Tremendous ROH Rant I found...

[Phoenix Fury Legdrop 0]

This one is even more awesome in its vengefulness and truth than the great ROH rant I posted on here months ago from Dan Wilson's column. It's from NWA Wildside's ring announcer Jason Martin, from his "Walk on the Wildside" column on the Wildside message board. You have to scroll down a little, but it's there, and you'll notice. Thank Sal SOMEONE gets it....

 

Click here, maaaaan.

[bob_barron 0]

Ring of Dishonor or as I like to call it, Sh**. I’ve despised these guys longer than Rainman has been the Television Champion… and that’s saying something.

Good wrestling= shit? I did not know that

 

They book some of the most insanely overrated talent, guys that wouldn’t know charisma if it walked up, shook hands with them, smacked and paintbrushed them, kicked them in the balls, locked on an STF, then put a finger in their eye socket, all while whispering in their ear. “Hey, nice to meet you, I’m charisma… and you are?”

 

You mean guys like The Carnage Crew, Chris Daniels, AJ Styles and others who can cut promos?

 

And I'm sorry the ROH guys can't cut a good promo. You might as well disregard the MOTYC they've put out because damnit- Samoa Joe is no Rock on the mic.

 

 

And the promotion isn't about Just because the Flying Walindas have been doing it on the trapeze for so long doesn’t mean they’re main eventers in our sport. Trust me, I know eight hundred losers, at them, who can fly around all night long… and there’s a place for it, but shows that pretty much rely on a mix of that and so-called “exceptional workrate” don’t garner much respect from me. Anybody who thinks for one second that somebody who doesn’t talk and doesn’t have any imagination in the ring is tremendous… is WRONG, not just a little wrong, totally incorrect.

 

So cruiserweights cannot be main eventers? I'm sorry that this idiot can't appreciate a WRESTLING show with WRESTLING. The people in ROH do have charisma and can capture a crowd. Does this guy even watch the promotion?

 

When a guy like Iceberg, who twenty years ago would be making six figures because of the uniqueness that surrounds his look and character, who for his size is actually quite valuable, like what he does or not, gets booed out of the building before ever executing a collar to elbow tie up or throwing a punch…

 

Jesus Christ- does this guy know anything? ROH runs a poll asking fans if they want to see superheavyweights in ROH. The fans vote overwhelmingly no.

 

What does ROH do? They book Iceberg. How do they expect the fans react?

 

the fans get nothing from me but, well let’s go with nothing.

 

Damn those fansfor expressing their opinion.

 

Further than that, when an exposing garbage heap like Mark Feinstein, errrrr Rob, puts down the video camera for a few days and thinks… hey, I know it all, the nerd fans love me, why not run my own show to help destroy the business that changed my life from Kid Cuisine least I’ve met frozen dinners on a rickety card table in a roach motel to a rather successful, yet disgusting living… I’m not impressed.

 

PFL- next time you post a rant calling it tremendous- make sure it's coherent first.

 

I have made the statement in the past that if I got a call to do one of their shows, I'd politely decline. Maybe I’m just too damn old fashioned, but although I might make the trip if the money were right considering the career move it would be, the whole time I was there I am positive my job would be to try and convince the powers in charge of why they’ll never be more than a little culty promotion that further embarrasses the wrestling business and pisses the vast majority of us off.

 

First:ROH isn't really trying to be a national promotion

Second: I'm glad this piece of shit hasn't been booked in ROH.

Third: I didn't know putting on MOTYC after MOTYC is an embarrassment.

 

That’s not a knock on most of their talent, I love a lot of the guys they’ve brought up there and certainly all of our guys, but the lack of variety shows a lack of intelligence. If Rob and company are only concerned about pleasing a certain brand of fan, they have most certainly been successful… my point is that it has not at all been good for wrestling. What you see on the tapes or at those shows is just not wrestling the way it was meant to be, and there’s no argument that I’ll hear to change that fact.

 

So what's the point of posting this whole rant if at the end he's revealed to be a closed minded jackass?

 

What you see on those tapes is not wrestling??? Oh boy...

