U.N. Passes Resolution To Support U.S. in Iraq

[Guest MikeSC]

 

So where are those WMDs again?

6 months and they still haven't found any WMD

 

or Bin Laden

or Saddam

Ask ANYBODY and they'll tell you the same thing:

 

Finding ONE GUY in a region full of his supporters is nigh impossible.

 

As for WMD --- just wait.

-=Mike

but you wingers couldn't wait for Hans Blix to find any WMDs to rush to war. but now you guys want us to give David Kay more time to find "intent" of getting WMDs, and wasting 600 million of our tax dollars.

 

the hypocrisy of the right is amazing.

No. We right-wingers recognized that:

 

a) Blix is an idiot who couldn't differentiate his ass from a hole in the ground if you gave him two free guesses. Saddam had NO problem with as chief inspector for a reason.

 

b) Even if Hans WAS competent, with Saddam in power, there'd be nothing but delays and refusals to investigate everywhere (though, if Saddam truly had nothing, why wouldn't he welcome investigations EVERYWHERE?)

 

If looking for WMD's would take years before, why should it only take months now?

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

but you wingers couldn't wait for Hans Blix to find any WMDs to rush to war. but now you guys want us to give David Kay more time to find "intent" of getting WMDs, and wasting 600 million of our tax dollars.

 

the hypocrisy of the right is amazing.

You fucking moron. The difference between Kay and Blix? One doesn't have a hostile government constantly working against his efforts. You couldn't do proper searches against a Government when the Government still had the power to move things, misdirect your people, and constantly thwart your efforts to go where you needed to go.

 

We've never had a clean go at Iraq, which is why all the UN Inspectors back before the war were useless: We'd never get the evidence we needed because the criminals always had a chance to hide it. We have a clean chance now, we just need to actually look.

 

It's funny that people try to claim hypocrisy when the situations are different in a very fundamental way.

 

like you right-wingers are making any better points.

 

btw

nice to see who the next president of the US is on your sig.

 

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is hilarious. We bring up evidence, you bring up unresearched rhetoric. Hell, you rarely bring up any points that aren't outside of the basic "I'm a liberal but I don't actually look into things" variety.

 

And did you know that Dean is calling for a repeal of all tax cuts? Mondale 2K4 :lol:!! The fact that Lieberman is still hanging with him and Clark is ahead of him is a testament to his electability.

QUOTE=jpclemmons,Oct 20 2003, 03:17 PM] but you wingers couldn't wait for Hans Blix to find any WMDs to rush to war. but now you guys want us to give David Kay more time to find "intent" of getting WMDs, and wasting 600 million of our tax dollars.

 

the hypocrisy of the right is amazing.

You fucking moron. The difference between Kay and Blix? One doesn't have a hostile government constantly working against his efforts. You couldn't do proper searches against a Government when the Government still had the power to move things, misdirect your people, and constantly thwart your efforts to go where you needed to go.

 

We've never had a clean go at Iraq, which is why all the UN Inspectors back before the war were useless: We'd never get the evidence we needed because the criminals always had a chance to hide it. We have a clean chance now, we just need to actually look.

 

but in 6 months. David Kay has found nuthin but papers saying that Saddam had the intent of purchasing WMD programmes. not the actual weapons. and the UN has done a pretty good job of disarming Saddam since the Gulf War 12 years ago.

 

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is hilarious. We bring up evidence, you bring up unresearched rhetoric. Hell, you rarely bring up any points that aren't outside of the basic "I'm a liberal but I don't actually look into things" variety.

 

and you get your evidence from FOXnews, newsmax.com and screaming right radio like Limbaugh and Hannity

Jesus Christ, man, learn to use the quote function or DON'T USE IT AT ALL. This post was nigh impossible to read --- and for once, it wasn't just the lack of substance behind the argument. Looks like you quoted the same thing THREE STRAIGHT TIMES and it is not terribly easy to even pick out your weak response --- certainly not worth the effort to do so.

