Guest CubbyBear Report post Posted October 30, 2003 SO this is the great booker that turned some promotion in Puerto Rico around, scoring monster ratings? This is the guy that Meltzer has an orgasm about every time his name is mentioned? Well he hasn't shown us jack shit in TNA. Mantell really needs to start backing up his hype because some of the last TNA shows have been horrendous. Atleast when Russo was booking he tried to push the young guys (and actually wanted to put the belt on Raven but Jarrett refuses) while Mantell brings in old stiffs like Duggen and Rick Steiner. I'm really hoping it gets better because TNA can't keep putting on these type of shows for ten bucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted October 30, 2003 SO this is the great booker that turned some promotion in Puerto Rico around, scoring monster ratings? This is the guy that Meltzer has an orgasm about every time his name is mentioned? Well he hasn't shown us jack shit in TNA. Mantell really needs to start backing up his hype because some of the last TNA shows have been horrendous. Atleast when Russo was booking he tried to push the young guys (and actually wanted to put the belt on Raven but Jarrett refuses) while Mantell brings in old stiffs like Duggen and Rick Steiner. I'm really hoping it gets better because TNA can't keep putting on these type of shows for ten bucks. For the LAST FUCKING TIME. Raven didn't have a contract past April 30th. That was his big shot. He Passed it up. Styles hot the big push after it and got it because he had a long term WRITTEN Contract. It. Wasn't. Jarrett's. Fault. Raven has been around LONGER Than Jarrett (15-16 yrs I think), so how is HE a young guy? Duggan made appearences BEFORE Mantell came, ditto Steiner so it's not his fault. It's probably Jeromy Borash's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CubbyBear Report post Posted October 30, 2003 I'm not saying Raven is a young guy - I meant that Russo tried to push young guys AND wanted to put the belt on Raven, who was over as hell at the time. And if it wasn't because of Jarrett's ego why didn't they just set up a rematch when Raven signed the long-term contract and put the belt on him then? he was still over as hell. Duggen and Steiner were brought in before but atleast they weren't part of the main storyline. Bottom line is that the guy has been hyped like hell and he hasn't done shit to help the product yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dvkorn Report post Posted October 30, 2003 I think actually Jarrett has been around longer than Raven or similar amount of time anyway... Jarrett debuted in 1986 while i think Raven did in like 88... but Raven i think i older... Raven is like 38, 39 i think... and Jarrett is about 36 or 37.... but i think the evidence of the booking cannot happen in a short time... Dutch has only been in control for a little while and good builds are ones that a slow and culminate to something special... so seeds are probably being planted now for a blowoff match in like 6 months... well, heres hoping anyway... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted October 30, 2003 I'm not saying Raven is a young guy - I meant that Russo tried to push young guys AND wanted to put the belt on Raven, who was over as hell at the time. And if it wasn't because of Jarrett's ego why didn't they just set up a rematch when Raven signed the long-term contract and put the belt on him then? he was still over as hell. Duggen and Steiner were brought in before but atleast they weren't part of the main storyline. Bottom line is that the guy has been hyped like hell and he hasn't done shit to help the product yet. Like I said, once Raven blew his big shot, Styles (a young guy Russo wanted the push) got the title...and Russo got to fuck him up. Duggan's last appearence had him bury Mike Sanders TWICE in two weeks. And we haven't seen him in a long time. Rick Steiner last TNA match was the #1 Contenders Rumble match where he for a guy who was a ringer, got a lot of time in the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CubbyBear Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Like I said, once Raven blew his big shot, Styles (a young guy Russo wanted the push) got the title...and Russo got to fuck him up. Duggan's last appearence had him bury Mike Sanders TWICE in two weeks. And we haven't seen him in a long time. Rick Steiner last TNA match was the #1 Contenders Rumble match where he for a guy who was a ringer, got a lot of time in the ring. They still could have put the belt on Raven but Jarrett didn't want to because he wasn't "southern" enough and didn't have the look of the NWA champion. Like I said, Duggen wasn't near the main event last time. Steiner was part of a battle royal. He wasn't hyped as a mystery opponent for the NWA champion. Big difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syxx2001 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Get off of Jarrett's dick. You are the new 1 punch with that "He isn't white and have long hair and doesn't ride Pop enough. BUT OH NO. He isn't southern either. Damn IC champ, WCW, WWF reject" stuff you are promoting. Do you know the reason Raven wasn't given the belt. Wait, yes you do. Do you want to accept that reason. You and everyone else at this board DOESN'T. So what do you do? Make up some bullshit to try and give Jarrett some kind of a bad name. And by reading the official thread, it seemed like Duggan was squashed, Rick ran in, got has ass beat and the Jarrett/Sting match was booked. If Im right, HE WASN'T hyped as a opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Like I said, once Raven blew his big shot, Styles (a young guy Russo wanted the push) got the title...and Russo got to fuck him up. Duggan's last appearence had him bury Mike Sanders TWICE in two weeks. And we haven't seen him in a long time. Rick Steiner last TNA match was the #1 Contenders Rumble match where he for a guy who was a ringer, got a lot of time in the ring. They still could have put the belt on Raven but Jarrett didn't want to because he wasn't "southern" enough and didn't have the look of the NWA champion. Like I said, Duggen wasn't near the main event last time. Steiner was part of a battle royal. He wasn't hyped as a mystery opponent for the NWA champion. Big difference. UGh. 1.) Again, If RAVEN wasn't so stupid, then RAVEN was going to walk out of April 30th the Champ. but RAVEN didn't sign a new contract, so Jarrett HAD To retain the title. Why? What if Raven went back to WWE and threw the NWA TItle in the trash? 2.) Raven moved onto feud with Shane Douglas and The New Church, a feud he's WRITING FOR HIMSELF. 3.) Raven holding up the Main Events with Jarrett would suck, and would not allow others Main Event shots. The Promotion doesn't have 11-12 hours of T.V to promote a big show like WWE. They have 1 2 hr. PPV a week and they simply can't put EVERYONE where they want. To end this post, I think Raven winning after SEVERAL Failed chances is a lot sweeter than winning it the first time out. (Reason #1 I hate Brock Lesnar) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syxx2001 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 That "Raven would have went to the WWE" stuff is void. Raven could have sat at home and said "You know what? Im not under contract. I can sit at home and tickle my asshole and they cant do anything about it." holding up the world title picture and everything surround it. Maybe even the whole company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted October 30, 2003 That "Raven would have went to the WWE" stuff is void. Raven could have sat at home and said "You know what? Im not under contract. I can sit at home and tickle my asshole and they cant do anything about it." holding up the world title picture and everything surround it. Maybe even the whole company. True. ::LMAO at the quote of what Raven would say:: I just mentioned WWE cause it would really damage NWA's entire legacy since it's not a TNA grown title. It's the actual NWA Title for all the branched promotions they have. But Raven sitting at home as champ w/o a contract would suck almost the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Same argument that is in every thread. I am looking forward to Jarrett-Sting and the tournament next week, but why must we sit through weeks of dogshit to get a good show? Dutch Mantell is clearly a memphis style booker, which can be good, but when you're stuck building your promotion around Jimmy Hart and Jeff Jarrett in the main event, your hands are kinda tied. At least the shows have been coherent storyline wise since he came, even if they are bad ones.\ If this show was on free TV, it would be acceptable build to a big show. But it's not. So it's not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 The NWA Title legacy has meant nothing since Flair showed up with the title on WWF tv in the early 90s. They might as well stop paying for the NWA name and just call themselves TNA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Speaking o 1inch Punch, whatever happend to him? He die choking to death while sucking Raven's dick? Not hating Raven, cause he's my favorite in TNA, but 1inch has such a hard on for him the joke should be made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 It's funny how they bring in Sting to job to Jarrett. They could've brought in Sting to job to Styles which would've given Styles a HUGE rub Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Doyo Report post Posted October 30, 2003 while Mantell brings in old stiffs like Duggen and Rick Steiner. He may have had nothing to do with bringing them in. Dutch has only been in control for a little while He's not really in control. He is the head booker, but it is not like the old days where one guy could have complete control over a company. He may have all these storylines in his head but then the Jarretts tell him to drop some of them, so they can have airtime for Duggan and Steiner to come in for one-shots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syxx2001 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Wheres that dirtsheet Bob? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 They could've brought in Sting to job to Styles which would've given Styles a HUGE rub Dude, don't you know that Styles is small and the average fan doesn't even know who the hell he is? The real solution to the buyrate problems is Sting vs. Dusty. By the way, Sting vs. Styles would do just as well buyrate-wise as Sting-Jarrett would do. AND it might accomplish something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Sting already jobbed to the scum bag Jarrett in WWA's last show for the World Title. Can't Jarrett at least lose to Sting in a non-title match, or in a title match by DQ or SOMETHING? Sting coming in to do the job would suck ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CubbyBear Report post Posted October 30, 2003 (edited) 1.) Again, If RAVEN wasn't so stupid, then RAVEN was going to walk out of April 30th the Champ. but RAVEN didn't sign a new contract, so Jarrett HAD To retain the title. Why? What if Raven went back to WWE and threw the NWA TItle in the trash? You're absolutely right on that one, my bad, It just completely slipped my mind that Raven didn't sign a long-term contract before going into the April 30th match. 2.) Raven moved onto feud with Shane Douglas and The New Church, a feud he's WRITING FOR HIMSELF. 3.) Raven holding up the Main Events with Jarrett would suck, and would not allow others Main Event shots. The Promotion doesn't have 11-12 hours of T.V to promote a big show like WWE. They have 1 2 hr. PPV a week and they simply can't put EVERYONE where they want. What they could of done (and what was rumored at some point) was that that they could have set up the Jarrett/Raven rematch for the big Anniversary show, AFTER Raven had already signed his long-term contract, and put the belt on him at that show to freshen up the main event scene. Then, to bring in new main eventers into the fold they could have continued Styles' push and moved him into a World title fued with Raven while Jarrett could have been moved down a little in the card and actually had a long-term feud with a younger guy to help him get over. My choice would have been Chris Daniels but I would actually have them feud for a while. And despite what Syxx wants to believe, No I'm not the new 1inch. I like Jarreet in doses and I don't think he uses his political power as much as some people say but he's not all innocent either and doesn't have to go over most of the young guys all the the time. Edited October 30, 2003 by CubbyBear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Wheres that dirtsheet Bob? I assume the match will involve Sting jobbing- if it doesn't- whatever. The fact still remains- They could've brought in Sting to job to AJ. Instead they bring him in to face Jarrett. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CubbyBear Report post Posted October 30, 2003 I assume the match will involve Sting jobbing- if it doesn't- whatever. The fact still remains- They could've brought in Sting to job to AJ. Instead they bring him in to face Jarrett. That's what they should have done for the Anniversary show. A clean win over Sting would give AJ a big boost right off the bat at the beginning of his title run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Somehow I doubt Sting would have agreed to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommytomlin 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 How come we always hear about how Russo only had three months to turn WCW around and how unfair that was, but people are writing off Mantel after TWO weeks? Two weeks, that IMHO, have been pretty good? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Nobody's saying to write him off, but did you really think this week was good? I honestly thought it was the worst show I've seen since the Nitros inbetween the first and second Russo era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommytomlin 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 I missed the first half hour but saw the rest, and I liked it. It seems everyone is shitting on it because Hacksaw and Steiner were the surprises, but I thought it was a good ending. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Get off of Jarrett's dick. You are the new 1 punch with that "He isn't white and have long hair and doesn't ride Pop enough. Fuck You, I'm still around, on a silent protest against bps and Zack Malibu, and currently writing a 2000 word anti-Jarrett essay which is so well written, I wont get flamed for it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Get off of Jarrett's dick. You are the new 1 punch with that "He isn't white and have long hair and doesn't ride Pop enough. Fuck You, I'm still around, on a silent protest against bps and Zack Malibu, and currently writing a 2000 word anti-Jarrett essay which is so well written, I wont get flamed for it You must live a very busy life if you have time to write a 2,000 word essay about professional wrestling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 It's funny how they bring in Sting to job to Jarrett. They could've brought in Sting to job to Styles which would've given Styles a HUGE rub You are so right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted October 30, 2003 You must live a very busy life if you have time to write a 2,000 word essay about professional wrestling. Since I consider that Flaming, how come Cubby Bear isnt getting the abuse I got last week Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Speaking o 1inch Punch, whatever happend to him? He die choking to death while sucking Raven's dick? Not hating Raven, cause he's my favorite in TNA, but 1inch has such a hard on for him the joke should be made. Fuck You -On A silent Protest Against Zack Malibu's Censorship Of Opinion In This Fourm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