[bob_barron 0]

This one is even more awesome in its vengefulness and truth than the great ROH rant I posted on here months ago from Dan Wilson's column.

 

I read the ROH rant that Dan Wilson did in his interview with Jay and I disagreeed with everything he said.

 

I've never been a fan of wrestling federations dissing other wrestling federations. What the hell is the point?

 

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

It's from NWA Wildside's ring announcer Jason Martin

 

Who I learned is a major idiot.

 

but it's there, and you'll notice. Thank Sal SOMEONE gets it....

 

I didn't know there was something to get.

[Michrome 0]

How was this rant "tremendous"? It was illogical, and stunk of jealousy. What do you do when your promotion's so called MoTY can't lick the pubes of RoH's MoTY? Write illogical rants! Congratulations!

[bob_barron 0]

Damn Michrome-

 

You pretty much summed up what I wanted to in two lines.

 

Good job

[Phoenix Fury Legdrop 0]

Further than that, when an exposing garbage heap like Mark Feinstein, errrrr Rob, puts down the video camera for a few days and thinks… hey, I know it all, the nerd fans love me, why not run my own show to help destroy the business that changed my life from Kid Cuisine least I’ve met frozen dinners on a rickety card table in a roach motel to a rather successful, yet disgusting living… I’m not impressed.

 

PFL- next time you post a rant calling it tremendous- make sure it's coherent first.

 

You don't have to worry about that, Bad Boy Bobby Barron. In fact, you don't have to worry about me posting here AT ALL. I'm sick and fucking tired of all you fucking clapmonkeys creaming over a "technical masterpiece" despite the fact that there's no damn reason to give a flying crap because (insert random guy here) won a four-way, and gets to have his head kicked off by Samoa Joe, and then shakes hands out of RESPECT.

 

There are things I like about Ring Of Honor, but the whole "lack of any emotion whatso-fucking-ever" thing is the number one reason why I don't like ROH. They try to be way too "high-concept", but you can't be high-concept unless you actually use the original concept as its ground base. I have no respect for an organization that prides itself on disrespecting the tradition and value of what wrestling was meant to be. Wrestling was based upon two guys who get so pissed off about something that they just have to kick the living shit out of each other; not some "battle of technique or smarts waltz". If I wanted to watch two guys perform their sport because of "respect for the title" or "athletic competition", I'd watch...you know, an actual, non-worked athletic competition. Hell, I'd probably get more emotional value out of it too.

 

Just to let you know, from exchanging e-mails, Jason did read the thread, and he finds just about every "point" brought up here to be pretty ridiculous. Ridiculous, in the sense that every single reply echoed and reinforced the very reason that the rant was written in the first place, and the reason they will continue to be. But he's glad debate was sparked either way.

 

I know this will be followed up with 20 "blah blah blah, (insert member of Special K) DOES show emotion when he does his flippity-do-has...until he realizes someone just dropped him on his head, so he must no-sell" or "ROH respect tradition, because they brought Jim Cornette in for some shows, or they're bringing in Roddy Piper". My response? None, basically. Hell, I doubt I'll read it. Unless this idea me, Jay, and McGovern had actually hatches, the "IWC" and me will basically become strangers, and thank goodness for it. Zack, Dames, whoever...ban me, PLEASE. Not like it matters to me, but hey, at least I got to bash the ROH 'Tards before I left.

[Guest OSIcon]

There are things I like about Ring Of Honor, but the whole "lack of any emotion whatso-fucking-ever" thing is the number one reason why I don't like ROH.

 

I stopped reading your response after this line because this summed up your stereotype of ROH.

 

All the matches, the wrestlers, and the angles lack any emotion what-so-ever? Do you actually *watch* any ROH or are you just building this assumption on what you hear and/or the first year of shows? There is plenty of emotion and storylines behind many of the matches. Not all of them, but I guarentee that is the same in Wildside and every other promotion in the world. Really, watch some of the product before making a stupid and blanket statement like that. It's really based in pure ignorance.