=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

remember Bush's "No child left behind" act of 2002. thats supossed to give minority schools funding(IIRC).

 

And the federal government is supposed to make states fund the schools now? OK.

 

Keep in mind that the programs in Bush's plan are almost identical to the ones the Dems have long supported --- and are as underfunded as they have been for years.

 

The federal gov't has no business in education.

 

Former Energy Secretary Bill Richardson

''We're the world's greatest superpower, but we have

a 3rd World electricity grid. "

 

"We need to bring our power grids back to the 21st century.  We need to

modernize our grids, but to do that, we need to set up a national "rules

of the road" on governing and managing and especially providing better

access to the nation's transmission system.  Presently, utilities just

use the electric lines in the same way that truckers use highways, they

have no interest in upgrading the grids, no more than truckers have an

interest in fixing potholes on the highway.  So it's the role of

government to help set up the financial incentives for utilities to

build new transmission lines.  "

 

Well, gee, with that, I suppose we have our blueprint now.

 

No need to actually think of HOW TO DO WHAT HE SAID. Well, we need to upgrade the grid. Well, gee, thanks Captain Obvious.

 

Or, just for shits and giggles, to ask WHY DIDN'T RICHARDSON DO IT?

 

It's not like the power grid SUDDENLY became antiquated.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

remember Bush's "No child left behind" act of 2002. thats supossed to give minority schools funding(IIRC).

 

And the federal government is supposed to make states fund the schools now? OK.

 

Keep in mind that the programs in Bush's plan are almost identical to the ones the Dems have long supported --- and are as underfunded as they have been for years.

 

The federal gov't has no business in education.

 

Former Energy Secretary Bill Richardson

''We're the world's greatest superpower, but we have

a 3rd World electricity grid. "

 

"We need to bring our power grids back to the 21st century.  We need to

modernize our grids, but to do that, we need to set up a national "rules

of the road" on governing and managing and especially providing better

access to the nation's transmission system.  Presently, utilities just

use the electric lines in the same way that truckers use highways, they

have no interest in upgrading the grids, no more than truckers have an

interest in fixing potholes on the highway.  So it's the role of

government to help set up the financial incentives for utilities to

build new transmission lines.  "

 

Well, gee, with that, I suppose we have our blueprint now.

 

No need to actually think of HOW TO DO WHAT HE SAID. Well, we need to upgrade the grid. Well, gee, thanks Captain Obvious.

 

Or, just for shits and giggles, to ask WHY DIDN'T RICHARDSON DO IT?

 

It's not like the power grid SUDDENLY became antiquated.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Go to Baghdad. Go tell a child on the street who watched his mother being raped and his father getting shot in the head that no one had the right to kill the madman who left him an orphan. Go to a Kurdish village and tell the people there that they deserved to be human guinea pigs for a tyrant's chemical arsenal. Go dig up a mass grave containing thousands upon thousands of men, women and children, corpses buried dozens deep - go dig it up and grab one of the countless skulls staring blindly into the dirt and shout in its face that we were wrong.

 

Go do that. Then shriek your petty sarcasm to the wind

 

you could pretty much say that about Uzbekistan(a country of the coalition). should we liberate them as well?

Nah. I say we follow your lead and just let all of them suffer.

 

No need to help others unless the U.N asks us to.

 

Or, in other words, no need to EVER help others.

-=Mike

[Guest jpclemmons]

Well, gee, with that, I suppose we have our blueprint now.

 

No need to actually think of HOW TO DO WHAT HE SAID. Well, we need to upgrade the grid. Well, gee, thanks Captain Obvious.

 

Or, just for shits and giggles, to ask WHY DIDN'T RICHARDSON DO IT?

 

It's not like the power grid SUDDENLY became antiquated.

 

if the republicans didn't get in the way of Richardson's energy bill. we might have a 21st century grid about now.

