Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I'd love to see Benoit go over to Raw. Reason being is feuds with A-Train are useless and we've seen the Benoit/Angle thing done a million times, of course he wouldn't just be brought over to be brought over. I've always seen Jericho as the next coming of Flair (If you're reading this Trips, sorry to burst your bubble) and I think since they aren't going to allow Benoit to have a Title run they could make Benoit into Jericho's Enforcer. That could set-up a Benoit/Michaels feud which would be damn good while Jericho went back to a feud with Goldberg that ended up with Goldie losing the title to Jericho(with help from Benoit), thus setting up a Benoit/Goldberg feud. I think its far better than anything Raw has going for it now personally, and in a tribute to Stu Hart they can call themselves "The Canadian Stampede" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I'd like to see interpromotional matches again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 Yeah, we'll send the Crippler to RAW. So he can lose to Mark Henry. Leave Chris where he is, away from Triple H and Henry. I agree on interpromotional matches, that might be fun and at least it'll give us SOMETHING new. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 Send Jericho over to SD. Then you can mix and match Jericho Angle Benoit Eddy Hardy Benjamin Mysterio That could give you months of matches that would get my money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 Yeah, we'll send the Crippler to RAW. So he can lose to Mark Henry. Leave Chris were he is, away from Triple H and Henry. I didn't bring Trips or Mizark into it because its not something I'd like to see. Stick with the idea and not what politics would have happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 Benoit Vs. Gowen! The Crippler Vs. The Cripple! Think of the ratings! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 Benoit Vs. Gowen! The Crippler Vs. The Cripple! Think of the ratings! If Benoit truly has gone on to use the Sharpshooter as his finisher then he can't beat Gowen. They should have Gowen face Droz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I'd love to see Benoit go over to Raw. Reason being is feuds with A-Train are useless and we've seen the Benoit/Angle thing done a million times, The feud with Train was useless because WWE didn't build up Train at all. They had already fought like 5 or 6 matches with Benoit winning all of them. Benoit/Angle being done a million times is better than Angle/Brock a million times which did shit buyrates/ratings/matches. of course he wouldn't just be brought over to be brought over. I've always seen Jericho as the next coming of Flair (If you're reading this Trips, sorry to burst your bubble) He is? Could have fooled everyone including Jericho. Jericho can do moves and isn't an asshole in real life. I think since they aren't going to allow Benoit to have a Title run they could make Benoit into Jericho's Enforcer. And what an enforcer he'd be. Besides the fact that heel Benoit only gets heat from the fact that he's opposing an over face, what kind of enforcer is your height and weight and has traded wins with you? That could set-up a Benoit/Michaels feud which would be damn good while Jericho went back to a feud with Goldberg that ended up with Goldie losing the title to Jericho(with help from Benoit), thus setting up a Benoit/Goldberg feud. How would being Jericho's bodyguard set up a Benoit/Michaels feud? Last I checked Shawn's beef was with Evolution and Goldberg and Jericho was fighting with Austin. The Benoit/Goldberg feud would be great. A chance to retire another excellent Canadian competitor. I think its far better than anything Raw has going for it now personally, and in a tribute to Stu Hart they can call themselves "The Canadian Stampede" That's personal opinion So right now what we can conclude would make you watch RAW is: a.)Disrupting two programs with no explanation, one which has the potential for a double turn and a match at WM where Jericho retires one of the biggest names in pro wrestling b.)Focusing two feuds on Goldberg c.)Putting two of WWE's best workers in feuds with Goldberg who has been injury prone thus far I'm glad you don't book RAW because I'd STOP watching. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 And what an enforcer he'd be. Besides the fact that heel Benoit only gets heat from the fact that he's opposing an over face, what kind of enforcer is your height and weight and has traded wins with you? Have you seen Arn Anderson, he's not exactly what you call a Giant. Also in the haydays of the old Horseman Flair and Anderson ended up feuding only to reunite so there goes you whole arguement on that subject How would being Jericho's bodyguard set up a Benoit/Michaels feud? Last I checked Shawn's beef was with Evolution and Goldberg and Jericho was fighting with Austin. The Benoit/Goldberg feud would be great. A chance to retire another excellent Canadian competitor. As stated in previous threads I haven't been watching it, last I saw Jericho was feuding with Michaels. If Jericho is being wasted on a man who can't wrestle that's truly, truly sad. To answer your question though where Michaels is in the ring mouthing off at Jericho while Jericho is on the ramp. Benoit comes out of the crowd, knocks down Michaels, locks on the crossface and Jericho comes down with a few cheap kicks to the head, thus Benoit/Michaels...and if Michaels isn't babyface enough to make Benoit draw heel heat I don't know who is. On another