 

It is nice to see how much conviction you have with your feelings, but really, lighten up. You think Wildside is great. Good for you. Others think ROH is great. Good for them. Why get in a tizzy about this?

 

These Wildside rants come off as so pathetic. The ROH fans didn't like Iceberg. So what? That justifies every announcer Wildside has to go off on a tangent about how bad ROH is? It does come off as pathetic and jealous. They should really just calm down and worry about their own product instead of going off on unprofessional rants.

 

When Gave makes one comment about how some people don't like Mondo, everyone is in an uproar. Yet when Wildside announcers generalize a whole promotion and rips the promotion (and therefore its wrestlers) to shreds, that is okay?

[bob_barron 0]

First of all- If you're going to post a long rant on a PUBLIC message board- why say- don't bother responding?

 

If you don't want me to respond- don't post it.

 

In fact, you don't have to worry about me posting here AT ALL. I'm sick and fucking tired of all you fucking clapmonkeys creaming over a "technical masterpiece" despite the fact that there's no damn reason to give a flying crap because (insert random guy here) won a four-way, and gets to have his head kicked off by Samoa Joe, and then shakes hands out of RESPECT.

 

I enjoy going to a wrestling show and seeing good wrestling. That's why I like ROH

 

There are things I like about Ring Of Honor, but the whole "lack of any emotion whatso-fucking-ever" thing is the number one reason why I don't like ROH.

 

ROH matches DO have emotion.

 

Acid v. Homicide

Punk v. Raven

London v. Danielson

Homicide v. Corino

London v. Shane

 

etc etc etc

 

They try to be way too "high-concept", but you can't be high-concept unless you actually use the original concept as its ground base. I have no respect for an organization that prides itself on disrespecting the tradition and value of what wrestling was meant to be.

 

They aren't disrespecting wrestling. They put on good shows that feature all different kinds of styles of matches. Is that a disrespect?

 

Wrestling was based upon two guys who get so pissed off about something that they just have to kick the living shit out of each other

 

Punk v. Raven anyone? Homicide v. Corino?

 

not some "battle of technique or smarts waltz". If I wanted to watch two guys perform their sport because of "respect for the title" or "athletic competition", I'd watch...you know, an actual, non-worked athletic competition. Hell, I'd probably get more emotional value out of it too.

 

So the ROH title should not be treated with respect and prestige?

 

Just to let you know, from exchanging e-mails, Jason did read the thread, and he finds just about every "point" brought up here to be pretty ridiculous. Ridiculous, in the sense that every single reply echoed and reinforced the very reason that the rant was written in the first place, and the reason they will continue to be. But he's glad debate was sparked either way.

 

If Jason said no response would make him change his mind- why did he bother reading one? Based on that one rant- I don't find Jason to be a very smart man.

 

 

I know this will be followed up with 20 "blah blah blah, (insert member of Special K) DOES show emotion when he does his flippity-do-has...until he realizes someone just dropped him on his head, so he must no-sell

 

Can you wait for people to respond before you start dissing posts? Or are you close minded like Jason?

 

or "ROH respect tradition, because they brought Jim Cornette in for some shows

 

See above.

 

or they're bringing in Roddy Piper

 

They're bringing in Piper for a convention- not for the show.

 

My response? None, basically. Hell, I doubt I'll read it. Unless this idea me, Jay, and McGovern had actually hatches, the "IWC" and me will basically become strangers, and thank goodness for it. Zack, Dames, whoever...ban me, PLEASE. Not like it matters to me, but hey, at least I got to bash the ROH 'Tards before I left.

 

If posts like these are the kind you'll keep churning out if you stay- I can't say I'll miss you

[Guest Duncan Eternia]

All one has to do is look at what Wildside draws compared to ROH.

 

ROH drew huge in Elizabeth, NJ tonight.

 

BTW, thte show pretty much kicked ass too.

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

Guess I'll throw my two cents in here.

 

As far as the article goes,

 

Tom showed it to me, and I honestly wasn't that much of a fan of it myself- just from a pure writing perspective. It was really scattershot and had a bunch of typos in it. This type of argument has been done many times and been done much better, by people like Dan Wilson- a guy I have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for, and who has genuinely been a privilege to converse with.

