Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 -=Mike ..."Much public support"? You mean they've DOUBLED their audience to FOUR people?!?!?! WOW!!! I heard their listener line was jammed. Someone wanted to make an outgoing call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 By the way, here's something a little more balanced: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../21/DD35002.DTL They played the in-house anthem last Thursday at the unlicensed "pirate" radio station Freak Radio Santa Cruz. In a show of solidarity with fellow microradio station San Francisco Liberation Radio, which had its broadcasting equipment confiscated in a raid by the Federal Communications Commission on Wednesday, Freak Radio played "Screw the FCC." "When it's owned by corporations and theirs is the only word/ We will seize the airwaves, speak freely and be heard," warbled the songwriter, one Phil Free, in a style closely resembling the campus-activist folk of the late Phil Ochs. The next song, naturally enough, was by Rage Against the Machine. Across the country, low-power FM radio stations are banding together to denounce a mounting crackdown by the FCC. Supporters claim that FCC Chairman Michael Powell, whose recent efforts to further deregulate the radio industry have met with resistance in the courts and in Congress and have been something of a PR disaster, is retaliating by "having his people go out and pick on the little guys." "It's community radio, and what this is saying is that the community does not deserve to have a voice," said Michael Rosenberg-Beausoleil, a disc jockey on San Francisco Liberation Radio (SFLR, 93.7 FM) who goes by the on-air alter ego John Hell. A high school social studies teacher and a committed activist, a man who worked in corporate radio for years and didn't like what he saw, Rosenberg is a prime example of the kind of person who becomes involved in the murky world of unlicensed, low-power FM radio. The Bay Area is an acknowledged leader in the free-radio wars, having set a hefty precedent in the mid-1990s with Stephen Dunifer's Free Radio Berkeley. That station exemplified what a small broadcaster with an alternative viewpoint could provide for its neighborhood, before it was shut down by court injunction in 1998. "If micropower broadcasting could achieve some sort of critical mass or tipping point with the people in this country, there's not much the FCC would be able to do about it," said Dunifer on Friday -- coincidentally the third annual Media Democracy Day, in which organizers called for a mass show of civil disobedience from microradio operators. "Right now, they can go after the stations one at a time." Having organized a global network called Transmitters Uniting the Peoples of the Americas (TUPA), Dunifer now conducts microradio training sessions in a West Oakland workshop and on the road. TUPA will present a benefit screening of "Something in the Air," a feature-length dramatization of the plight of Radio Favela, an underground Brazilian radio station serving a slum community in the 1980s, on Nov. 2 at La Pena Cultural Center in Berkeley. "Our whole vision is to have hundreds of small stations dotting the landscape," Dunifer said. "There are pockets of people in every city basically cut off from the other media, which doesn't speak their language." The technology needed to mount a broadcast is minimal, he said: "You can have a 10-watt transmitter kit and an antenna made out of $10-$15 worth of copper pipe and fittings and have a radio station. It's similar to programming a VCR." Wednesday's much more substantial equipment seizure at an unassuming residence in the Castro district, where 10-year-old SFLR has been situated for the past year, came three months after a warning delivered by FCC agents. This time, they brought a search warrant and more than a dozen armed U.S. marshals. SFLR attorney Peter Franck, one of the country's leading experts in microradio law, said he was dismayed that he was not notified in advance of the agency's plans, as he had requested by letter to the FCC. "What's truly outrageous is that they went to a judge and got an order of arrest of equipment without notifying us, giving us an opportunity to be heard, " he said. "Once you've been issued a letter of warning," explained Dunifer, "it's a reasonable assumption that if you continue activities which you feel are legitimate free-speech activities, you do have protection from the court." According to Franck, the FCC has not been forthright in its dealings with the microradio movement, offering a strictly limited number of licenses a few years ago and then processing the applications "molasses slow." "We were denied our application for a license, again without them notifying us. I found out when I checked the Web page of the FCC." SFLR was denied a license on two grounds. The first was what the microradio movement calls the "bad broadcaster" rule, in which pre-existing stations that have received warnings from the FCC in the past are not eligible for licensing. "That's so patently unconstitutional it's laughable," said Dunifer. SFLR was also denied on the basis of the FCC's requirements for frequency separation between stations. Charlotte Hatch, who along with her husband, Jim Hatch, provides space for SFLR in her Castro residence, compared the issue to a person sitting on a barstool. As she phrased it, microradio supporters believe there is enough room on the dial for someone to sit on either side, but the FCC has ruled that four seats in each direction must be vacated. As part of the misleadingly titled Broadcast Preservation Act of 1999, which actually restricted the number of FCC licenses available to low-power FM stations, Congress ordered the agency to conduct an investigation into frequency separation. Resulting studies, conducted by the Mitre Corp., showed that the FCC's guidelines are unnecessarily conservative. "There is a proposal in Congress now to allow more stations," said Franck. In the meantime, the low-power FM movement is feeling the heat. Having peaked at about 1,000 stations nationwide in 1998, the movement has an estimated 300 now. Many of them are the so-called "party" stations, such as the renegade, punk-rock-oriented Pirate Cat Radio 87.9, which broadcasts from a secret location on the Peninsula. Such stations have ancestral roots in United Kingdom outlets such as the storied Radio Caroline, an offshore operation that began broadcasting in 1964 as a pop-music alternative to the staid BBC. "Ever see the Christian Slater movie 'Pump Up the Volume'?" asked Franck, the attorney, referring to the 1990 feature film in which the actor plays a disaffected high schooler who broadcasts as a pirate DJ and incurs the wrath of the local authorities. "There are always kids doing that." (Many of the party stations welcome the term "pirate radio" as a badge of rebellion, while the more issues- and community-oriented broadcasters are often deeply opposed to its outlaw implications.) The unlicensed "party" stations appear to the activists to be in less jeopardy than those that have political notions, such as SFLR and Berkeley Liberation Radio, the successor to Dunifer's Free Radio Berkeley. "The FCC would say (the crackdown) has nothing to do with what we say, that it's just illegal to have an unlicensed station," said Hatch, 57, a self- described lifelong counterculture activist who says she became involved with SFLR after events such as the 2000 election dispute and the Iraqi war left her feeling disenfranchised. "If you ask me, I'd say if we were an unlicensed Christian station, it's possible we'd still be on the air." FCC spokesman David Fiske did not return a phone call seeking comment last week. But Cheryl Koel, the supervisory deputy U.S. marshal who was the lead agent in Wednesday's seizure at SFLR, rebutted the idea that the FCC's actions are politically motivated. "We don't have an agenda to go after stations that particularly downplay the government," she said. "There's no hidden agenda there. These people are warned. "Some people just don't like to recognize the government." That's precisely the point, say the activists. They argue that the deregulation of radio has left the airwaves in the hands of a few corporate giants that have little interest in catering to diverse neighborhoods or providing a forum for dissenting voices. Microradio operators see their cause as a crucial component of free speech. "We were willing to risk this," said Charlotte Hatch, whose daughter, Karoline, is an SFLR disc jockey, "because if the people don't keep their toe in the door" -- the airwaves -- "the door is going to be shut. And it's not gonna be opened by a corporation." Dunifer and his colleagues accuse the FCC of alarmist tactics. "They have all kinds of straw-person arguments," said Dunifer, "like the claim that airplanes will fall from the sky" because of interference with air-traffic control frequencies. "It's an amazing campaign of disinformation and outright lies." Though last week's confiscation at SFLR was carried out without resistance, FCC raids have at times taken on an element of farce. One seizure at a party station in Florida featured "a multijurisdictional task force, a SWAT team, the whole nine yards," contends Dunifer. "They almost shot a cat when it jumped off a table." Richard Edmondson, a co-founder of SFLR, was once broadcasting from a camper on Twin Peaks when he was spotted by an FCC agent. He drove off, but the agent called the San Francisco Police Department. According to Dunifer, Edmondson was soon surrounded by "at least 10 patrol cars, with 15 to 20 cops with their guns drawn, telling him to kiss the asphalt." When the officers learned of the nature of the offense, "they were looking at each other like, 'FCC'? "It points out the absurdity of all this," he said. "But on another level, it's pretty chilling." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 http://www.liberationradio.net/articles/st...ements/raid.php This was beautiful...... San Francisco Liberation Radio Raided!FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 16, 2003 SAN FRANCSICO -- Approximately 10 federal agents, 10 San Francisco police, and 5 FCC agents raided San Francisco Liberation Radio (SFLR) studios yesterday. The raid began at 11 a.m., and lasted for approximately 2 hours. They arrived equipped with battering ram and firearms, although neither was necessary. The FCC confiscated all equipment in the station at the time, including a 16 channel Mackie sound board, microphones, a computer, CD, record, and tape players, and so much more. SFLR and its supporters view this attack within the context of media consolidation. Currently 10 parent companies control the radio spectrum. Viacom and Clear Channel alone control 42 percent of listeners and 45 percent of industry revenue. Since the passage of the 1996 Telecommunications Act Clear Channel grew from 40 stations nationwide to 1,240. In 28 of the 30 major music formats, 4 companies control over 50 percent of listeners, and the same holds true for two thirds of the nations news radio listeners. A debate about media ownership, competition, localism, and diversity is currently raging in the halls of Congress, in the nations court systems, and on the streets. SFLR has contributed its view of grass roots media activism to this debate, and for this it has been targeted. SFLR has been a vocal critic of the Bush administration policies regarding the war on terror in Iraq and elsewhere, as well as the California state and local policies including San Francisco's targeting of homeless people. The Bush administration has made every effort to silence criticism of the government. Dick Cheney, in a rare speech just several days ago warned against public dissent. Donald Rumsfeld has clearly insinuated that criticism of Bush administration policies is killing the American troops in Iraq. And yet the killing of innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and Oakland continues on a daily basis. The next major anti-war demonstration is taking place on October 25th, and includes a major convergence in San Francisco. SFLR sees this unprecedented attack on the station within the context of these national and international events. SFLR is a micro-radio station that has broadcast at 93.7 FM in the San Francisco bay area for the past 10 years. It was started in part to be an outlet and resource for communities that are underserved by the media mainstream. SFLR has garnered much public support for the work that it has done, including the August 19, 2003 passage of a resolution by the San Francisco Board of Supervisors supporting the station, media diversity in general, and directing the SF police leave the station alone. No offense --- but there is a SMALL chance that the source of this story might not be totally impartial. -=Mike ..."Much public support"? You mean they've DOUBLED their audience to FOUR people?!?!?! WOW!!! MikeSC, ye the article is biased/partial. I pasted it more because of the figures it gives on Clear Channel's control of radio media, moreso then the......"OMG they brought battering rams" aspect of the article. I should have stated that when I pasted the article, but I was kinda of pasting as I was running out the door...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wildbomb 4:20 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 I find it intriguing that I'm apparently "insane." Anywho, back to the issue with Clear Channel Entertainment, along with everyone's other favorite media conglomerates. Clear Channel, as bad as it is, does not cause all the problems with the radio today; independent radio stations are just as guilty for using specific songs over and over and over again. Why? Because that is what the "market" demands. Radio is a business, with the only money that really comes in being made off of advertisers and promotional events. Thusly, the format of the station will be altered in a way that the advertisers feel is appropriate. This information comes from my personal experience working for McKay group broadcasting on Cape Cod, MA at Pixy 103 (102.9 FM). This catering to advertisers follows to television. In 1996, Connie Chung, working for CBS, ran a child-labor story about children in Pakistan hand-stitching soccer balls for Adidas and Nike. The companies, CBS' two primary sponsors at the time, pressured CBS to the point of firing Chung. The news is altered so that corporate interests are kept in mind. Ever wonder why Nike isn't ever really targeted for child labor, despite the fact that everyone knows that they use child-labor paid a dollar a week? And Bush wonders why this is a jobless economic return. Jobs are being exported overseas. It is truly an endless cycle: Republican-led legislation allows media consolidation to the point where three large companies could control the entire media. Republican-led legislation gives a tax cut to the rich. Jobs get exported overseas because the labor is cheap. And the media refuses to criticize its advertisers. Oye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 I find it intriguing that I'm apparently "insane." Anywho, back to the issue with Clear Channel Entertainment, along with everyone's other favorite media conglomerates. Clear Channel, as bad as it is, does not cause all the problems with the radio today; independent radio stations are just as guilty for using specific songs over and over and over again. Why? Because that is what the "market" demands. Radio is a business, with the only money that really comes in being made off of advertisers and promotional events. Thusly, the format of the station will be altered in a way that the advertisers feel is appropriate. This information comes from my personal experience working for McKay group broadcasting on Cape Cod, MA at Pixy 103 (102.9 FM). This catering to advertisers follows to television. In 1996, Connie Chung, working for CBS, ran a child-labor story about children in Pakistan hand-stitching soccer balls for Adidas and Nike. The companies, CBS' two primary sponsors at the time, pressured CBS to the point of firing Chung. The news is altered so that corporate interests are kept in mind. Ever wonder why Nike isn't ever really targeted for child labor, despite the fact that everyone knows that they use child-labor paid a dollar a week? And Bush wonders why this is a jobless economic return. Jobs are being exported overseas. It is truly an endless cycle: Republican-led legislation allows media consolidation to the point where three large companies could control the entire media. Republican-led legislation gives a tax cut to the rich. Jobs get exported overseas because the labor is cheap. And the media refuses to criticize its advertisers. Oye. Agreed, however I'd say Democrats are just as guilty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wildbomb 4:20 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 I find it hard to see Democrats of being innocent; however, I feel like that anything is better than seeing Bush sit in office for another term. Clinton signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 as a compromise between the two parties: economic reform for the Democrats, media reform for the Republicans. Anyways, it's a moot point now. I'd like to see Dean in the White House out of the Democratic camp, because I think he understands the issues at hand the best out of everyone. I also like his use of small donations from people and not corporations in order to fund his campaign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Funny. The guys I know like you two usually prefer Kucinich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wildbomb 4:20 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Kucinich just doesn't appeal to me; he seems just a lot like Gore. At Rock the Vote (which I had a press pass to. Gotta love Emerson.) he seemed too much like a standard politician. Dean and Kerry, though, were both approachable, and had a lot to say about the issues when I talked with them. Kucinich seemed very nervous. My power rankings for the Dems: 1. Dean (the leader) 2. Kerry (sure, he's not a frontrunner, but I like him) 3. Kucinich (the random vote-getter) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Funny. The guys I know like you two usually prefer Kucinich. "like us" explain? I prefer Nader, personally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 And Bush wonders why this is a jobless economic return. Jobs are being exported overseas. It is truly an endless cycle "U.S. payrolls grew in October for the third straight month, the government said Friday, trouncing Wall Street expectations as the labor market accelerated its recovery from its longest slump since World War II." - CNN story You have beautiful timing. I can't wait until November 2004. The Democrats will be spinning so much, in so many different directions, they'll look like a bunch of enraged, spluttering gyroscopes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wildbomb 4:20 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 To quote from the same article you posted: But Bush's opponents noted that monthly job growth hasn't yet come close to the rate the White House promised when pushing for tax cuts earlier this year, and it hasn't yet come close to the slower rate of 200,000 per month Treasury Secretary John Snow promised recently. "Until we can reach and sustain job growth of at least 150,000 every month, there will be growing slack in the job market. And until that happens, we are unlikely to see the kind of healthy wage and income growth that can sustain a strong recovery," said Lee Price, research director at the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal think tank. Should payrolls be even stronger? If there was anything disappointing about Friday's report, in fact, it's that job growth hasn't been more robust, given the strength of the economy and the tidal wave of fiscal and monetary stimulus from the government and the Fed. Sounds like it's not working so well yet, no? Temporary help services payrolls rose by about 17,000 jobs. Many economists believe this is a hopeful sign, since companies will often hire temps before making permanent hires. Other economists note, however, that temp payrolls have risen several months in a row and suggest some businesses may be using temp workers to avoid paying benefits. This is a problem. The current economy is driven not by manufacturing, but by technology and services. Most of these jobs are at Wal-Marts, where people are paid $7-$8 an hour. Can a family live off of that? I think not. I can't wait until November 2004. The Democrats will be spinning so much, in so many different directions, they'll look like a bunch of enraged, spluttering gyroscopes. Please. Everybody spins. A WHOPPING .1% downturn? It's not much to get excited about. The fact remains that local jobs are being eaten by large corporations that ship employment overseas. The Nike's, Adidas, Old Navy's of the world. Where did those jobs go? They didn't just disappear: they got moved. The greatest example of what happens to a city when the manufacturing jobs move: Allentown, PA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Heh. <notes post number for future reference> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Please. Everybody spins. A WHOPPING .1% downturn? It's not much to get excited about. The fact remains that local jobs are being eaten by large corporations that ship employment overseas. The Nike's, Adidas, Old Navy's of the world. Where did those jobs go? They didn't just disappear: they got moved. The greatest example of what happens to a city when the manufacturing jobs move: Allentown, PA. Personally, I just want to know what the Dems want to do to keep these jobs over here. More regulation? Better Worker benefits? Seriously, what do the Dems have that is better than the pro-economy stance that Bush has already taken? Each way you put it, Wildbomb, the US seems doomed to collapse on itself because everything and everyone is getting the hell out of dodge as quickly as possible. What should we do? This is a problem. The current economy is driven not by manufacturing, but by technology and services. Most of these jobs are at Wal-Marts, where people are paid $7-$8 an hour. Can a family live off of that? I think not. First off, all these jobs are at Walmart? Computer firms don't hire anymore? This is totally spin here. Didn't that article say that the average job out there is paying $15.46? If all those jobs were that much, wouldn't that mean that this figure would have gone down a bit rather than postign a small increase? I hate it when people just pull figures out their asses like that. What type of family? A single mom with 2 kids? Yeah, I'll agree. But what about if it's only the mom or dad working there to supplement their spouse's higher income? Isn't that possible as well? What if they are single? On the part you posted from the article, a lot of that is also spin and speculation as well. Remember, growth is growth and even if its slowly improving it still is. I have to leave like RIGHT NOW, but I'll be back to give a bit more complete analysis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Seriously, what do the Dems have that is better than the pro-economy stance that Bush has already taken? LOL, that's gold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wildbomb 4:20 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 The United States economy needs to be focusing on creating jobs at voalitile career fields, rather than having corporations looking at upsizing all fiscal profit in order to line their pockets some more. Enron anyone? The manufacturing plants in the Northeast seem to be disappearing by the day. I know that at least in Massachusetts, manufacturers are looking to Mexico or overseas in order to produce their goods. Hell, Dunkin Donuts isn't even owned by Dunkin Donuts anymore; they sold out to a London-based company. I feel like corporate America is more worried about making sure to take two-week vacations in Aruba, stay at the Ritz, and pick up the new Jaguar. Meanwhile, on Cape Cod, my home, homeless shelters are being closed down because these same corporate heads don't want the homeless in their pristine town. Manufacturers have left. Jobs are decreasing by the day, and people are getting low-balled for wages. Two years ago I started a job at $8.50 an hour. Now people that start make $6.25. The radio station I work for cut staff when it was merged with another company. People were forced to pick up and start all over again. Most of the jobs available right now are not full-time positions. Many of the people that are currently unemployed don't have college degrees. Why? Because they weren't needed when they started at their position. Now, it appears like the only job you can get if you don't have a college degree is at a Wal-Mart. Heck, even college graduates aren't getting jobs in their respective fields. Why? Because people aren't hiring. The economy will need to continue to grow in order for more jobs to be created. Two million more people are unemployed than before March 2001, which is when this recession started. I feel like right now the current status of the American economy is hurting the public it is supposed to support. My main criticism with Bush has always been with the economy, and the lack of time and effort he appeared to set forth to it. I supported him for three months of my life: September-November 2001. And I think we all understand why. But after that point, he refused to address the economy. The tax cut he introduced benefits the richest people in America, of which he and Dick Cheney are members of. Media consolidation has grown under his nose. Jobs are still not being at a quick enough rate to be of benefit. I just am extremely disenfranchised with our current President, and feel like a change needs to be made. I feel that the tax cuts need to be restructured so that the working class of America can benefit. Social Security is running out of money and that is an issue that needs to be addressed. Privitization of Social Security is not the answer. College loan and grant money has been cut by Mr. Bush. So has education in general. Bush has also cut public aid spending, leaving that to "religious-based charities" that he no longer supports as much as he used to. I think I take this to such a level is because I am directy affected by both circumstances: I am a broadcast journalist, and feel the wrath of media consolidation, while also being forced to pay more taxes out of my pathetically piss-poor paycheck. I'm $60,000 in the hole because both my school and my government refused to help me out. Where does it end? I think that a change at the top is necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 I'm $60,000 in the hole because both my school and my government refused to help me out. Where does it end? I think that a change at the top is necessary. Move to Cuba -- they have free health care. And the government will set ya up nice -- as long as you broadcast fluff pieces on the Top Dog there. Oh, and I'm a print man myself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MD2020 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 The United States economy needs to be focusing on . I'm $60,000 in the hole because both my school and my government refused to help me out. Where does it end? I think that a change at the top is necessary. I'm sorry--I missed the part in the Constitution where you get guaranteed college education. It's probably one of the later amendments. Seriously--it sucks that you're in debt from school, but so are a lot of people on this board, including me. Suck it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 I love hearing from people that cry about their college debt -- Jesse Ventura said it best "If you're smart enough to get in school, you're smart enough to pay for it..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wildbomb 4:20 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Guarenteed college ed? It's done in many European countries: Germany, Ireland, France, etc. Fiscally possible in the U.S.? Not likely. Anyways, I feel like if jobs want people to go to college to get an education in the field, and then aren't hiring people, what is the good? kkk-Where'd you go to school? Emerson is damndably good, but equally expensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 hilarious that from the last commentary wildbomb posted, the first two replies to it, refer to the very end of it, ignoring the meat of the information and he is excused of "whining about paying for college" was that really the jist of the article? Come on now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Come on, Mike, you should know by now I don't give a crap about what anybody says here. I could reply to his posts, but they're too freaking long and I have better things to do... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Come on, Mike, you should know by now I don't give a crap about what anybody says here. I could reply to his posts, but they're too freaking long and I have better things to do... Alrighty then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 I can't wait until November 2004. The Democrats will be spinning so much, in so many different directions, they'll look like a bunch of enraged, spluttering gyroscopes. You were the one who was telling me that eventually all the jobs of making stuff will go everywhere and the entire country will be employed in "service jobs." Which of course makes no sense, because that means a big piece of a community can go downhill when there's nothing that needs servicing, unless we all work at McDonald's or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 Seriously, what do the Dems have that is better than the pro-economy stance that Bush has already taken? How about this? "Hey, remember the first couple of months in 2003, when everyone was concerned about the economy but George W Bush was going into overdrive in Iraq? Wouldn't it have been nice if he paid attention and took care of it THEN instead of waiting until NOW?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 ...unless we all work at McDonald's or something. "Welcome to McAmerica, can we take your order?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 You were the one who was telling me that eventually all the jobs of making stuff will go everywhere and the entire country will be employed in "service jobs." Which of course makes no sense Nice straw man. Did it take you long to build? Of course I never said anything of the sort. I said that the trend towards service jobs was irreversible because of the rapid technologising of our industries and the steady rise in productivity. This is a simple and uncontested fact. No study, survey, or statistic from any source has ever indicated anything to the contrary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lando Griffin 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 "Welcome to McAmerica, can we take your order?" HAHAHAHA! Hilarious. You should be doing standup. Have George Carlin open up for you, because you're clearly way above his level. Seriously, keep it up. Just wait until my sides stop hurting from all this laughing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 "Welcome to McAmerica, can we take your order?" HAHAHAHA! Hilarious. You should be doing standup. Have George Carlin open up for you, because you're clearly way above his level. Seriously, keep it up. Just wait until my sides stop hurting from all this laughing. Carlin? That talentless hack? I demand Carrottop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2003 "Welcome to McAmerica, can we take your order?" Yes, I would like a #1 Outsource Value Meal super-sized and an order of Chinese Illegals without the pickles. To go. And I WILL be checking my order before I go because last time instead of Chinese you gave Mexicans. Instead of CLEANING my hotel beds, they were SLEEPING on them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites