This talk about TNA Expansion

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I just know we're going to get screwed.

 

They're coming to Spencerport...and being IN Western New York my whole life...I don't know where that is.

 

I'm sure they could get a good crowd in Buffalo...in fact I think they could get a great crowd...

 

but counting on Rochester is way different.

 

I hope they don't see the bad turn out in Spencerport and discount all of Western New York.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Meltzer has stated in the Observer that ROH needs 450 to break even. The rest after that (including video sales) is pure profit. He has also stated that ROH will not be going back to Pittsburgh because of low attendance.

 

Meltzer has also said that ROH has been DYING to get into Buffalo because of the strong fan base there and the ability to draw from other markets (Ohio, Toronto, Rochester and Syracuse). They couldn't find a building though. I think they are in BIG trouble in Rochester. If they draw well, I'll be shocked (but very happy). The fringe wrestling fans in Buffalo are not going to go 60 miles to Rochester to see this show. Buffalo is a great wrestling town. Rochester isn't. Toronto is an hour farther from Rochester than it is from Buffalo. That might discourage some. Plus, they're going head to head with the World Series. I think this show is doomed and might cause them to not come back. On the ROH message board, Gabe wrote that all the buildings in Buffalo were too expensive, so I guess that's the reason.

 

TNA has made a profit on 1 show - the Raven v. Jarrett show. Panda doesn't care about a profit right now, as they think TNA has a great future and Meltzer has REPEATEDLY reported that they are very excited about learning about the wrestling business. If Panda cared about making a profit, TNA would have been dead a year ago. Panda is a HUGE company, and the minor losses that TNA nets them are probably like us losing a dollar every week.

 

People can say that ROH makes money and TNA doesn't, and the work is far superior, and that's all true. But.....it doesn't matter right now. TNA's goal is to go national, and I don't think that is ROH's goal. TNA is banking on losing some money in order to make it in the long run (1 step back, 2 forward). It is a very different animal from ROH, and to compare them is crazy. TNA has been seen by more people and is way more easily accessible for people to see.

[eirejmcmahon 0]

And as of the print deadline for today's WON, Hogan still had not signed a contract with TNA yet.

Thanks Tim.

[Guest CubbyBear]

TNA has not made *any* profit in the history of their company. That is a fact.

 

 

ROH, on the other hand, has to sell 400 tickets to break even on a show. Anything after 400 tickets and *all* video tape sales are profit. They have failed to reach 400 twice in 2003, both times in Pittsburgh, and they will not be returning there.

 

Tim, what you don't understand is that ROH's expenses are probably a very small fraction of what TNA's expenses are. If ROH had to spend as much money as TNA does on doing a live PPV each week, paying written contracts, etc they wouldn't be making much of a profit either.

 

About exposure:

 

ECW got National TV on TNN and failed to produce in the ratings and also failed to deliver higher buy rates.

 

WCW, in it's dying days, drew 2.5's on Nitro (which is more people watching their show then TNA could imagine possible) but couldn't deliver on PPV. Product was a problem but the last 3 PPV's were a much improved step up from the dismal 2000 PPV's which Russo produced.

 

Let's see, ECW was on at 7:00 or 8:00 on a Friday night so of course they wouldn't get ratings. Tim, you might sit at home Friday nights and watch TV but a lot of people are out and that generally isn't a very good timeslot to get ratings.

 

As far as WCW goes - the fans were burned so many times by WCW with the regime changes and what not they refused to give them more chances and I don't blame them.

 

Bottom line, making money is how you suceed in the business. Panda will run out of money if TNA doesn't make a profit.

 

WCW, with Ted Turner's large sums of money, ran out of money. No one ever thought that would happen.

 

TNA will eventually start making more profits as it gets better and more exposed. And again, you don't understand common sense. I would say that TNA makes just as much, if not more, money than ROH but the thing is their expenses are that much bigger so it's harder for them to make a profit. Put ROH on a PPV with the expenses of running a live show each week, written contracts, etc and see how much of a profit they make.

 

And, please, check your facts before running your mouth - Ted Turner didn't run out of money. In fact, he was furious when he found out that WCW was sold because he wanted to keep it. It was Brad Siegel that sold it because the higher-ups didn't want wrestling on TNT and TBS.

 

Regardless of TNA's wrestling and storylines, they have a small syndicated show which doesn't reach many of the top 20 markets and the one's they are in don't even show up in the ratings.

 

Still more exposure than ROH gets.

 

Oh and Sting being a draw....when did he draw last? 1997 is the answer, against Hogan/NWO. Sting isn't a draw. In TNA, Jarrett and Raven and even Styles are more of a draw than Sting is.

 

Sting, besides Hogan, is probably the biggest drawing free agent out there and that's a fact. IF you bring him in and feature him on a couple shows and then build to a big match on a big show (which Dutch Mantell, according to everyone, knows how to do) then he's draw.

[Slingshot Suplex 0]

With all the big name indy talent that ROH uses,how can they make profit from 450 paid? I would think they'd need more. Or is a good chunk of it tape sales?

[Michrome 0]

At 450 paid, they break even. MOst of the time these days they get a lot more than 450, but yes, a ton of the profit is in tape sales.