 

That said, I'm ashamed of some of the responses this thread has gotten- stuff like "when your MOTYC's can't lick the pubes of ours," this Martin guy is a complete piece of shit" reeks of elitism and immaturity.

 

I've made my opinions pretty clear on this subject in the past. My two basic points are:

 

1. I'm still a fan of ROH's product, and their live shows are tremendous, and I enjoy the experience of seeing ROH much more than I do WWE at this point. The production quality is top notch, which as a communications major I love to see. I dig the "PPV-quality" aspect of the tapes.

 

On the other hand...

 

2. I despise the apparent "our product IS THE BEST, THERE'S NO ARGUMENT" mentality it has bred in some of its fans. In a way, ROH is both the best and the worst thing to happen to indy wrestling. The best in that it has gotten fans into alternatives to the big leagues. The worst in that it's apparently poisoned the same fans to anything else. I know people who won't even watch Wildside, IWA, CZW etc. because "ROH IS THE BEST THING OUT THERE! PERIOD." It's that type of close-minded attitude which can make this forum a very unpleasant place to be sometimes, to me at least. It bothers me that people can't have a rational discussion about differing opinions, and differing opinions about ROH degenerate into mindless markish flamewars too easily. I'll admit I'm even guilty of it myself sometimes, and I'm not proud of it.

 

And as far as Thomas goes,

 

I'm really sad that he got so upset about this that he left the board. I count him among my best friends on the 'Net, along with Sandman and Zack- heck, he's practially the nephew I don't have yet, lol. He overreacted, but I can understand why. This "discussion," if you want to call it that, reflects all the stuff that's peeved me about this board. There are times that 'Net "smart mark" discussion takes the fun out of wrestling, and you just want to be a mark again, a regular 'ol fan.

 

My point is, in a roundabout way, is that people can have their opinion, and they shouldn't be gang-flamed for it. If he doesn't like ROH, fine. He has his reasons, there's no reason whatsoever to be petty and infantile about it. Same goes for the reverse (although I know Tom and this was REALLY out of character for him.)

 

Hope that made sense.

 

Edit: As far as the "ROH draws more, so it's better" argument. Attendance does not=quality. IWA is tremendous and is lucky to get 100 people. WWE still draws ratings that are GREAT for cable, on the opposite end of the spectrum. When you look at "drawing" you have to take into account the territory/region, the amount of promotion the product gets, whether or not there's TV- lots of factors to consider. Quality is not in direct proportion to attendance figures.

Edited November 2, 2003 by DuskTillDawn

[bob_barron 0]

I see your point Jay-

 

Someone who won't watch another indy because they only watch ROH is ignorant.

 

If I had the cash I would gladly watch more indies- I really want to see some CZW or IWAMS.

 

 

Based on what I read- I don't think this fellow is too bright.

 

Thomas had NO reason to overreact. He posted an article that he called 'tremendous'- I thought it sucked and dissected the article without dissing NWA Wildside at all and he just flew off the handle for no reason.

 

I wasn't flaming Tom at all- He kept making these claims about ROH that I believe were false and I provided examples to counter his point.

 

Now if none your post was directed at me- disregard

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

What did the guy expect, everyone to applaud the (badly written) column and agree with him?

 

Saying there's no emotion in RoH matchs is just ignorant.

[Michrome 0]

If the statement that RoH's matches have no emotion and/or storylines behind them was true, he still wouldn't have a point. However, there are stories, and there are feuds, and it's clear that neither of the two of you have ever watched Ring Of Honor shows.

 

Raven and Punk is one of the most hate-filled feuds I've EVER seen in wrestling. You could feel the hate watching the damn tapes. The emotional promos by Punk about his dad and Raven killed any storyline Wildside has ever done, and any storyline they will ever do.