Edited October 22, 2003 by jpclemmons

[Guest jpclemmons]

 

Yes. And the fact that your smiley implies ambivalence to the idea at best and antipathy at worst is in itself an adequate commentary on the moral bankruptcy of the left.

 

I'm a moderate democrat who believes that this admistration has put us in a quagmire for many years for the way they have executed this war.

 

 

Nah. I say we follow your lead and just let all of them suffer.

 

No need to help others unless the U.N asks us to.

 

Or, in other words, no need to EVER help others.

 

should our foriegn policy be used to liberate every country with a two-bit dictator we don't like?? I didn't see your hero Bush get in a big hurry to liberia until the liberals put the heat on him.

Edited October 21, 2003 by jpclemmons

[Guest jpclemmons]

Jesus Christ, man, learn to use the quote function or DON'T USE IT AT ALL. This post was nigh impossible to read --- and for once, it wasn't just the lack of substance behind the argument. Looks like you quoted the same thing THREE STRAIGHT TIMES and it is not terribly easy to even pick out your weak response --- certainly not worth the effort to do so.

 

hey, I just started posting here last week. unlike you who clicked three times to post.

[Guest jpclemmons]

Hmm, we had MORE countries in this action against Iraq than we had in 1991. We have rebuilt our intelligence. We have liberated Pakistan AND Iraq

 

I think the country is called Afghanistan. and the leader Kharzai only controls the area around Kabul. the rest of the country is ruled by repressive warlords who are much like the taliban, and is the number one opium growing country in the world.

 

on the coalition issue

 

hmm let's see here

 

Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan

 

how many of these countries(other than the UK, Turkey, Australlia, and Poland) actually sent troops and money to help us in Iraq??

[Vyce 0]

 

Yes. And the fact that your smiley implies ambivalence to the idea at best and antipathy at worst is in itself an adequate commentary on the moral bankruptcy of the left.

 

I'm a moderate democrat who believes that this admistration has put us in a quagmire for many years for the way they have executed this war.

You have absolutely NO concept of what a real "quagmire" truly is.

 

And you're not a moderate Democrat. I know many moderate Democrats. The most liberal of them doesn't even prescribe to your sad "Republicans are the root of all evil, Bush is the Great Satan" line of thinking.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Just wondering, JP, how did you come to hear about TSM? I'm always curious to know where new blood arrives from...

[Guest jpclemmons]

You have absolutely NO concept of what a real "quagmire" truly is.

 

haven't you read any news in Iraq about soldiers being killed there everyday, oil lines being blown up by terrorists, and the rising anti-american sentiment going on around there?? sure there's some good news coming out of Iraq. but I knew the place be a quagmire after the war because three seperate groups are trying to take over the power vaccum in Iraq.

 

 

And you're not a moderate Democrat.  I know many moderate Democrats.  The most liberal of them doesn't even prescribe to your sad "Republicans are the root of all evil, Bush is the Great Satan" line of thinking

 

where do you get the "Bush is the great satan" rethoric coming out of my post?? so anybody that bashes Bush and idiotic policies to you people is anti-american? anything that doesn't agree with your ideology is "treasonous"???

Edited October 22, 2003 by jpclemmons

[Guest jpclemmons]

Just wondering, JP, how did you come to hear about TSM? I'm always curious to know where new blood arrives from...

I was a lurker here for about 5+ months. I just wanted to give the opposite view of what the majority are saying around here.

[Guest MikeSC]

Well, gee, with that, I suppose we have our blueprint now.

 

No need to actually think of HOW TO DO WHAT HE SAID. Well, we need to upgrade the grid. Well, gee, thanks Captain Obvious.

 

Or, just for shits and giggles, to ask WHY DIDN'T RICHARDSON DO IT?

 

It's not like the power grid SUDDENLY became antiquated.

 

if the republicans didn't get in the way of Richardson's energy bill. we might have a 21st century grid about now.

Care to mention a bill that the GOP killed that would fix the problem?

