Your Paragon of Virtue Posted October 11, 2003 Report Posted October 11, 2003 Well, if they're promoting abstinence and chastity in the midst of the current HIV epidemic in Africa, wouldn't that be the right thing to do? Uganda spent no money on such programs regarding contraception, but rather into chastity and abstinence programs. Lo and behold, Uganda last I checked had the lowest HIV rate in all of Africa. I understand what you guys are saying, but perhaps it's not a bad thing if instead of using condoms to have sex, that the people who are at risk of HIV just don't have sex at all. It seems like the safest alternative, given their situation. Hell, even in here; if any of you were about to have sex with someone that was HIV positive, even while wearing a condom, would you have sex with them? I sure as hell wouldn't.
Stephen Joseph Posted October 11, 2003 Report Posted October 11, 2003 Wow, someone rational! Yay Paragon!
Firestarter Posted October 11, 2003 Report Posted October 11, 2003 Wow, someone rational! And wrong. "Condom use rates have also markedly increased in Uganda, especially in non-regular sexual relationships. Between 1995 and 1998, there was no significant decline in the proportion (about 10%) of people reporting having at least one non-regular sexual partner in the last 12 months; however, the proportion of people using a condom in the last sexual encounter with a non-regular sexual partner in the last 12 months more than doubled from 33% in 1995 to 50.7% in 1998." - UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs And no, Uganda doesn't have the lowest rate of HIV infection in Africa either. Senegal's is something like one-tenth of Uganda's, and some other west African countries are lower still. YPoV, this is getting to be a habit. You seem to be a halfway decent poster, you're unfailingly civil, and you always address the subject at hand concisely and substantively. However, any figures, evidence, or data you offer are usually false. I'm starting to instinctively question practically everything you say, because I don't know if you're deliberately advancing questionable or incorrect data in order to further your own arguments, or if you really don't know that what you're saying is simply not true. Frankly, if at this point you told me that there's a lot of oil in Saudi Arabia, I'd call the DoE and check the figures. Unless you're happy to reduce your credibility with every post, I suggest you do some basic research before making false assertions. Or become a better liar.
Stephen Joseph Posted October 12, 2003 Report Posted October 12, 2003 Ah, should've checked my facts then. POV quoted something false. Hmm, well, thanks marney for pointing that out. I still maintain the original point me and Tyler seemed to agree on though, which was basically a feeling that this cardinal isnt speaking for all catholics, and by saying that im a dirty rotten sinner. I should go confess
snuffbox Posted October 13, 2003 Report Posted October 13, 2003 How can the catholic church even try to take a stance on anything sexual. This group has done more harm in this area than any other in the world. One abused child is a horrible sin, catholic priests/cardinals/followers have made this a sickening epidemic by commiting and allowing this. Now the churches hierarchy wants to convince Africa not to use condoms. This is the continent with the worst AIDS problem in the world, and the birthplace of the disease. It appears that the catholic churches current main function is that of a 'Kinsasha Highway' for closet sexual immorality and the promotion of VD genocide. Sad.
Guest wrestlingbs Posted October 13, 2003 Report Posted October 13, 2003 How can the catholic church even try to take a stance on anything sexual. This group has done more harm in this area than any other in the world. One abused child is a horrible sin, catholic priests/cardinals/followers have made this a sickening epidemic by commiting and allowing this. Now the churches hierarchy wants to convince Africa not to use condoms. This is the continent with the worst AIDS problem in the world, and the birthplace of the disease. It appears that the catholic churches current main function is that of a 'Kinsasha Highway' for closet sexual immorality and the promotion of VD genocide. Sad. The scary part is, you're kinda right. And it doesn't make the church look any better when their only response to the mountain of evidence supporting condoms is, "Well, they are all wrong." You'd think they would have something a little bigger than that, like proof or something.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted October 14, 2003 Report Posted October 14, 2003 Wow, someone rational! And wrong. "Condom use rates have also markedly increased in Uganda, especially in non-regular sexual relationships. Between 1995 and 1998, there was no significant decline in the proportion (about 10%) of people reporting having at least one non-regular sexual partner in the last 12 months; however, the proportion of people using a condom in the last sexual encounter with a non-regular sexual partner in the last 12 months more than doubled from 33% in 1995 to 50.7% in 1998." - UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs And no, Uganda doesn't have the lowest rate of HIV infection in Africa either. Senegal's is something like one-tenth of Uganda's, and some other west African countries are lower still. YPoV, this is getting to be a habit. You seem to be a halfway decent poster, you're unfailingly civil, and you always address the subject at hand concisely and substantively. However, any figures, evidence, or data you offer are usually false. I'm starting to instinctively question practically everything you say, because I don't know if you're deliberately advancing questionable or incorrect data in order to further your own arguments, or if you really don't know that what you're saying is simply not true. Frankly, if at this point you told me that there's a lot of oil in Saudi Arabia, I'd call the DoE and check the figures. Unless you're happy to reduce your credibility with every post, I suggest you do some basic research before making false assertions. Or become a better liar. Wrong wording. I meant that the drop in HIV rate was substantial in Uganda, as they had it go from something like 20-30% to 8% in ten years. My point was that abstinence seems like a logical step, as the intensive behavioural changes have been successful, and while there are other options, at a time like this, this seems to be the best one. After the president started those programs the HIV rate has dropped significantly. I mean really, it seems much safer to make sure that the people with HIV don't have sex, as opposed to using a condom. I think that point still stands. Why risk spreading it and making the situation worse? I mean, if the church tried convincing young people in First World Nations to not have sex, well, that's a different story. Their intentions are good. "Halfway decent poster" I guess that's about the nicest thing that Marney will ever say to me. Unfailingly Civil? Just a nice guy. "Better Liar" Eh, I don't lie really, or make this stuff up. I just happen to be too trusting of sources that I get this sort of information from, and am pretty gullible. When that happens, I come off as an idiot.
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