BoboBrazil 0 Report post Posted October 15, 2003 The move by both Masa Chono & NWA-TNA management to bring Hulk Hogan into the fold for their respective companies is producing an enormous earthquake in the wrestling business - an earthquake that few people on the surface truly realize is happening. You have seen all the reporting on the Internet on Hogan's deal with New Japan, but none of the pieces of the puzzle have been put together yet. I will do that in this article, and hopefully give you a perspective from the Japanese as to what is happening. Hulk Hogan's split from Vince McMahon has led to incredible bitterness on the part of both men. Hogan desparately wants to become the leader of the second big American wrestling company and wants to become Vince's top rival. McMahon is always keeping his eye out on Hogan and figuring out what moves to plot next. Hogan wants to compete with McMahon but do it with a project that he knows there is a chance of success and a business proposition where he can control his own deal and not spend a dime in the process. For Antonio Inoki, Inoki has always been both jealous and angry at McMahon since Inoki made a loan to McMahon of $1 million dollars in 1985 for McMahon to create Wrestlemania. When Wrestlemania was a huge success at MSG, McMahon immediately paid Inoki off and cut ties for good. Inoki was furious and has been looking at ways for revenge. This led to the wars of 1991, where New Japan tied with WCW and SWS tied with WWF. When the New Japan/WCW relationship got stronger under the watch of Eric Bischoff, New Japan paid up to $750,000 a year for the rights to the "nWo" gimmick which was used for nWo Japan. Chono & Mutoh were the two big names in that heel group. Mutoh left New Japan when Inoki continued to exert his influence, while Chono stayed behind due to his huge payday that he gets from the company. Facing more and more pressure from Inoki to produce a shoot-style product, Chono pulled the ultimate power play - he started negotiating with Hulk Hogan. The move by Chono to bring in Hogan wasn't by design, initially. Chono had talked with Don Muraco about establishing a deal with Muraco's HCW (Hawaii Championship Wrestling). However, after one show (in late July), Chono was so disappointed that he immediately turned his eyes to Hogan. Hogan was the biggest free agent in the American wrestling business, and he (Hogan) had already received big money offers from Japan, including one from DSE (PRIDE). With Jimmy Hart managing talks, Hogan did what he does best - he played both sides to get the best deal possible. While negotiations continued between New Japan & Hogan's camp (with Brad Rheingans), Hogan was also talking with NWA-TNA. There were rumors of Hogan vs. Jeff Jarrett for a big PPV on 11/30. Once the rumors became more substantiated, New Japan became more interested. If they brought in Hogan to work for them, Hogan in turn could be their bridge to hook them up with NWA-TNA and get on American PPV/TV. And in the process, Hogan could politically control his career while making $3-5 million dollars if he plays his cards right. For both Chono & NWA-TNA, the idea of bringing Hogan into the fold benefits them both - but for very different reasons. For Masa Chono, the idea of bringing in Hulk Hogan was relatively easy. The risk was low (he had marks in Japan flocking to finance the deal because Hogan to many people is 'wrestling' no matter what), and if the deal paid off at the 10/13 Tokyo Dome show, Chono immediately gained power and Inoki would lose it. The end result saw Hogan vs. Chono as the one bright spot with fans who saw the event. Hogan got over, and in the process Chono went over Inoki politically. Inoki's continuing vision of the shoot matches, of the shoot-style never caught fire in Japan. However, Hogan got a reaction. He got over. The shoot matches did not. In the process, Chono has managed to do something over Inoki that he hasn't been able to for a long time - change the direction of the company. It wasn't the vale tudo matches you saw in the press getting coverage, it was Hogan vs. Chono getting attention. It was pro-wrestling getting the spotlight from the vale tudo fights. Chono's gamble was simple - if Hogan got over, it would bring attention back to pro-wrestling in Japan. It would perhaps lead to a change in direction, and in a scary theory, Hogan could help revive the Japanese scene back to its roots. Chono's theory didn't need much time to be tested - it worked. The day after the Tokyo Dome show, Antonio Inoki blasted the show. Inoki said that he was not happy with the attendance, he was not happy with what he saw, and he bashed the nostalgia of the wrestling matches (Hogan/Chono and the elimination match, which was a takeoff of the early 80s elimination matches). Inoki tipped his hand to the press - he was not happy with Hogan's involvement dominating the show. It took away from the vision he's been trying to promote. Inoki further came out and said that if the 11/3 Yokohama Arena show (with a lot of shoot/kickboxing fights and no Hogan) doesn't go according to his plan, he's going to fire a lot of people. That condemnation of his own company and vision didn't go over the heads of the average Japanese fan - they know what the deal really is. For Chono, it was a brilliant power-play. For Inoki, he's finding himself in the losing end of the stick with the attention being taken off of him. For Inoki, the only positive spin he can give on the matter is PR-wise in Japan. If the NJ/NWA-TNA relationship goes well and causes Vince McMahon problems, Inoki will be the very first person you see in the press proclaiming victory for his company teaming up with an ally to chip away at WWE. For Hulk Hogan, working back in Japan is icing on the cake. He gets paid $250,000+ a match, Jimmy Hart gets a cut of the deal, he controls his own match politics (hence Chono using the 'matchmaker' gimmick in public), and he can make money by bridging NWA-TNA together with New Japan. However, Hogan made an even smarter move by associating with NWA-TNA. He knows that they are going to meet his price tag, and he knows that they will give him what he wants. He's given NWA-TNA the ultimate "sleep with the devil" proposition - if they go along with what he wants to do, he'll bring the power of name recognition to the table. He'll help NWA-TNA with getting the attention of American TV executives, and ultimate it will lead to a national TV deal for the promotion - something they need for survival. USA Networks, FOX, ABC, HBO, you name a network without wrestling on it - and you will find that there a lot of TV executives who suddenly become very interested in wrestling programming once the name of Hulk Hogan is mentioned. In the end, NWA-TNA will benefit short-term - in the long-term, Hulk Hogan benefits. It's always been that way, and always will be that. At age 50, Hogan is proving that he is still (far and away) the smartest man in the wrestling business. Hogan's ties with NWA-TNA puts Vince McMahon in a very tough position. McMahon's company is free-falling, no momentum is being gained, and now his main opposition on PPV just got the biggest free agent with huge name recognition. The quandry Vince McMahon is in is simple - if he starts attacking Hogan and NWA-TNA publicly, all he does is legitimatize them. Doing that, he would elevate both parties which is completely against what he wants to do. However, McMahon is desparate and a war will definitely break out. If Hogan is successful in NWA-TNA, it may spark what the American business has needed since WCW's demise - competition. For NWA-TNA, bringing Hogan into the fold is brilliant for international relations. More specifically, with the Japanese. New Japan will be willing to pay big bucks to start a talent exchange program where NJ will send midcard and low-card guys to work NWA-TNA PPVs in exchange for NWA-TNA guys being sent to Japan. For NWA-TNA, if they can send guys to Japan, it will give them major leverage in booking talent and bringing in top wrestlers. It will also give them the chance to book wrestlers and not have to pay for their salaries. That right there is the sweetheart portion of this equation. Hulk Hogan sealed his fate with Vince McMahon when he told the Japanese press the day before the 10/13/03 Tokyo Dome show that he was not going to show up at Wrestlemania 20 at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Hogan's words of "I'm bored with Vince. No more WWE. No more Vince." sealed his fate into the position he is in. For Hogan, he will be able to command what he wants, remain in the spotlight, and make millions of dollars doing it at age 50. For NWA-TNA, bringing in Hogan will ultimately land them what they desparately need for survival - money and a TV deal. For New Japan, bringing in Hogan will help Chono the booker steer the company away from press attention on the shoots. For Antonio Inoki, he may own his company but he just lost a lot of power in the process. His own positive spin is if his 'boy' Hogan ends up hurting Vince McMahon in the United States. If Inoki cannot regain the focus of his company towards shootfighting, he will create his own promotion and stay away from New Japan - which for true pro-wrestling fans is what they want.. -Zach Arnold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 15, 2003 great report and I agree... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 15, 2003 SOLELY for the idea of talent swapping...this Hogan signing is terrific. Then throw in that they already exceeded my expectation for the Jarrett/Hogan storyline... You know...if enough outside forces continue to push me like this...i may stop hating Hogan. ...for a while anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 15, 2003 great article.......I totally agree with everything.......I honestly think this could help me like Hogan again. Think about this.....Hogan has the possibility of reviving wrestling competition in North America and bringing it back in Japan.......WTF? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldSchoolWrestling 0 Report post Posted October 15, 2003 But is that what Hogan really wants? Or does he just want to cause enough waves that Vince has no choice but to squash it by signing him for WMXX? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 15, 2003 great article.......I totally agree with everything.......I honestly think this could help me like Hogan again. Think about this.....Hogan has the possibility of reviving wrestling competition in North America and bringing it back in Japan.......WTF? It's INSANE, isn't it? It's MUCH to early to get one's hopes up - this is Hogan, after all, he could take a quick paycheck and cut n' run back to Vince at any time, or so my paranoia tells me. But if he DOES pull this off.......damn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 15, 2003 and let's face it Hogan would just LOVE to say he revived wrestling THREE times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tim Cooke 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 It's from Puroresu Power as well. Usually nice to give credit. www.puroresupower.com Tim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 16, 2003 I'd love to hear what you think about this whole deal Cooke... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 It's from Puroresu Power as well. Usually nice to give credit. www.puroresupower.com Tim I think most of us know who Zach Arnold is and what his site is. Asshole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 16, 2003 I Didn't know who he was... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 Note the "most of us" part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 This is great and all but how many non-smarks do you think know about Inoki and NJPW? They'll know Hogan for sure but only Muta and Hakushi to my knowledge have gotten over in America who do the majority of their fighting in Japan. WCW Starrcade 95 with the NJPW invasion and a big main event only did a .36 buyrate. Kudos to Hogan if he can bring TNA to prominence but I hope too much money and time isn't invested into the deals with NJPW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Real Nosferatu Report post Posted October 16, 2003 We Want Liger! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tim Cooke 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 Note the common courtesy. But that's it. Tim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 16, 2003 This is great and all but how many non-smarks do you think know about Inoki and NJPW? They'll know Hogan for sure but only Muta and Hakushi to my knowledge have gotten over in America who do the majority of their fighting in Japan. WCW Starrcade 95 with the NJPW invasion and a big main event only did a .36 buyrate. Kudos to Hogan if he can bring TNA to prominence but I hope too much money and time isn't invested into the deals with NJPW. Liger was pretty huge and Tanaka was huge in ECW... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 This is great and all but how many non-smarks do you think know about Inoki and NJPW? They'll know Hogan for sure but only Muta and Hakushi to my knowledge have gotten over in America who do the majority of their fighting in Japan. WCW Starrcade 95 with the NJPW invasion and a big main event only did a .36 buyrate. Kudos to Hogan if he can bring TNA to prominence but I hope too much money and time isn't invested into the deals with NJPW. Liger was pretty huge and Tanaka was huge in ECW... Yeah Liger got a huge pop back in 1991 when I saw him fight Pillman but flash forward to the Juvi incident and I don't remember him being too big. Tanaka was over with the ECW crowds because they got psyched for Japanese workers and he'd kill himself for Awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 16, 2003 Liger was a big name in the early 90's for the WCW...bigger then Steamboat was. Then again, EVERYONE was a bigger draw then steamboat...even Jim Duggan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 Liger was a bigger name in early 90's WCW then Ricky Steamboat? Are you joking? Liger worked an Omni Christmas show, with Steamboat and Rhodes' tag bout heavily promoted and Liger's bout with Pillman hardly hyped. Steamboat was the focus of the Dangerous Alliance's "attempt to injure someone" at the Clash in January 92. Steamboat also helped revive WCW from dead to awake with his return at the November 1991 clash. Liger hadnt even debuted. Steamboat had a huge program built with Rude that lasted from January 92 to the summer of 92, main eventing house shows, and featured on TV. Steamboat also had the feature bout (or co-feature) at Beach Blast 92 and WrestleWar 92, and was the biggest FACE on the card for the tag title tournament at Great American Bash 92. Liger had a great match with Pillman at SuperBrawl 2. He had what, 3 months in the spotlight, a little run around December 1992, and a 2 week run in 1995. Liger a bigger draw? No way. Steamboat had the worst theme music ever, but c'mon... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 16, 2003 Steamboat drew Horrible for NWA/WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 My argument is not that Steamboat drew horribly. Your comments that Liger was a bigger name and drew better is the problem. How could either Liger or Steamboat be faulted for WCW's lousy numbers when Luger/Sting/Vader/Simmons had the belt. Both Steamboat and Liger came in to stop the bleeding, so from Jan-June 92 they weren't going to work miracles (see: 2003, Goldberg, Bill). But Liger was unheard of in the U.S. before January '92. His 2 month promotion did not make him a bigger star than Steamboat. Liger feuded with Ricky Morton while Steamboat was MEing against one of the top heel stables ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 If this all goes down as well as it sounds I would be mazed and forever worship Hogan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 16, 2003 My argument is not that Steamboat drew horribly. Your comments that Liger was a bigger name and drew better is the problem. How could either Liger or Steamboat be faulted for WCW's lousy numbers when Luger/Sting/Vader/Simmons had the belt. Both Steamboat and Liger came in to stop the bleeding, so from Jan-June 92 they weren't going to work miracles (see: 2003, Goldberg, Bill). But Liger was unheard of in the U.S. before January '92. His 2 month promotion did not make him a bigger star than Steamboat. Liger feuded with Ricky Morton while Steamboat was MEing against one of the top heel stables ever. I thought the NWA had a deal with Zero-One. That might cause a small problem with a deal with NJPW. And I don't think NJPW is going to draw huge in Nashville. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 My argument is not that Steamboat drew horribly. Your comments that Liger was a bigger name and drew better is the problem. How could either Liger or Steamboat be faulted for WCW's lousy numbers when Luger/Sting/Vader/Simmons had the belt. Both Steamboat and Liger came in to stop the bleeding, so from Jan-June 92 they weren't going to work miracles (see: 2003, Goldberg, Bill). But Liger was unheard of in the U.S. before January '92. His 2 month promotion did not make him a bigger star than Steamboat. Liger feuded with Ricky Morton while Steamboat was MEing against one of the top heel stables ever. I thought the NWA had a deal with Zero-One. That might cause a small problem with a deal with NJPW. And I don't think NJPW is going to draw huge in Nashville. -=Mike Nashville is very pro-hick so those "darn japs" coming in booked as mean heels would be quite over and draw in even non-smark fans from the South. Elsewhere I don't think it'd work. As far as TNA/Zero-One deal, there are no set working agreements. It's not like America. I think Z1/NJPW have worked together but I'm not sure. I know Z1 and AJPW work together often but AJPW and NJPW aren't friendly if I remember correctly. I think NWA-TNA would choose NJPW over Z1 and I would as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 16, 2003 My argument is not that Steamboat drew horribly. Your comments that Liger was a bigger name and drew better is the problem. How could either Liger or Steamboat be faulted for WCW's lousy numbers when Luger/Sting/Vader/Simmons had the belt. Both Steamboat and Liger came in to stop the bleeding, so from Jan-June 92 they weren't going to work miracles (see: 2003, Goldberg, Bill). But Liger was unheard of in the U.S. before January '92. His 2 month promotion did not make him a bigger star than Steamboat. Liger feuded with Ricky Morton while Steamboat was MEing against one of the top heel stables ever. I thought the NWA had a deal with Zero-One. That might cause a small problem with a deal with NJPW. And I don't think NJPW is going to draw huge in Nashville. -=Mike Nashville is very pro-hick so those "darn japs" coming in booked as mean heels would be quite over and draw in even non-smark fans from the South. Elsewhere I don't think it'd work. As far as TNA/Zero-One deal, there are no set working agreements. It's not like America. I think Z1/NJPW have worked together but I'm not sure. I know Z1 and AJPW work together often but AJPW and NJPW aren't friendly if I remember correctly. I think NWA-TNA would choose NJPW over Z1 and I would as well. It's not so much Nashville being hick. Like Cornette said --- What works in Tokyo might not work in Nashville since the societies involved are mildly different. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 16, 2003 Why hasn't TNA tried to move around a little? You can't GROW if you stay in the same damn town...I'm not saying go to LA or Miami but at least hit Louisville, Cincy, Philly places where wrestling is well known...and still in the area... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 I'd love to see this work well for TNA, but I just have to be a little skeptical about Hogan's involvement. I just have a feeling it will not work out because of the money Hogan demands. TNA will not get a TV deal or get "big" over night. So who is going to pay for Hogan when the money is stretched a little bit, because costs will go up with Hogan around (wanting to get TNA to prominense) I realize money has to be spent to make your business bigger, but who will be footing the bills? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SinToxic 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 NJPW (Chono), AJPW (Muto) and Z-1 (Hashimoto) work fine between each other, they even hinted on doing a super show but that's not on the horizon right now. Zero-One got good ties with MLW, but TNA never seemed interested in getting guys like Kojima, Tanaka and Kea for some reason, but I'm pretty happy that they'll be getting Tiger Mask 4 from NJ, it'll take him one 6 min match to get over with the fans here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eirejmcmahon 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2003 But is that what Hogan really wants? Or does he just want to cause enough waves that Vince has no choice but to squash it by signing him for WMXX? Ding! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 16, 2003 I'd love to see this work well for TNA, but I just have to be a little skeptical about Hogan's involvement. I just have a feeling it will not work out because of the money Hogan demands. TNA will not get a TV deal or get "big" over night. So who is going to pay for Hogan when the money is stretched a little bit, because costs will go up with Hogan around (wanting to get TNA to prominense) I realize money has to be spent to make your business bigger, but who will be footing the bills? The Panda people Share this post Link to post Share on other sites