Should an ousted official be allowed to keep

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Back in Bill Clinton's final days, he pardoned a bunch of people and signed a number of unreasonable bills, which were pulled back by George W Bush with great ruckus. Only in his final months did Clinton pass a bill banning snowmobiles in national parks. When Bush pulled it, essentially giving us what we always had, people complained and the media focused on it like it was some great crime, when we were only going back to the status quo.

 

Now in California, Arnold has asked Gray Davis to stop signging bills until he can get sworn in, but Davis has recently passed a bill giving equal benefits to gay unions as married couples and passed legislation allowing local water boards to kill logging proposals if considered environmentally unfit.

 

Should an official on his way out be able to make actions like this on their way out, or should there be a freeze until the newly elected official comes in?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

In this case I say no. It's different for a president leaving and someone who was forced out of office.

 

Davis should not be allowed to leave such a mess that Arnold would have to spend most of his early days undoing all of it.

 

And I say especially for Davis b/c he will do the most classless thing and try and ruin the state as much as possible before Arnold can get there.

[Justice 0]

That's a real interesting question. On one hand you have a man who is about to leave office who is passing all sorts of legislation that may cause gridlock after his successor comes in while you have gridlock before the successor comes in. A very nice question, Jobber. I'd say that the lame duck should stop since he's no longer the representative of the people, but I suppose I could be convinced otherwise in some situations.

[Guest Plushy Al Logan]

In this case I say no. It's different for a president leaving and someone who was forced out of office.

 

Davis should not be allowed to leave such a mess that Arnold would have to spend most of his early days undoing all of it.

 

And I say especially for Davis b/c he will do the most classless thing and try and ruin the state as much as possible before Arnold can get there.

Sounds about right. Clinton was not forced out, neither was Bush Sr. so I see no problem with them passing laws. Davis on the other hand should have been packing up his shit.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Davis should not be allowed to leave such a mess that Arnold would have to spend most of his early days undoing all of it.

To Davis' credit, if he doesn't make any action towards these bills they would all automatically pass and we would have 200+ new laws. Maybe Arnold meant he should have veto'ed them all, but that isn't exactly clear.

 

What I'm talking about is basically a freeze on all bills at the Governor's Desk.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Wow, he passed a gay rights bill?

 

Good for him, even though it's a bit late.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Davis should not be allowed to leave such a mess that Arnold would have to spend most of his early days undoing all of it.

To Davis' credit, if he doesn't make any action towards these bills they would all automatically pass and we would have 200+ new laws. Maybe Arnold meant he should have veto'ed them all, but that isn't exactly clear.

 

What I'm talking about is basically a freeze on all bills at the Governor's Desk.

That's different. I'm mostly against Davis signing bills like the drivers liscenses for illegals and such. Anything that would be totally for special interest groups.

[Guest Just Looking]

It's still his job, so it's still his right.

[Guest MikeSC]

Back in Bill Clinton's final days, he pardoned a bunch of people and signed a number of unreasonable bills, which were pulled back by George W Bush with great ruckus. Only in his final months did Clinton pass a bill banning snowmobiles in national parks. When Bush pulled it, essentially giving us what we always had, people complained and the media focused on it like it was some great crime, when we were only going back to the status quo.

 

Now in California, Arnold has asked Gray Davis to stop signging bills until he can get sworn in, but Davis has recently passed a bill giving equal benefits to gay unions as married couples and passed legislation allowing local water boards to kill logging proposals if considered environmentally unfit.

 

Should an official on his way out be able to make actions like this on their way out, or should there be a freeze until the newly elected official comes in?

In the case of Clinton, it was tasteless and juvenile --- but he had every right to do it. He was the President until January 20, so he has a right to do it.

 

Davis? No, he does not have that right. He was voted out of office by the people, so he clearly is NOT their representative.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Here's what Davis has signed and vetoed. Interesting ones in bold.

 

Again, keep in mind, if he makes no action they pass and become law:

 

SIGNED:

Affordable housing -- SB619, by Sen. Denise Ducheny, D-San Diego. Simplifies the approval process for affordable housing.

 

Attorney-client privilege -- AB1101, by Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento. Gives attorneys the option of revealing confidential attorney-client information if they believe it necessary to prevent a criminal act likely to result in death.

