU 0]

Protection is more important than justice. I feel safer now than pre-9/11 because now I know that they are doing something about the problem. Terrorists getting arrested is a good thing. It is when they aren't getting caught that worries me, because we all know they're there.

 

Why are we talking about Bush & Hitler in a thread about telemarketers?

Obviously. I'm happy we captured some of these terrorists too. But the head terrorist, Osama Bin Laden, was never captured and could still be out in the mountains, recruiting people for Al Qaeda once again. And as for Guantanamo Bay, of course there have been terrorists captured there. But there are also innocent people there, inflating the numbers captured by possibly a considerable amount.

 

I don't dispute that going into Afghanistan after 9/11 was needed. I certainly do think it had to be done and the world is better for it that some of these terrorists were captured. What I disagree with is the Iraq war, and basically every part of Mike's posts.

 

-And well, they're TELEMARKETERS. Who else could they be compared to ? Wait until we throw Genghis Khan into the mix

[DARRYLXWF 0]

You can say all you want about us freeing the Iraqis from this and that. But I fail to see where they show their gratitude, when I'm being shown clips of American troops getting rocks thrown at them every night.

 

I see protests in Europe over globalisation and capitalism, does that mean that every European is anti-capitalist? The fact is, those that attack US troops are very much in the minority, whether they're Saddam loyalists or just plain anti-US extremists. Sure, we hear tonnes of news stories about Iraqi protests and deaths of US soldiers, but could it be slightly possible that these bits of 'news' are coming from those who are biased against US occupation (these people being, generally speaking, the left).

 

But I sure as hell know that the war wasn't declared for the sole purpose of saving the Iraqi people and a threat to America. Hey look, there's North Korea. They have a Nuclear Bomb AND their people are being mistreated. They look like a problematic threat.....but we go for Iraq. Wha ? North Korea's people may need just as much help, if not more, as the Iraqis, but we choose to ignore. Why, if Bush is fighting this war and rebuilding for truth, justice, and the American Way ?

 

There's a difference, atleast in the governments approach. They went into Iraq supposedly because of the possibility of Iraq obtaining a nuclear capacity for arms and other such WMD. North Korea already HAS them. Common Sense says that you don't attack (let alone invade) a country that might just use those nukes against you.

[Guest MikeSC]

For all the troops we had there and for all the advanced technology we could have used, we should have been able to find Bin Laden. It baffles me how he could have escaped such a growing number of soldiers. Last I heard, a few months ago, we were RIGHT on his tail. Only hours away from catching him. But again, he escapes us. This SHOULDN'T be that difficult. If we were utilizing our technology to its full advantage, we would have had him captured already. And oh look, we're going to play the literal game. Hooray. No, dipshit. Nobody in the Bush administration said Osama's "head will be on a stick." But somebody did say "The evildoers responsible for this will be brought to justice." Yes, we caught some of them. But the top evildoer, the one behind the whole catastrophe, was never captured. It seems like a promise there wasn't fulfilled, doesn't it ? And, as for Al Qaeda's leaders and most members being dead or in custody, remember: Osama's still free. His closest assistants are still free. And there are still many people in the Middle East that would like a chance to wound the United States. I doubt it's too incredibly hard for these Al Qaeda members to recruit more people, and then we have trouble all over again. But no, no. Let's take all realistic facts out of our head and hope for the best. Osama's dead. Terrorism is over. La, la, la.[/b]

 

Do you know how completely lacking in any ration this entire little diatribe has?

 

Why can't we find him? Why couldn't we find Adid in Somalia? Why did we never hit Castro? Why did we never hit Hussein?

 

Because it isn't THAT easy.

 

And, unarmed people don't tend to "beat the crap out of a guy" who just shot somebody. I don't think you'd run into that kind of a situation.

 

Life ain't a Rambo movie.

 

Well, these ungrateful, disrespectful Iraqis are sure as hell making their voices more known than those who are thankful. If we were really appreciated in Iraq, those who continue to attack American soldiers would get the shit beaten out of them by the Iraqis that thank us for what we've done. But no, that hasn't happen. You can give me all of your "Iraqis are really happy to have us there. 73% of them think this is good." stats all you want. There is a growing number there that are strongly resenting us, leading to more American soldier deaths. And the people that DO think this is a good thing, they do nothing about it. This doesn't show gratitude to me. This shows apathy.

 

Hmm, during Reconstruction, Southerners didn't "appreciate" the Union troops. The Japanese and Germans didn't appreciate Allied troops in their countries. That's life.

 

As has been pointed out elsewhere, they'd rather be modeled after the U.S than anybody else and they are more optimistic about their future than they were just last year.

 

But, that's right, you'll go with anecdotes over statistical proof otherwise.