 

God knows nobody mentioned one at the time --- and I doubt the Dems would sit on that kind of info.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

should our foriegn policy be used to liberate every country with a two-bit dictator we don't like?? I didn't see your hero Bush get in a big hurry to liberia until the liberals put the heat on him.

 

The situation in Liberia is screwed beyond repair. Both sides are bad. There is a full-fledged civil war going on and BOTH sides are equally bad. It's not like the rebels are a better option. At least with Iraq we had NO alternative to deal with.

 

You want a quagmire? Try dealing with that.

 

We got Taylor to go away. And, unlike the rest of the world, we actually DID SOMETHING --- rather than sitting back and fretting ad nauseum.

 

You know, saying that Bush wouldn't have done it without somebody "making" him is absurd as the rest of the world DIDN'T DO ANYTHING PERIOD.

 

Small difference there.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

I think the country is called Afghanistan.

 

Yup, you're right.

 

and the leader Kharzai only controls the area around Kabul. the rest of the country is ruled by repressive warlords who are much like the taliban, and is the number one  opium growing country in the world.

 

Hmm, the area where we DO have world-wide support for rebuilding is a hellhole. The area where we do NOT is actually getting better.

 

Funny, huh.

 

on the coalition issue

 

hmm let's see here

 

Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan

 

how many of these countries(other than the UK, Turkey, Australlia, and Poland) actually sent troops and money to help us in Iraq??

 

Umm, probably all of them. Can you prove otherwise?

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

haven't you read any news in Iraq about soldiers being killed there everyday, oil lines being blown up by terrorists, and the rising anti-american sentiment going on around there?? sure there's some good news coming out of Iraq. but I knew the place be a quagmire after the war because three seperate groups are trying to take over the power vaccum in Iraq.

 

Shockingly, EVERYBODY who goes over there personally almost UNIVERSALLY says that the situation over there is not NEARLY as bad as the media portrays over here. It's hardly as bad as the press reports.

 

Heck, one must wonder why the press chooses to exaggerate the negative so much.

 

where do you get the "Bush is the great satan" rethoric coming out of my post?? so anybody that bashes Bush and idiotic policies to you people is anti-american? anything that doesn't agree with your ideology is "treasonous"???

 

Ah, anybody who asks must assume you're a traitor?

 

Open the mind. You might feel a little better.

-=Mike

[Justice 0]

Well, gee, with that, I suppose we have our blueprint now.

 

No need to actually think of HOW TO DO WHAT HE SAID. Well, we need to upgrade the grid. Well, gee, thanks Captain Obvious.

 

Or, just for shits and giggles, to ask WHY DIDN'T RICHARDSON DO IT?

 

It's not like the power grid SUDDENLY became antiquated.

 

if the republicans didn't get in the way of Richardson's energy bill. we might have a 21st century grid about now.

Was this the Democratic one proposed after the blackout? That thing was basically a "Just fix only the stuff we REALLY REALLY NEED TO" bare bones package. If that's the one, the Republicans were right to kill it since just fixing a few short circuits doesn't help when the whole system is bad. Christ, this is like talking to Tyler with half the tact and grammar.

[Justice 0]

You have absolutely NO concept of what a real "quagmire" truly is.

 

haven't you read any news in Iraq about soldiers being killed there everyday,

Have you ever heard the phrase "Freedom is not Free"? Probably not. Personally I'd rather have a soldier die defending someone else's freedom instead of massive death due to a tyranical dictator retaking power because people like you didn't have the balls to stay and actually fight for someone else's freedom.

 

oil lines being blown up by terrorists,

 

I honestly don't remember this. Can you cite a source here?

 

sure there's some good news coming out of Iraq. but I knew the place be a quagmire after the war because three seperate groups are trying to take over the power vaccum in Iraq.

 

If you know as much about the current situation in Iraq as you do the weapons inspections currently going on, I'd say you know absolutely jack shit.

 

Question: Which story draws viewers to a News Show? Soldiers dying or soldiers building a school?