 

Breast cancer -- SB1075, by the Senate Health and Human Services Committee. Requires the Department of Health Services to include in its educational materials about breast cancer information about risk factors in younger women, and alternatives to mammography.

 

CalPERS -- AB719, by Assemblywoman Gloria Negrete-McLeod, D-Chino, lets members of CalPERS purchase up to five years of service credit to improve their retirement benefits.

 

Death benefits -- AB933, by Assemblywoman Sarah Reyes, D-Fresno, makes stepchildren of law enforcement officers or firefighters who die in the line of duty eligible for death benefits.

 

Dietary supplements -- SB582, by Sen. Jackie Speier, D-Daly City. Bans the sale of dietary supplements that contain ephedra.

 

Domestic partnerships -- AB17, by Assemblywoman Christine Kehoe, D-San Diego, requires companies that want to do business with the state to offer the same benefits to domestic partners as they do to married couples.

 

Drug offenders -- SB599, by Sen. Don Perata, D-Oakland. Allows drug offenders who have successfully finished a drug rehabilitation treatment program to have their arrest record cleared of drug offenses.

 

Gambling -- SB814, by Sen. Edward Vincent, D-Inglewood. Extends the current moratorium on building new non-Indian gambling establishments from 2007 to 2010.

 

Gun control -- AB161, by Steinberg. Allows the Dealers Record of Sales fee traditionally used to conduct background checks on gun purchasers to be used to enforce other firearms regulations.

 

Homeowners associations -- AB 1525, by Assemblyman John Longville, D-Rialto, will give residents of California's 36,000 homeowners associations new rights to fly flags and put up signs.

 

Indian gambling -- SB621, by Sen. John Burton, D-San Francisco. Provides local governments with $25 million from the Indian Gambling Special Distribution Fund to ease the impact of tribal casinos.

 

Indian gambling -- SB411 and SB930, by Ducheny. Ratified compacts with the Torres Martinez, Santa Ysabel, and La Posta tribes allowing them to share slot machine revenues with the state's general fund. The money will address effects of the casinos.

 

Land conservation -- AB859, by Assemblyman George Nakano, D-Torrance, directs $25 million to the Coastal Conservancy for the purchase and restoration of the Ballona Wetlands in Los Angeles County.

 

Logging -- SB810, by Burton. Requires that logging on private land be approved by state water boards as well as by the state Department of Forestry.

 

Medical marijuana -- SB420, by Sen. John Vasconcellos, D-Santa Clara. Establishes a program under the state Department of Health Services that provides medical marijuana users with a card that protects them from arrest.

 

Ocean farming -- SB245, by Sen. Byron Sher, D-Stanford. Bans ocean farming of salmon, exotic and genetically modified fish off the coast of California.

 

Prenatal health -- SB875, by Sen. Martha Escutia, D-Norwalk. Requires the Department of Health Services to produce an educational brochure aimed at young parents and pregnant women discussing the importance of staying active and eating fruits and vegetables.

 

Privacy -- AB68, by Assemblyman Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, requires operators of commercial Web sites that collect personally identifiable information to conspicuously post a privacy policy.

 

Private land -- AB396, by Assemblyman Tom Harman, R-Huntington Beach, requires the Department of Fish and Game to work with non-governmental agencies to increase wildlife-related recreational activities on private lands.

 

Recycling -- AB28, by Assemblywomen Fran Pavley, D-Agoura Hills, and Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara, increases the deposit amount for beverage containers.

 

Tax breaks -- SB114, by Sen. Tom Torlakson, D-Martinez. Bans California's cities from offering cash subsidies, tax breaks and other financial incentives to lures large stores and car dealers from neighboring cities.

 

Voters' rights -- AB190, by Assemblyman Lloyd Levine, D-Sherman Oaks, requires that even if a person uses the wrong type of provisional ballot, votes for candidates and measures for which he or she is eligible to vote will be counted.

 

Workers compensation -- AB149, by Assemblywoman Rebecca Cohn, D-Saratoga, extends the statute of limitations to apply for workers compensation death benefits in the case of firefighters who die from asbestosis.

 

 

 

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VETOED:

College fees -- SB 328, by Escutia. Would have allowed undocumented immigrants to apply for financial aid at California community colleges.

 

Class size -- SB556, by Sher. Would have allowed schools to have up to 22 students per class and still receive extra state funding intended to keep class sizes below 20.

