Communist Party to Support Dems in 04

[dutchse.cx]

Anyway, that's not what Mike said. He said if a guy likes anal sex with a woman he probably has gay tendencies. That would be a baseless opinion and not a fact. There was never mention of preferring one over the other.

 

He also seems to be ignoring the fact that you're still fucking a woman. Both genders have rectums.

[Guest Cerebus]

For the record, if my Psych of Sex professor was right, heterosexual couple have anal sex more than male homosexual couples do on average. By the way, what does this have to do with communists and democrats?

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America]

This is CE. We talk about what we want to talk about; the original topic doesn't matter. Get used to it.

[dutchse.cx]

By the way, what does this have to do with communists and democrats?

 

Well, apparently some people might consider Communists supporting the Democrats to be a form of sodomy.

[Guest MikeSC]

I think I'd be a communist if I thought that it actually work in practice. The shame is that it's a little too hard to get enough people that are geniunly interested in the idea. That's why Russia failed: they took the ideal and then placed a dictator at the top of it instead of letting the people decide.

 

On a political scale, communism falls two places away from liberals (read: democrats), so it makes since that they'd throw their weight behind the demos. Sadly enough, years of American propaganda (read: media) have convinced Americans that communism is both evil and immoral. Oh well, so it goes.

Seeing as how it goes against human nature, communism REQUIRES a dictator to "make it work". People won't willingly accept the idea that everybody should get the same results, no matter the difference in work or risk.

 

Of course, the irony is that the people in CHARGE of Communist countries seem to do REALLY well --- or as Orwell said in "Animal Farm", "Everybody is equal, but some are more equal than others".

 

I love hearing somebody who alleges to approve of Communism bitch about the "propaganda" against it.

-=Mike

[Guest MD2020]

On a political scale, communism falls two places away from liberals (read: democrats), so it makes since that they'd throw their weight behind the demos. Sadly enough, years of American propaganda (read: media) have convinced Americans that communism is both evil and immoral. Oh well, so it goes.

 

Of course, that guy standing in front of a tank probably had it coming to him.

And here I thought that communism is evil and immoral because of the millions and millions of people killed by it almost wherever it is tried. But I just know one of these days they'll get it right!!!

[kkktookmybabyaway]

Seeing as how it goes against human nature, communism REQUIRES a dictator to "make it work". People won't willingly accept the idea that everybody should get the same results, no matter the difference in work or risk.

For a second I thought we were still talking about anal sex...

[Guest whatitistoburn]

I think I'd be a communist if I thought that it actually work in practice.  The shame is that it's a little too hard to get enough people that are geniunly interested in the idea.  That's why Russia failed:  they took the ideal and then placed a dictator at the top of it instead of letting the people decide. 

 

On a political scale, communism falls two places away from liberals (read:  democrats), so it makes since that they'd throw their weight behind the demos.  Sadly enough, years of American propaganda (read:  media) have convinced Americans that communism is both evil and immoral.  Oh well, so it goes.

Seeing as how it goes against human nature, communism REQUIRES a dictator to "make it work". People won't willingly accept the idea that everybody should get the same results, no matter the difference in work or risk.

 

Of course, the irony is that the people in CHARGE of Communist countries seem to do REALLY well --- or as Orwell said in "Animal Farm", "Everybody is equal, but some are more equal than others".

 

I love hearing somebody who alleges to approve of Communism bitch about the "propaganda" against it.

-=Mike

Like I said, communism doesn't work in practice.

 

While it's a great idea, you still need someone up top to make some of the decisions, and even with a pool of people, there'd still be corruption, human nature being what it is and all.

 

And it is propaganda. Why exactly are communists evil? Better yet, does the average american even know what communism is?

[Guest whatitistoburn]

On a political scale, communism falls two places away from liberals (read:  democrats), so it makes since that they'd throw their weight behind the demos.  Sadly enough, years of American propaganda (read:  media) have convinced Americans that communism is both evil and immoral.  Oh well, so it goes.

 

Of course, that guy standing in front of a tank probably had it coming to him.

And here I thought that communism is evil and immoral because of the millions and millions of people killed by it almost wherever it is tried. But I just know one of these days they'll get it right!!!

Millions of people died because the leader was an evil asshole, not because of a political ideal.