 

And the difference with Germany and Japan: We had other countries to help us. It was part of WW II and, as a result, we had Britain helping us, France helping us, other European countries doing their part to rebuild their countries. Now ? Now we're all alone in trying to rebuild Iraq. We're the only ones putting our money in and the U.N. get to sit around and mock, not contributing a damn dime. We alienated the rest of the world with our actions, and have been forced to pay for this rebuilding alone - something that was done for the improvement of the world - as you say. Thanks to the reckless behavior by Bush, we're picking up the tab - and this is unacceptable as well.

 

We're there alone? Shocking news to Britain, Australia, and numerous other countries. Good lord, read a paper.

 

And darn Bush for assuming that the U.N meant what they said in their previous resolutions.

 

I'm passing over some of the more inane ramblings of your post as while I'm having fun undressing your arguments here, I don't have that much extra time.

 

Come on, man. Where are they ? Hello, Weapons of Mass destruction, where are you ? Did Saddam bury you in the earth's core ? Did he open up a hole in a cloud and stuff you in there ? Hello, where are you ?! Face it, we've searched the country HIGH AND LOW. Nothing has been found. If there were weapons, they've been gone for a while now. As it stands now, there was no big threat there, at all. And if that whole uranium charge from months ago was any indication, U.S. intelligence had at least an inkling of this fact.

 

You know, if you said none had been found as of yet, I'd agree.

 

None exist? Until you can back THAT up, save it for another time.

 

They - Died - When - They - Did - Not - Have - To. How do I hammer this point into your head ?

 

They signed up for a service knowing that death was a real possibility. They died doing something noble for the world.

 

The President should be the most responsible person when it comes to the lives of his citizens, and he acted as if he was playing a game of Risk.

 

You can argue that about EVERY war we've had, save maybe WW II.

 

Yes, they knew they COULD have died. But this doesn't change the fact that they SHOULDN'T have died.

 

They were involved in a war for a very noble cause. I'd rather have a war for noble reasons than any other reason.

 

You can say all you want about us freeing the Iraqis from this and that. But I fail to see where they show their gratitude, when I'm being shown clips of American troops getting rocks thrown at them every night.

 

Because --- and I know this is shocking --- people throwing rocks will get ratings. People going on with their ordinary lives don't.

 

God, I've not seen ANYBODY as dense as you since grade school.

 

And, $87 billion dollars for this war is unbelievably ridiculous when again, we have our OWN problems here that need solving.

 

Such as?

 

Whether this was a war over oil or Bush's daddy almost being shot, I'm not entirely sure. But I sure as hell know that the war wasn't declared for the sole purpose of saving the Iraqi people and a threat to America. Hey look, there's North Korea. They have a Nuclear Bomb AND their people are being mistreated. They look like a problematic threat.....but we go for Iraq. Wha ?

 

Iraq was striving for the bomb. N. Korea already had it.

 

Think about it --- who would you attack first: Somebody who had a gun or somebody who was trying to get one?

 

Thank God you'll never have any importance in the world.

 

North Korea's people may need just as much help, if not more, as the Iraqis, but we choose to ignore. Why, if Bush is fighting this war and rebuilding for truth, justice, and the American Way ?

 

Because people like you will bitch that it's not worth it to us.

-=Mike

[Anakin Flair 0]

I love the fact that he basically gave the finger to those idiot judges.

Why not? This is the same man that basically gave the finger to the U.N.

 

And this just reeks of desperation in trying to get his approval numbers up...

[Guest MikeSC]

I love the fact that he basically gave the finger to those idiot judges.

Why not? This is the same man that basically gave the finger to the U.N.

 

And this just reeks of desperation in trying to get his approval numbers up...

Him giving the U.N "the finger" is nothing but a good thing.

-=Mike

[Vyce 0]

And this just reeks of desperation in trying to get his approval numbers up...

 

Christ, is everything Bush does a conspiracy theory to some of you?

 

How about him supporting this for the simple fact that a good 99% of politicians ACROSS THE BOARD - Republican and Democrat and Independent alike - support this law?

 

Just about the only people who don't support it are the telemarketers themselves.

 

What the fuck are you thinking? People are going to forget about Iraq and the economy simply because he's struck a blow against telemarketers? You're making absolutely ZERO sense.

[Firestarter 0]

Just about the only people who don't support it are the telemarketers themselves.

Indeed:

 

"On Tuesday, the FTC asked the Denver-based 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to suspend Nottingham's ruling that blocked the agency from operating the list. Officials from 45 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico filed a brief with the court supporting the FTC."

- CNN story

 

I think the last time the President, 45 states, DC, Puerto Rico, 95 Senators, 418 Representatives, and half a dozen government agencies (not to mention me, Jobber of the Week, and TheMikeSC) unanimously and unequivocally agreed on anything within less than half a week was, well, never. Even though telemarketers are the enemy here, and you'd expect practically everyone to attack them not only willingly but with great joy, I still find this display of national unity and speed unfuckingbelievable. After several years in the government, I didn't think it was physically possible to do anything, anything at all, this quickly.