razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 As for keepers I will go with whatever is the group decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 As for keepers I will go with whatever is the group decision. Bastard. That doesn't help ME any! I'm the guy who's running this and I need people's feedback. Not most of the crowd going "I'll agree with the group decision, even if it is made by the minority" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 Hey you're the commish do whatever you want, but 3 would be nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 It depends on how many people come back. If it's half (of twenty) or fewer, then you should allow three; more than that, and you should keep it to two. Let's say, for example, that fifteen people come back; more to the point, let's say that the top fifteen come back. If the top 45 players in the league are all tied up, the five new guys that come in aren't going to have much of a chance to be competitive, no matter how high their draft picks are. I would also recommend that, if you do allow two keepers, for example, that those managers be ineligible for the first two rounds of the draft, if that can even be arranged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted February 13, 2004 we could do it expansion draft style. Like when one of your players is taken, then you can claim your one or two or three or whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 with 9 roster spots, 2 is probably the best # of keepers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 I would also recommend that, if you do allow two keepers, for example, that those managers be ineligible for the first two rounds of the draft, if that can even be arranged. That's what I had said in my very first post regarding the situation. Also, there will be a period of time before the draft when you must make the decision. You either take the players, or try your luck at getting draft picks. However, those managers who keep players have the option of trading certain players to get coveted picks in the first and second round. Depending. I'm thinking that since most of the league (15 of us, Mr. J will not be returning) that two people will be selected via your personal preference, and the third option is chosen at random (or at a selection, I'm still working on this). we could do it expansion draft style. Like when one of your players is taken, then you can claim your one or two or three or whatever. That could work too. But I think that people who are the best in the league and take the top 3 draft picks away, might realize that they are about to get shafted of some great player, they might want to trade up. Or we could slate that a manager can take three players into the draft, but must trade at least one away. *shrugs* Adds a bit of a twist, as they'll have to figure out when and where. And if they don't trade within the first and second round, they'll lose their top player for round three and have a scheduled pick for round three. Oh, and just to make sure that the winning teams have to go out and make trades, it'll be just a straight up draft. Meaning that if Citrus has first draft pick in the first round, he'll have it in the second round. So if Guerreos wins the Championship, he's in last place and if he doesn't make a trade, he gets screwed. What do you think of that? I think that's highly fair that way. It means, you MUST at least be willing to compromise and if you aren't careful you get busted. with 9 roster spots, 2 is probably the best # of keepers. As I said previously, I was thinking of increasing the roster by at least one or two for next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 we could do it expansion draft style. Like when one of your players is taken, then you can claim your one or two or three or whatever. The current league has 16 teams. I would hope that the league doesn't get more teams next season. I would expect at least one or two owners won't take part next year. All you have to do is find new owners for those teams and allow them to pick their 2 (or 3 or however many) keepers from the teams. Then after everyone has picked keepers (which IMO needs to be done close to the end of this season, maybe before the NBA finals) just post them in this thread and then when next season rolls around, start a new thread and post the keepers from each team at the top of the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 we could do it expansion draft style. Like when one of your players is taken, then you can claim your one or two or three or whatever. The current league has 16 teams. I would hope that the league doesn't get more teams next season. I would expect at least one or two owners won't take part next year. All you have to do is find new owners for those teams and allow them to pick their 2 (or 3 or however many) keepers from the teams. Then after everyone has picked keepers (which IMO needs to be done close to the end of this season, maybe before the NBA finals) just post them in this thread and then when next season rolls around, start a new thread and post the keepers from each team at the top of the draft. That's what I was planning on doing originally, with my idea (look two posts up and you'll see it) working. And I think we can expand a little bit. Sure, it means the pool spreads a little thin, but I think it can be spread just a tad more. Besides, I'm not about to reject anyone who wishes to join. I think this league can work well with with 20 people (probably not have an extra slot for roster if we go that high), as long as everything is balanced out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 I dont think you can add roster spots and expand the league to 18 or 20 teams. Its probably going to have to be one or the other. 