 

How many people has democracy killed?

[Vern Gagne]

That's funny every communist leader was in evil asshole, who murdered millions of his own people. It's even funnier, that the commies today don't condemn Castro, Chairman Mao, or Stalin but they prop them up has freedom fighters against the evil capitalist pigs.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Capitalism is a natural occurence created by the invisible forces of nature and society. It is natutal, therefore it is good.

 

Communism is a socially fabricated set of laws and forces. Communism is not natural, it was devised to combat the invisible forces of society and nature; therefore it is evil.

[BX]

Capitalism is a natural occurence created by the invisible forces of nature and society. It is natutal, therefore it is good.

 

Communism is a socially fabricated set of laws and forces. Communism is not natural, it was devised to combat the invisible forces of society and nature; therefore it is evil.

If Capitalism is so natural, why is it that in the collective history of our species, the system has only become prevalant in the last 250 years?

[Guest JMA]

Capitalism is a natural occurence created by the invisible forces of nature and society. It is natutal, therefore it is good.

 

Communism is a socially fabricated set of laws and forces. Communism is not natural, it was devised to combat the invisible forces of society and nature; therefore it is evil.

I have to disagree. Both Capitalism and Communism are ideas created by human beings. Nothing more, nothing less.

[MrRant]

That's funny every communist leader was in evil asshole, who murdered millions of his own people. It's even funnier, that the commies today don't condemn Castro, Chairman Mao, or Stalin but they prop them up has freedom fighters against the evil capitalist pigs.

That's because they have college kids with Commie professors that they look up to and don't know any better.

[Guest JMA]

That's because they have college kids with Commie professors that they look up to and don't know any better.

Quick question: What exactly do you find to be Communist qualities? I ask this because you have compared hippies to Commies in the past (even though they have almost nothing in common).

[MrRant]

I've never once said they were the same.

 

Outside of saying they are dirty.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Capitalism is a natural occurence created by the invisible forces of nature and society.  It is natutal, therefore it is good.

 

Communism is a socially fabricated set of laws and forces.  Communism is not natural, it was devised to combat the invisible forces of society and nature; therefore it is evil.

If Capitalism is so natural, why is it that in the collective history of our species, the system has only become prevalant in the last 250 years?

Capitalism isn't just about the creation of wealth and products via machines. Capitalism is an advanced extension of basic human nature. The underlying features of capitalism have been around since the begining. Competiton, self-interest, quest for wealth, quest for power have all been around since Day 1.

 

Communism IS a brilliant concept. It required some super smart people to come along and recognize the flaws of human nature and then suggest a tempting alternative (Communism/Socialism/Collectivism/Statism). What it comes down to is this: do you want to live under a system that came about because of natural human tendencies? Though sometimes brutal, cruel, and savage, it is nonetheless a natural occurence. Or, do you want to live under a socially created system that requires a constant check on human nature and invisible forces? Every political issue EVER comes down to this: "invisible hand of society vs. social control on the invisible hand."

[Guest Olympic Slam]

That's because they have college kids with Commie professors that they look up to and don't know any better.

Quick question: What exactly do you find to be Communist qualities? I ask this because you have compared hippies to Commies in the past (even though they have almost nothing in common).

Deep down, real Hippies see government and social control of any kind as things to fear.

 

Commies on the other hand see government and social control as beacons of hope.

 

I think the two groups get mixed up and blurred because they're both hell bent on revoltuion and antagonism against the status-quo.

 

Quick ways to spot a Commie or Commie in Training:

- They have a fear of quality and efficency

- They advocate cultural relativism

- Scientific Management is seen as evil and Frederik Winslow Taylor is a villain

- Things like "Cultural Genocide" are big issues to them

- Most importantly, they have a fear of "majority opinion" and the invisible hand of society (i.e natural democracy).

[Guest MD2020]

On a political scale, communism falls two places away from liberals (read:  democrats), so it makes since that they'd throw their weight behind the demos.  Sadly enough, years of American propaganda (read:  media) have convinced Americans that communism is both evil and immoral.  Oh well, so it goes.

 

Of course, that guy standing in front of a tank probably had it coming to him.

And here I thought that communism is evil and immoral because of the millions and millions of people killed by it almost wherever it is tried. But I just know one of these days they'll get it right!!!