 

Samoa Joe's storyline is that he is a badass, unstoppable monster who takes on everyone in his path. Fans root against him, but respect him at the end of the day. What the fuck is wrong with this? I guess every run Vader ever had as champion was meaningless because they all pretty much followed this example. Oh yeah, there was an exception, the WHITE CASTLE OF DOOM. Maybe RoH should film mini-movies with castles and beach volleyball games with Orphans, that would be much better.

 

Paul London's story was very basic as well. He was the quintessential underdog who came out of nowhere to provide an incredible match with Michael Shane at Unscripted 2000 in the blowoff of their feud. What? They had a feud? I thought RoH has no feuds! Silly me. Paul London's incredible progress and incredible ascendancy made his story great, it made me root for him in every match, and it made it that much harsher for me when he left. Yes, there was an emotional attachment between RoH fans and Paul London, because his rise was in many ways symbolic of what Ring Of Honor had become. And that, my friend, is deeper than any storyline in motherfucking Wildside.

 

In many ways however, the bitter loss of Paul London has been replaced by the rising Homicide, who has improved 10-fold this year. Sure, he has selling issues, but his matches have gotten far better, and the fans are truly rallying around him to win the title. A man from the street fighting all the way to the top to eventually win the gold. And yes, he will win it one day, and it won't be "Wow, a black guy won the title, it's a victory for tolerance!" It will be, "This kicks ass, Homicide fought his way all the way up the RoH ladder to claim the biggest prize, he deserves respect for that." And, guess what, it will draw more than any angle Wildside puts together.

 

Currently, Gabe is building an interesting, complex feud between Corino, Punk, and Daniels, the company's three top heels. It's hard to see where it's going, but clearly there is some sort of master plan, because we're starting to see friction within faction, unlikelu alliances, and offers of membership to new people. These feuds are never done in the WWE, because they know Heel vs. Heel will get no reaction from idiot crowds. However, in this case, the crowd will appreciate what it is, and I bet it will be awesome. If you blinked, you still wouldn't have missed this. Then again, you'd have to follow the product to know this is going on, and I guess that's too much to ask.

 

I like Iceberg. He has had some good matches. I was unhappy when he was booed out of the arena, but that is the nature of these fans, they don't want guys like him there. What they should do is put Iceberg and Hernandez out there, and let them have a rock-solid 12 minute match that shuts the smarky fans up. However, it's not an issue, because RoH has a huge talent pool to pull from.

[Guest ToddRoyal]

Exactly. If it was a well written article with well explained points, that would be one thing. The guy made some ridiculous and biased claims however, and came off as someone with a grudge rather than someone with a point.

 

And you're right that the people that say "ROH RULEZ" and refuse to watch any other indies give Ring of Honor a bad name, but I think those a minority (but a vocal one).

 

I don't see how someone can post a rant, however, that has points like "ROH has no emotion" and "If you think a worker that cannot talk is tremendous...you're wrong" and not expect negative and harsh feedback. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and he should have known he'd get the opposing view point.

[Michrome 0]

By the way, I did recently watch a bunch of IWA-MS, and Hero vs. Punk is way up there in terms of MoTYC, as are some of the Shelly-Jacobs matches. Some people like

IWA-MS better, I personally prefer ROH still, but I have a lot more IWA viewing to do. I personally catch a bit of everything, Wildside, RoH, AJPW, NOAH, Z-1, TNA, and Tory. The only thing I avoid outside of PPVs at bars with friends is WWE.

 

Edit: As far as the "ROH draws more, so it's better" argument. Attendance does not=quality. IWA is tremendous and is lucky to get 100 people. WWE still draws ratings that are GREAT for cable, on the opposite end of the spectrum. When you look at "drawing" you have to take into account the territory/region, the amount of promotion the product gets, whether or not there's TV- lots of factors to consider. Quality is not in direct proportion to attendance figures.

 

This is very true across the board. NJPW consistently drew higher numbers than AJPW throughout the nineties, but I think AJPW was much higher quality. IWA-MS is a great promotion but on some nights they draw 50 people, it's all about filling a niche. TNA has a weekly PPV, but their show (lately) blows goats.

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

Responding to BB (hate quoting long posts)- no, none of this was directed at you in particular. Sorry if it seemed that way.

 

Tom is a great, great kid, and for just turning 16, he's a lot smarter and more erudite than most of the people on this board. But like I can be sometimes, he can be temperamental and fly off the handle at small things like this. Once in a while, immaturity rears its ugly head. If he told me in advance he was going to post this, I would have advised him against it, knowing the nature of this place sometimes. And if he insisted on putting up something of this nature, I would have made him post something Dan Wilson, Larry Goodman or Pat McGovern wrote, because their points come across as much more clear and better thought out.

 

That said, it's a mistake everybody makes, and if he never came back, it would be a huge shame, because for being so young, he's got a huge number of connections to indy wrestling that are beneficial to TSM, and his knowledge can be an incredible boon. I owe a lot of what I've learned about indy wrestling to Thomas.

 

I hope once he cools off he'll stick around, at the very least for the OAOAST.

Edited November 2, 2003 by DuskTillDawn

[bob_barron 0]

Yea- I enjoy reading Tom's reviews since I know nothing about NWAW and IWA-MS and it's nice seeing someone out there review it since you never see any on the internet.

 

I'll just chalk this up to having a bad day

[Guest Devin]

I would be able to enjoy ROH tons more if it weren't for their announcers, and the majority of their fans.

 

The announcers ruin the product so much for me, plain and simple. I would rather have the tapes come out with no announcing at all, then have to listen to those guys. I swear, I cringe every time I hear that jackass talk about "heels" and "babyfaces" and "spotfests" and the rest of the smarky comments he makes. It totally pulls you out of the match, which had spent all this time pulling you in. It's like he cares more about putting over his "knowledge" of the business, then he does putting the product itself over.

 

For instance, on at least one occasion I've heard the guy say that the Scramble guys should be making saves, instead of kicking out of such high impact moves at two. Now, that statement may be true, but where the hell does he get off saying that on commentary for the match?!?

 

How many times have you heard him talk about the fans "not clapping for some high spot" right after they finish doing exactly that? And whether or not they should be popping for a high spot is not the point. It's the fact that the words "high spot" even came out of his mouth.

 

Instead of explaining the story being told in the ring, or adding to it in any way, they critique and analyze it. It's like two smarks took over the announce booth or something. How would you like to have movie critics give a running criticism of the movie as you're watching it? You'd hate it, because not only does it distract you from the movie itself, it doesn't leave you the choice of making your own decisions on the movie.

 

And don't even get me started on the whole "we're not sports enterainment... well, except when we are, but we do it better then anyone else!" crap. For starters, that segment was stupid as hell. For how much ecstacy those kids are supposed to be taking, you'd think they'd know that it wouldn't hit Ki that quickly. Not to mention that he wouldn't become immobile, even if it did. Those kids don't even know how to act like e-tards as it is.

 

Or how about the "infamous" riot.... as real as it may have looked live, there was no doubt it was a work when you can hear the commentating. They completely took away from the entire thing, and ruined it. They replayed it again without the commentary and it came off tons better. Why didn't they just have the announcers cut out as soon as the riot started?

 

Anyways, I know I just went on a big ass rant, about something that wasn't even part of the conversation. Not to mention i didn't even get to the fans, but I'm stopping while I've got the chance.

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

I haven't seen the first riot yet, but I was there for the one in Cambridge, and I HATED it- a total waste of 20 minutes that absolutely no one bought. But I'm bitter because if they cut that part out, I would have been able to see the finish of the AJ/Red vs. Xavier/Daniels tag title match, rather than having to leave early before it ended.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

The whole no emotion thing is a load of shit.

 

On my collection of tapes from ROH I could name a SHITLOAD of VERY emotional matches, which I'm not gonna do untill I'm called out on it because I basically can't be bothered right now.

[Guest Dids]

The biggest flaw in the the way the ROH fanbase reacts is the way they treat guys that they didn't wanna see booked. The Jeff Hardy match and how it sounds like they treated Iceberg. (I've seen Hardy's reception, not 'Bergs).

 

It's a really elitist tone, something that says "you don't deserve to wrestle in this promotion" and it makes people look petty. If you want to boo shitty booking, by all means- do it. But that's hate that should be directed at the bookers, not the talent.

 

In ring- you can't fault ROH from what I've seen (once I'm not broke I'm goign on a DVD shopping spree), I think the announce talent is weak- bouncing too much between kayefabe and shooting, but I can deal with it.

 

I've seen very little of Wildside, from what I've read they've got great storyline booking, but the talent isn't at the same level of ROH.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

The biggest flaw in the the way the ROH fanbase reacts is the way they treat guys that they didn't wanna see booked. The Jeff Hardy match and how it sounds like they treated Iceberg. (I've seen Hardy's reception, not 'Bergs).

 

It's a really elitist tone, something that says "you don't deserve to wrestle in this promotion" and it makes people look petty. If you want to boo shitty booking, by all means- do it. But that's hate that should be directed at the bookers, not the talent.

 

In ring- you can't fault ROH from what I've seen (once I'm not broke I'm goign on a DVD shopping spree), I think the announce talent is weak- bouncing too much between kayefabe and shooting, but I can deal with it.

 

I've seen very little of Wildside, from what I've read they've got great storyline booking, but the talent isn't at the same level of ROH.

The thing is the fans made it very clear that they didn't want guys like Iceberg in ROH and he still got booked.

 

The Jeff Hardy thing was expected as well mind you.

[Guest bort]

They didnt react to bad to iceberg at the epic encounter, the hardy thing was just disrespectful. I mean all of those bumps hardy took, i would have like it if they just sat and didnt say a word the whole match but the fans pay so they can do what they want

[Nevermortal 0]

ICEBERG SUCKS.

 

Get the fuck over it.

[Guest Max Peter David]

That entire rant was a load of shit. Everything else I'm currently thinking has already been expressed by Bob.

[Tawren 0]

What the fuck? "Don't boo them because they are taking bumps." The fuck? How much of a pussy are you? They want to do things like wrestle in public, they can deal with the reaction they get.

[Guest AnarchistPatrick]

People have different opinions on things. Not everyone likes to bounce on Gabe's dick and talk about how great ROH is. And of course, insulting ROH around here is BLASPHEMY! because everything Gabe does is genius, right?

 

Do I think Tom was a bit harsh? A little. Do I agree with most everything he said? Yeah. Do I think 90% of the posters here are close-minded dipshits that only like what conforms to their strict standards of what is good? Definitely.

 

I get a fucking headache reading Bob's ROH lovefests at 411, for one. Nice to see you love the company you are COMPED TO WRITE ABOUT. Those of us that pay for the tapes feel a bit different about some of the stupid shit that is foisted about there.

 

But hey, if it's on the internet, it MUST be true, right?

 

I apologize if this didn't make sense, but I am posting this as a favour and will most likely never post here again. Good day.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

The only problem with Ring of Honor is that they continue to push Xavier. That's the only problem I have ever had with the promotion...which is also the only time I've only had ONE complaint about a promotion.

 

Hell...I can find more than one thing a day to complain about WWE, TNA, IWA, MLW and anything else I catch.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Hey, Phoenix Fury, you fucktard...wrestling didn't become about angles and such until that reporter made the drunken blunder of posting the following night's results in the newspaper, and everybody finally knew it was rigged. So that was about 30-40 years of basing professional wrestling purely on simulate athletic competition.

 

And why have a promotion that does what every other fucking promotion does, and base their matches on angles about who fucked whose mother, when they can both make the championship mean something by having every wrestler want it, AND put on superb matches of all styles each event?

 

I've never seen a Wildside show, even a Wildside match. But I've seen RoH shows and matches. And with the way some of those Wildside marks act about it, I don't think I want to.

[Michrome 0]

Insulting ROH isn't blasphemy, just try to be logical about it. Okay?

 

Saying a product has no emotion when it clearly has plenty of emotion shows you've never watched the product, or you're looking to dislike it when you do. It would make as much sense for me to go up to the WWE folder and bash them for having too much pure wrestling and not enough story-driven matches.