 

Answer: The former. Why? Because for the news industry, bad news is news people will tune in to see. Remember round-the-clock coverage of the Sniper in D.C, the O.J. trial, and all that? They want bad things to happen because that puts up ratings. Maybe not literally "wants", but death and destruction is a far greater than happy stuff. Hell, one wonders how so many wars past could have been waged had the public been so freaky about casualties. If it were up to people like you we would have given up at Valley Forge or Antietam or Kasserine Pass or so many other harsh battles.

[Justice 0]

I'm a moderate democrat who believes that this admistration has put us in a quagmire for many years for the way they have executed this war.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Now THAT'S funny. Just to ask, how the hell SHOULD we run this war? I mean, if you have a better way of it, I'd like to tear it to shre-I mean, hear it.

 

should our foriegn policy be used to liberate every country with a two-bit dictator we don't like?? I didn't see your hero Bush get in a big hurry to liberia until the liberals put the heat on him

 

Oh shut up. You really like to shovel bullshit, don't you? You know why we don't eliminate dictators in Africa right now? Because there isn't a possibility of fixing stuff at the moment. They lack any sort of economic or political infrastructure that would allow for any type of change from US Military action, dimwit. Those COULD turn into Vietnams. Iraq has both of the above, making a governmental change like the one we are doing very possible.

 

And now I go to bed. More in the morning.

[Guest jpclemmons]

I'm done aruging with you people on this thread. if you guys can't admit to the facts that are happening right now. I feel sorry for you.

[Justice 0]

I'm done aruging with you people on this thread. if you guys can't admit to the facts that are happening right now. I feel sorry for you.

If you can't bring up any facts to support your piss poor argument, then stop crying and acting all confused and leave already. You can't bring up anything that supports your argument and your little rhetorical questions have backfired right in your face because we gave you an answer that you didn't want. Read a book, actually check your shit, and then when you are a bit more informed of the actual issue at hand, come back.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm done aruging with you people on this thread. if you guys can't admit to the facts that are happening right now. I feel sorry for you.

Ah, the on-line version of the "loser's limp" that track stars pull off when they've been smoked in a race.

-=Mike

...Toodles. You won't be missed

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I'm done aruging with you people on this thread. if you guys can't admit to the facts that are happening right now. I feel sorry for you.

I love it when someone ends with the You-are-all-ignorant line. An Oldie but Goldie...

[Red Baron 0]

nah,

 

just trying to discuss politics to americans is just the same as trying to help a parapalegic to climb a ladder. It hardly works :-D

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Yeah yeah yeah -- we all know America sucks and if we had any brains whatsoever we'd bolt straight to Europe...

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

No way, it costs something like six bucks for a pack of smokes in England, or so I've heard.

[Guest MikeSC]

nah,

 

just trying to discuss politics to americans is just the same as trying to help a parapalegic to climb a ladder. It hardly works :-D

You know, if you're going to insult people's intellect, you might wish to include some in your own posts.

 

Just an idea for the future.

-=Mike

[Firestarter 0]

trying to discuss politics to americans is just the same as trying to help a parapalegic to climb a ladder. It hardly works

Imagine the reaction if I had said something like that about the French (again). But hey! - we're only bashing America, so it's A-OK! Just like it's also A-OK to say that white Republican men are bigots because they want a colour-blind society (as dreamt of by that disgusting sell-out, that shameless, pandering, self-loathing Uncle Tom, Dr Martin Luther King) which judges people solely on their merits, but it's unacceptable to say that blacks, women, or Democrats are bigots because they prefer to hire, educate, and appoint only people whose skin colour, genitalia, and political views fit the quotas, "diversity programs," and left-of-sanity judicial activism they want.

 

What grand fun! - being a hypocrite means you never have to acknowledge the facts!

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Now, now Marney -- you're just being ignorant. If you can't admit the facts of being an American and discussing politics I really feel sorry for you...