Millions of people died because the leader was an evil asshole, not because of a political ideal.

 

How many people has democracy killed?

Probably more, depending on your definition of democracy and the fact it's been around much longer than communism.

 

However, democracy has benefited the world many times and has produced great leaders. Communism, in just about every place it's tried, leads to secret police, millions of dead, "crimes against the state", crackdown on personal freedoms, etc.

 

I think democracy is the better of the two.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

However, democracy has benefited the world many times and has produced great leaders. Communism, in just about every place it's tried, leads to secret police, millions of dead, "crimes against the state", crackdown on personal freedoms, etc.

This is 100% true because Communism/Statism/Socialism can not function unless there are these constant oppressive checks on human nature. Why? Because Communism came about to CHANGE human nature.

 

Communism is the human equivalent of ripping off a bird's wings. It is not natural, it is anti-human, it is anti-existence, it is evil.

[Guest MikeSC]

I think I'd be a communist if I thought that it actually work in practice.  The shame is that it's a little too hard to get enough people that are geniunly interested in the idea.  That's why Russia failed:  they took the ideal and then placed a dictator at the top of it instead of letting the people decide. 

 

On a political scale, communism falls two places away from liberals (read:  democrats), so it makes since that they'd throw their weight behind the demos.  Sadly enough, years of American propaganda (read:  media) have convinced Americans that communism is both evil and immoral.  Oh well, so it goes.

Seeing as how it goes against human nature, communism REQUIRES a dictator to "make it work". People won't willingly accept the idea that everybody should get the same results, no matter the difference in work or risk.

 

Of course, the irony is that the people in CHARGE of Communist countries seem to do REALLY well --- or as Orwell said in "Animal Farm", "Everybody is equal, but some are more equal than others".

 

I love hearing somebody who alleges to approve of Communism bitch about the "propaganda" against it.

-=Mike

Like I said, communism doesn't work in practice.

 

While it's a great idea, you still need someone up top to make some of the decisions, and even with a pool of people, there'd still be corruption, human nature being what it is and all.

 

And it is propaganda. Why exactly are communists evil? Better yet, does the average american even know what communism is?

Communists are bad because the system they support has, EVERY SINGLE TIME, led to mass genocide, borderline starvation of the masses, and misery for all but the gov't elites.

 

Name a single Communist country that DIDN'T have this.

 

Just one.

 

I coul mention Vietnam, China, U.S.S.R, Cambodia, Cuba...

-=Mike

...Baffled that "intellectuals" would support communism, seeing as how they are the first ones who end up "missing" when they take over

[Guest MikeSC]

On a political scale, communism falls two places away from liberals (read:  democrats), so it makes since that they'd throw their weight behind the demos.  Sadly enough, years of American propaganda (read:  media) have convinced Americans that communism is both evil and immoral.  Oh well, so it goes.

 

Of course, that guy standing in front of a tank probably had it coming to him.

And here I thought that communism is evil and immoral because of the millions and millions of people killed by it almost wherever it is tried. But I just know one of these days they'll get it right!!!

Millions of people died because the leader was an evil asshole, not because of a political ideal.

 

How many people has democracy killed?

Haven't heard of many open democracies that had the massacres of Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, et al.

 

When Germany went into their killing spree, they were hardly a democracy.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Capitalism is a natural occurence created by the invisible forces of nature and society.  It is natutal, therefore it is good.

 

Communism is a socially fabricated set of laws and forces.  Communism is not natural, it was devised to combat the invisible forces of society and nature; therefore it is evil.

If Capitalism is so natural, why is it that in the collective history of our species, the system has only become prevalant in the last 250 years?

Because, shockingly enough, governments have this amazing ability to kill off communism and enslave their people to their beliefs.

 

Shocking --- but true.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week]

Communism is the human equivalent of ripping off a bird's wings. It is not natural, it is anti-human, it is anti-existence, it is evil.

LOL!

 

Hey, you want to make your arguements, fine. But tone down the rhetoric. I could agree with you if you didn't come off as crazy.

[Firestarter]

Never mind the rhetoric; it's a silly argument. The rule of law intrinsically necessary to democracy and capitalism is no more "natural" than communism.