 

AIDS prevention -- SB774, by Vasconcellos. In an attempt to reduce AIDS and other diseases, this bill would have let pharmacies sell up to 30 hypodermic needles to an adult without a prescription.

 

Immigration -- SB933, by Sen. Joe Dunn, D-Santa Ana. Would have given Californians of Mexican descent who were forcibly deported to Mexico during the Great Depression until 2007 to seek damages for losses to their families.

 

Prisoner education -- AB1219, by Assemblywoman Cindy Montanez, D-San Fernando, would have created statewide standards for inmate education.

 

Property tax -- AB94, by Assemblywoman Judy Chu, D-Monterey Park, would have allowed some local governments to raise property taxes above Proposition 13's 1 percent cap to fund pension obligations for programs that were approved before July 1, 1978.

 

Voting systems -- AB828, by Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, would have required counties using an electronic voting system to establish backup voting procedures for use if the system fails.

 

Living wage -- AB1093, by Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, D-Mountain View, would have required the state to pay its workers a living wage.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I say sure. After all, if a person wasn't allowed to pass legislation after the next successor was elected what's the point in having him/her around?

 

Also, it's interesting to see what a pol. does when running for re-election is no longer on the line.

 

In addition, didn't Clinton do something regarding arsenic-in-water standards in his last days, and when Bush did something about it Big Media went OMG Bush wants to kill us all!...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

In addition, didn't Clinton do something regarding arsenic-in-water standards in his last days, and when Bush did something about it Big Media went OMG Bush wants to kill us all!...

I'm not sure about that one, but I do know the snowmobiles in national parks one was one of those where that happened. I know it'll blow your mind, but one of MICHAEL MOOREFAT LOL2003's books goes over this and what a shithead Clinton was for doing it.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Now if you're going to incorporate that whole LOL2003 with Mikey, you NEED to come up with a better name than just "MICHAEL MOOREFAT." At least "Faux News" has some wordplay to it...

[Guest MikeSC]

I say sure. After all, if a person wasn't allowed to pass legislation after the next successor was elected what's the point in having him/her around?

 

Also, it's interesting to see what a pol. does when running for re-election is no longer on the line.

 

In addition, didn't Clinton do something regarding arsenic-in-water standards in his last days, and when Bush did something about it Big Media went OMG Bush wants to kill us all!...

Yes. Clinton lowered the allowed level of arsenic level in water to a level so low that almost every public water system in the country would have to spend untold millions to be in accordance with the law (even though the new standards, according to health officials, would have no noticeable impact on public health). When Bush recalled them back to the level that they had been FOR MANY YEARS (including Clinton's entire term), the Dems (and, of course, the press) stated that he wants to poison the nation's water supply and other such asinine pablum. Geez, even O'Reilly wouldn't make a claim THAT ridiculous about ANYTHING.

 

Clinton's post-election actions were amongst the most juvenile in U.S history and, eventually, history will absolutely destroy him for it. BUT, he had every right to do it.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I'm not sure about that one, but I do know the snowmobiles in national parks one was one of those where that happened. I know it'll blow your mind, but one of MICHAEL MOOREFAT LOL2003's books goes over this and what a shithead Clinton was for doing it.

I'm sure Mikey wants snowmobiles allowed in parks -- heaven forbid he go CROSS-COUNTRY SKIING.

 

Damn, I'm trying to think of a "LOL" to go with him, but I can't. The best I can come up with is something like "MOOREFOOD"...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

How about MIKEY FATFACE LOL2003?

 

Or FATTY MCFATFAT?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Fatty McFatfat works for me.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I don't really like either one -- but if it does it for you, go for it...

[Anakin Flair 0]

Wow, he passed a gay rights bill?

 

Good for him, even though it's a bit late.

Probably because he knows he'll never have to worry about re-election again

[NoCalMike 0]

What's wrong with the medical marijuana & domestic partner bills?

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Wow, he passed a gay rights bill?

 

Good for him, even though it's a bit late.

Probably because he knows he'll never have to worry about re-election again

Exactly, and that's why I personally support allowing ousted officials sign bills.

[The Czech Republic 0]

My feeling on this major issue is that I concur with using "Fatty McFatFat."

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

So no "Moore Calories Than Most?..."