20x10=200 players. Right now as it stands, there are 144 players that are on rosters (+IL'ed players), which is about the number of starters in the NBA. Yeah, there are some people who come off the bench as 6th men, but there really aren't enough of them to draft in the late rounds that would make much of an impact in a fantasy perspective, as you probably wouldn't start them very much over the bigger names on your roster (IE they'd only get an occasional start on a lite night like tonight in the NBA) Personally I'd keep the 16 teams and go 1 more roster spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 I ended the quick week with a 4-4 tie with Pocono Poison, but with everyone else winning substantially it looks like Im going to fall further out of 6th place games behind wise although theres a bit more seperation between me and the 10th + place teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 I'm running an 18-team league, and it's working out pretty well. All of the teams have pretty good talent; there are more valuable bench players than you might think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 Just so everyone gets a clear view of this. The Proposal For Next Season: Rotissaire or Head To Head - While some people wish for this instead of the current head to head system, I think we should remain Head To Head. Yes, not everyone gets their starters to play 5 games a week, but look at how many upsets have happened because of this. I myself have trounced at least 3 teams now 6-2 or 7-1 because of this (and having a lot of blind luck help along the way). This wouldn't happen under Rotissaire. Statistical Increase - Whether people like it or not, there will be a stats increase come next season. Too many people complained about it favoring the starters only and hence if you had a weak team due to blind luck, you got hurt badly for it. So next season, % will probably come into play. Others may come into play, all of these may not come into play next season. % will most likely come into play next season, inceasing categories from 8 to maybe 11. This is not set in stone, but I really do believe that at least %s should come into play next season as you don't need the guys who score all the points to win these categories. Just the guys who shoot the best. Yes, that means you can fill your team with good shooters who get you those three categorial points, but that also show that you've got a broad sense of picking up some good shooters. Yes, some of the starters do shoot good, but they have to take how many they make. I also believe there was missed categories as well that could be added, so that if you've got stars, and they shoot 15-30, you have that coming back to haunt you as well. Expansion - Since we dropped down to 15 officially since Mr. J will not likely be back due to his banning (as this being a TSM-Only League), and two competitors wishing to join, expansion will probably be needed. Most likely this will increase the teams to 18 (assuming all 15 teams stay), as both are willing to join and we need even teams (can't play with odd amount of teams). Unless someone is not returning. If someone is not, then we'll be fine. Roster Increase - Next season will be interesting. You will most likely have a increase in the roster by one player. Most likely this will be another utility position or guard position. As many of us have 4-5 guards just sitting there doing nothing. It might also be an extra bench slot. It all depends on what people have to say. Keeper Rule/Draft - For the upcoming draft, you will have a three player keeper rule but having to trade at least one player in the first or second round. If you do not trade at least one of the three keepers in the first or second round, you will forfeit your top player (determined by Yahoo's O-Ranking) for the third round. If you are first in the first round, you are first in the second round and so forth. You will have to make your choice of taking Keepers or starting the drafting anew by March 21st (tentative date), the day before our regular season comes to a close. Also, your drafting position is either going to reflect pre-playoffs or playoff results. I'm leaning more to pre-playoffs, but this is up for debate as is everything. You'll have at least two weeks prior to the draft to trade away one of your keeps if we go that route. That's the proposal. Discuss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 Oh and yes, for all those people who wish to make trades... Feb 19th is trade deadline day. Next week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 In the spirit of competition I will forfeit all of my picks if I can have 4 keepers. I'll just wait a few days then go after the free agents, since I would be under the salary cap, I can waste my picks on rookies or journeymen. I currently have scouts in the CBA and Europe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted February 13, 2004 I've officially (well not officially but whatever) defeated Whalers on The Moon 7 to 1. Not exactly my most prideful victory as his whole team got injured and suspeneded in the same week, but whatever, a wins a win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 In the spirit of competition I will forfeit all of my picks if I can have 4 keepers. I'll just wait a few days then go after the free agents, since I would be under the salary cap, I can waste my picks on rookies or journeymen. I currently have scouts in the CBA and Europe. This too... Can be an option for next season... *shrugs* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 By the way, how do you do all of this stuff? A bunch of guys in my league have expressed interest in coming back, but I don't know how to retain the league or make it permanent or anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 By the way, how do you do all of this stuff? A bunch of guys in my league have expressed interest in coming back, but I don't know how to retain the league or make it permanent or anything. *shrugs* I'm just redoing everything, but with the subtle changes that are made for the next season. This is why you do offline drafts. So we can make it keeper wise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 Dammit, i wanted to go the whole season without any ties, but it looks like i've got my first as i tied SHIT in 3 pointers, overall winning 6-1-1. If only Q-Rich wasn't injured this week, he's always good for throwing up bombs with reckless abandon. At least that'll be good enough to move me up to 4th place, a half game ahead of Team Failure. And it seems Wally Szczerbiak will be back in a week or so, though i don't expect the same stats from him he's had the last few seasons he should still put up the numbers to improve my team, and his eligibility at both guard and forward is always a plus as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 By the way, how do you do all of this stuff? A bunch of guys in my league have expressed interest in coming back, but I don't know how to retain the league or make it permanent or anything. *shrugs* I'm just redoing everything, but with the subtle changes that are made for the next season. This is why you do offline drafts. So we can make it keeper wise. Should setup a league homepage on one of those free sited like geocities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 By the way, how do you do all of this stuff? A bunch of guys in my league have expressed interest in coming back, but I don't know how to retain the league or make it permanent or anything. *shrugs* I'm just redoing everything, but with the subtle changes that are made for the next season. This is why you do offline drafts. So we can make it keeper wise. Should setup a league homepage on one of those free sited like geocities. Whoa, whoa, whoa there bucko... Why use Crapocities, when I've got a free server that I can use? I just need to build up a pHp nuke and BLAMO~! Got a site. Just need to talk with father and I can set one up. Simple as that. Hell, I could probably get it up and running by week's end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 Just a suggestion...........geocities is fatal error free Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2004 I'm not a big fan of the keeping players but forced to trade them rule. I'd rather keep two that I can trade at my own lesiure then keep three and know I'd have to trade one. That's my personal opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 I'm not a big fan of the keeping players but forced to trade them rule. I'd rather keep two that I can trade at my own lesiure then keep three and know I'd have to trade one. That's my personal opinion. It's more of spreading out the talent fairly. Besides, this is all debatable still. As for a php Nuke site, it wouldn't be totally error free, but nothing every is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 So what exactly are we doing next season? I didn't feel like reading all the new posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 3 keepers 10 players more stats SHIT has been contracted/moved with option of expansion team(s) offline draft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Oy. I'm not liking this at all. Fantasy games should be relatively simple. This is getting out of hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 It is only a suggestion, its still up for discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2004 Oy. I'm not liking this at all. Fantasy games should be relatively simple. This is getting out of hand. ...complicated? How so? I'm just doing the simple things of asking the questions "Are we going to add another Utility spot to the roster?", "Do we need more stats?", "Should we expand to 18 if all 15 teams return (as two people wish to join)"? How complicated is that? I just wrote up a summary of what some had said up to that point (more or less, as some people added their opinions afterwards). Anyways, so here's what's confirmed: ~ We are split on the decision of moving from 16 teams to 18 teams. ~ Majority agree that two keepers are enough, that they'll take your first round and second round picks. ~ Majority disagree that three keepers plus a must trade or forfeit of top keeper rule. ~ Majority agree that the draft, should it be expand or not, team that has the first overall pick, shall retain the first overall pick for every round. ~ Undecided on the issues of trading picks/keepers during drafting (this is not the rule that I thought we should impliment, just saying should we allow trading during drafting). ~ Majority disagree with a major stats increase (mostly no one cares for %s). However, I still think we should at least count the "missed" categories for next season. Means you need a shooter who can hit his shots. I also think we should seriously consider turnovers as well. Discuss further please. TRADE DEADLINE FEBRUARY 19TH!!! REMEMBER THAT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