subject I would never allow Goldberg to do his standing sidekick ever again if I was booking since he doesn't know how to do so properly So right now what we can conclude would make you watch RAW is: a.)Disrupting two programs with no explanation, one which has the potential for a double turn and a match at WM where Jericho retires one of the biggest names in pro wrestling b.)Focusing two feuds on Goldberg c.)Putting two of WWE's best workers in feuds with Goldberg who has been injury prone thus far a.) My programs don't lead to the belt going back to a man who shouldn't be in the ring right now since I hear Goldberg will be jobbing it right back to Trips, and it also doesn't waste Jericho on a man who can no longer wrestle in Austin. I also don't see who Jericho would be retiring as Trips aint leaving, Austin can't wrestle, and Goldberg won't job to him at such a large event b.) Only to move Goldberg down the food chain and send him to Mid-Card c.) It would draw considerably more than Goldberg and Mizark though wouldn't it? I'm glad you don't book RAW because I'd STOP watching I bet people here wish I could somehow book the board then so you would stop coming Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 Have you seen Arn Anderson, he's not exactly what you call a Giant. Also in the haydays of the old Horseman Flair and Anderson ended up feuding only to reunite so there goes you whole arguement on that subject Anderson was a bulky, burly man with a painful looking spinebuster. I remember one time in 95 where they pulled the wool over Sting's eyes by feuding with each other. There might have been other times however. Also the situation is different. They did the fighting after the Horsemen were together and it was always pretty much known they'd get back together. Jericho and Benoit fought plenty of times and they finally joined together against the power trip then split up. It's different than Flair/Anderson. As stated in previous threads I haven't been watching it, last I saw Jericho was feuding with Michaels. If Jericho is being wasted on a man who can't wrestle that's truly, truly sad. To answer your question though where Michaels is in the ring mouthing off at Jericho while Jericho is on the ramp. Benoit comes out of the crowd, knocks down Michaels, locks on the crossface and Jericho comes down with a few cheap kicks to the head, thus Benoit/Michaels...and if Michaels isn't babyface enough to make Benoit draw heel heat I don't know who is. On another subject I would never allow Goldberg to do his standing sidekick ever again if I was booking since he doesn't know how to do so properly I'm supposed to do research on your opinions? I'm not saying the feuds are good but it's even worse if you end feuds without explanation. I said there was a possibility of Jericho retiring Austin which hopefully is where this feud leads. You described the set up for Benoit/Michaels but you didn't describe how to end Austin/Jericho and Shawn/Evolution/Goldberg. a.) My programs don't lead to the belt going back to a man who shouldn't be in the ring right now since I hear Goldberg will be jobbing it right back to Trips, and it also doesn't waste Jericho on a man who can no longer wrestle in Austin. I also don't see who Jericho would be retiring as Trips aint leaving, Austin can't wrestle, and Goldberg won't job to him at such a large event b.) Only to move Goldberg down the food chain and send him to Mid-Card c.) It would draw considerably more than Goldberg and Mizark though wouldn't it? So because the programs don't involve HHH that makes them automatically good? Also here's a booking tip for you. If feuding Goldberg with Jericho and Benoit sends him to the midcard, guess where Jericho and Benoit go too to feud with him? How do you know it would draw? Brock/Angle which everyone said would produce great matches got shitty buyrates and ratings and mediocre, if not bad, matches. Also, Mizark wasn't funny in the first place and being used 5 years later makes it even less funny. I bet people here wish I could somehow book the board then so you would stop coming I've noticed people make personal attacks against me when I point out that their ideas are stupid and explain why. Some choose to not even back up their points and go straight for the personal attack. I informed the mod team. It's in their hands now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I've noticed people make personal attacks against me when I point out that their ideas are stupid and explain why. Some choose to not even back up their points and go straight for the personal attack. I informed the mod team. It's in their hands now. From what I've seen you do nothing but insult or sicken other board members, so here ya go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I bet people here wish I could somehow book the board then so you would stop coming I've noticed people make personal attacks against me when I point out that their ideas are stupid and explain why. Some choose to not even back up their points and go straight for the personal attack. I informed the mod team. It's in their hands now. Dude, that was in DIRECT response to what you said to him. Stop being so sensitive. You have been in a mood lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I said I don't like his booking. He said he doesn't like me. There's a difference. If I've been in a mood it's because I can't discuss anything with anyone here without stome stupid flame coming into it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 Why don't they just end the brand split? It's obvious it isn't working and no new fans have been created. The current fan base doesn't believe that they are separate brands. The brand split is foolish. People here will say "No, cause then my favorites won't get air time and all the shows will have is HHH". Wrong, the shows will be filled with the uselessness that is the GM/Authority figure/Matchmaker roles. You will end up seeing a ton of whoever is in that role because WWE doesn't know how to come up with a different writing format. Just end the brand split. No one will know the difference anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 The idea of it was to give workers a day off and to put the younger guys on TV more. McMahon-a-mania ruined it, but people like Randy Orton and John Cena have benefited because of the split. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin3164life 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I think if they were to end the Brand Split, it would be a disaster since they are just starting to establish it in the past few months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank The Tank Report post Posted October 23, 2003 I think if they were to end the Brand Split, it would be a disaster since they are just starting to establish it in the past few months. And people like Benoit, RVD, Hardy etc will get even less tv time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MixxMaster 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2003 AGREED. Ending the split would be the WORST thing to happen to the WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2003 Yeah people complain that before the split a lot of people weren't getting tv time and now that the new guys are featured, people just want to end the split? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2003 If the split created new stars, I wouldn't say end it. But the brand split has created exactly one star. (Brock) Cena and Orton aren't over enough to headline a ppv without it blowing entirely. Cena headlined Backlash with Brock, but that ppv was sold on Rock vs Goldberg. Cena is not a draw. I don't see how ending the brand split would be bad for business. Business wasn't hurt before the split and that was a good year after WCW folded. Business wasn't in the toilet then. I bet it wouldn't be all that effected now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2003 Honestly, I think they should maintain the split, but I think they need to include more interpromotional storylines such as the GM from Raw quarrelling with the SD GM, those days of Steph/Eric trading insults/wrestlers were truly the good stuff. Remember, ever since they permanently ended those storylines, we've had HHH become RAW champion and Show becoming main eventer on SD and nothing of note happened since with the obvious omission to Eddie's insta-push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 23, 2003 as far as the split goes it would be better if the Sports Entertainment guys were on one roster and the pure wrestlers were on the other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notJames 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2003 They are. And it's not working. RAW has the "big names" like Trips and Austin, and to a lesser extent, Jericho and Flair. Sure does make for some rousing 20-minute promos, but not much else. SD! has the majority of great workers like Angle, Benoit, and Guerrero, yet doesn't quite have the star power to keep casual viewers interested. So you have to inject the "larger-than-life" McMahon brigade into the mix, and look how much good that's doing. Wrestling is at a financial and creative low, just when the finest workers in the business are finally getting in the spotlight. Time to just accept it and wait for better days. What a fucking shame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 23, 2003 as far as pure wrestling goes if they had a program with a roster of Jericho, Storm, Angle, Benoit, Guerrero(both), WGTT, Nowinski, Rey Mysterio Jr, Ultimo Dragon, and John Cena heading it with some generic OVW jobbers I'd be happy. Also no McMahons...not-a-one on the show, if they need some form of authority have Arn Anderson be the guy who signs the matches. I'm sure he would be happy with a role of just announcing the matches without needing a 10min promo. Also not every match needs to be a part of a feud or lead into a feud, I loved back when they would just have matches between different people who's styles mesh. Give the Sports Entertainment Marks their show and the true wrestling fans a show of their own Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2003 as far as pure wrestling goes if they had a program with a roster of Jericho, Storm, Angle, Benoit, Guerrero(both), WGTT, Nowinski, Rey Mysterio Jr, Ultimo Dragon, and John Cena heading it with some generic OVW jobbers I'd be happy. Lets play "Which one of these wrestlers doesn't belong?" Survey Says: Christopher Nowinski. Hell, he hasn't even been on TV for the last 4 months +... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 23, 2003 as far as pure wrestling goes if they had a program with a roster of Jericho, Storm, Angle, Benoit, Guerrero(both), WGTT, Nowinski, Rey Mysterio Jr, Ultimo Dragon, and John Cena heading it with some generic OVW jobbers I'd be happy. Lets play "Which one of these wrestlers doesn't belong?" Survey Says: Christopher Nowinski. Hell, he hasn't even been on TV for the last 4 months +... I really feel Nowinski could be a good technical wrestling big man one day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites