Bored 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 How is it a blackeye for MLB? The Red Sox tried to skirt around the rules to get this deal done so they have no one to blame but themselves. Shame on them for trying to replace their best player and address a problem they don't have, which is shortstop and hitting. The Red Sox got greedy and blinded by their overwhelming need to overtake the Yankees. Also shame on A-Rod for openly campaigning to steal Nomar's job. No one put a gun to your head to play for that shitty organization in Texas and I hope you stay the rest of your career and hopefully the fans completely turn on you this year. You ain't the MVP, your the Most Valuable Whiner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 ESPNnews reports that the A's have indeed signed Arthur Rhodes to a three year contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 How is it a blackeye for MLB? The Red Sox tried to skirt around the rules to get this deal done so they have no one to blame but themselves. Shame on them for trying to replace their best player and address a problem they don't have, which is shortstop and hitting. The Red Sox got greedy and blinded by their overwhelming need to overtake the Yankees. Also shame on A-Rod for openly campaigning to steal Nomar's job. No one put a gun to your head to play for that shitty organization in Texas and I hope you stay the rest of your career and hopefully the fans completely turn on you this year. You ain't the MVP, your the Most Valuable Whiner. Because it's a trade that benefits both teams, that both team's fanbases would like to happen that is getting held up over... ... money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 How is it a blackeye for MLB? The Red Sox tried to skirt around the rules to get this deal done so they have no one to blame but themselves. Shame on them for trying to replace their best player and address a problem they don't have, which is shortstop and hitting. The Red Sox got greedy and blinded by their overwhelming need to overtake the Yankees. Also shame on A-Rod for openly campaigning to steal Nomar's job. No one put a gun to your head to play for that shitty organization in Texas and I hope you stay the rest of your career and hopefully the fans completely turn on you this year. You ain't the MVP, your the Most Valuable Whiner. Because it's a trade that benefits both teams, that both team's fanbases would like to happen that is getting held up over... ... money. Can anyone explain to me how this trade benefits the Rangers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 It gets rid of a huge chunk of salary that they won't need to pay the whole thing for. Which means they can focus on getting more players, and fill up the holes they have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Frees up money so as to get pitching in the next few years. It's mostly about money to them now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Hey good for them but how does it benefit baseball? Ooo wow the Red Sox get A-Rod and continue compare dick size with the Yankees and trying to make baseball a two team sport. Yup that really is good for baseball. I think it is still debatable how much the trades would have helped the Red Sox. Like I said they got greedy, they had other things they could have traded for like a 2nd baseman or hell how about another starting pitcher just in case Pedro and/or Schilling breakdown. Oh and its about money because of the Red Sox trying to buy a championship (hey that sounds like another team) and because poor lil' A-Rod. Awww you signed $252 million but you want to be a winner. Awww that's too bad, I'm so sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 So what a second. He took money instead of playing for a winner, so he's damned there. But now he does the opposite, and he's damned as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 It benefits baseball by giving one of the league's favorite stories (the "curse" on the Red Sox) a chance to die. It gives the Red Sox a hell of a chance to make, and win, the World Series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 I'm still twiddling my thumbs waiting for a blockbuster Cubs acquisition. Yeah Lee and Hawkins are good but the Tribune can do better. Damn them and their turning a profit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 So what a second. He took money instead of playing for a winner, so he's damned there. But now he does the opposite, and he's damned as well? I know your a big A-Rod fan but you can't defend him on this. He is openly campaigning to steal a man's job and forcing his way there. Its not like he's a free agent and no one forced him to sign with the Rangers. Ya I believe for two seconds he signed with the Rangers to win...sure he did. Maybe he didn't think they'd be this bad but winning was secondary to the money. Hey most people wouldn't reject an offer like that but now he has to reap consequences of his decision instead of trying to turn himself into some sort of victim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 It benefits baseball by giving one of the league's favorite stories (the "curse" on the Red Sox) a chance to die. It gives the Red Sox a hell of a chance to make, and win, the World Series. Aww but there lies the big question...is MLB better off with the Red Sox winning a championship? That's a tough one, but... Do as many people tune into the playoffs last year if the Red Sox didn't have this mythical "Curse" story? Do as many people give a shit about the Red Sox getting Curt Schilling, Keith Foulke, and trying to trade for Alex Rodriguez? Do the Red Sox even go to these lengths if they had a few championships in the last 80+ years? I'd say a resounding "no" to everyone of those. Oh and I think you'd get many people to argue the Red Sox had a great chance of going to the World Series and winning without every trying for A-Rod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 maybe so, but it still makes their odds even better. And MLB still has the Cubs to fall back on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 I wanted the deal to get done so I could watch Pedro, Schilling, Arod, Magglio, Foulke et al...lose to the curse again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Shame on them for trying to replace their best player and address a problem they don't have, which is shortstop and hitting. They can't resign Nomar. Manny makes $20mill a year and Nomar's agents is demanding $16-17mill a year for Nomar after Tejada got overpaid (he should have only made $10-11mill most in the market correction). Thus they do have a problem with SS. Fear not though, the trade talks aren't dead...from what I heard Tom Werner and John Henry are still talking with Tom Hicks, Larry Luchino however has left the discussions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 So what a second. He took money instead of playing for a winner, so he's damned there. But now he does the opposite, and he's damned as well? I know your a big A-Rod fan but you can't defend him on this. He is openly campaigning to steal a man's job and forcing his way there. Its not like he's a free agent and no one forced him to sign with the Rangers. Ya I believe for two seconds he signed with the Rangers to win...sure he did. Maybe he didn't think they'd be this bad but winning was secondary to the money. Hey most people wouldn't reject an offer like that but now he has to reap consequences of his decision instead of trying to turn himself into some sort of victim. Please. Its not like Nomar's gonna walk to the umemployment office if the deal goes through. He'll go to another good team and have a starting job. After this year, he's a free agent and he can go wherever the hell he pleases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Watching SportsCenter, and all I have to say is Jesus Klapsitch, give up the damned wig. No one buys it. Dodgers re-sign Wilson Alvarez for a year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Word is Pokey Reese accepted a one year $1mill deal to be the Red Sox second baseman. Obviously the Red Sox were focusing on a very cheap defensive upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Stealing a man's job? Ok so if I turned down a job offer, i'm sure my employer would let me go and find someone else as or more qualified than I am to take the job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 If the Sox manage to deal Nomar/Manny/Williamson for A-Rod and Ordonez, that would free up a little money room. Mags makes a lot less then Manny(I'm assuming here so feel free to supply with info). Williamson frees up some money as well if he goes with Nomar to the ChiSox. Also don't forget the Sox are also paying a lot for guys like Schilling, Pedro already and soon Lowe will probably be asking for quite a bit. They also have to get money to re-sign players like Trot, Ortiz and Varitek who will be asking for a fair bit of cash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Mags makes $14 million, and is a free agent after this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Kevin Millwood accepted arbitration and remains with the Phillies. I gotta say I'm very excited about the upcoming season. The Giants signed pitcher Adam Pettyjohn. After all he's been through, it would be nice to see him manage a comback. Pettyjohn's Story: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/200...jazayerli.shtml Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 The simple fact is you will NOT be able to resign Alex EITHER when his contract comes up. Nomar has one bad season and all of a sudden the Red Sox faithful want him out. Nomar is easily one of the best shortstops in baseball, top two or three STILL, and he has proven he can help the Red Sox win. Call me when Alex proves he can do anything but take up money. A-Rod is a great player but he has yet to make any team better cause he eats up salary worse than any player in baseball other than Easley for the Tigers. The Rangers are trying to give the Red Sox an anchor and the Sox are asking how much it would cost to make the anchor heavier. The Red Sox better pray they can trade for Alex cause they have basically told Manny and Nomar to go to hell. For the life of me, I cannot grasp what the hell the Red Sox are doing. I would rather pay to sign a player like Nomar who I KNOW isn't going to demand a trade by year 2 like A-Rod will. The Red Sox are making a new curse, "The Curse of A-Rod". Cause I can bet whoever ends up with Nomar unless it is the Tigers will win a World Series before the Red Sox. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted December 19, 2003 The simple fact is you will NOT be able to resign Alex EITHER when his contract comes up. Nomar has one bad season and all of a sudden the Red Sox faithful want him out. Nomar is easily one of the best shortstops in baseball, top two or three STILL, and he has proven he can help the Red Sox win. Call me when Alex proves he can do anything but take up money. A-Rod is a great player but he has yet to make any team better cause he eats up salary worse than any player in baseball other than Easley for the Tigers. The Rangers are trying to give the Red Sox an anchor and the Sox are asking how much it would cost to make the anchor heavier. The Red Sox better pray they can trade for Alex cause they have basically told Manny and Nomar to go to hell. For the life of me, I cannot grasp what the hell the Red Sox are doing. I would rather pay to sign a player like Nomar who I KNOW isn't going to demand a trade by year 2 like A-Rod will. The Red Sox are making a new curse, "The Curse of A-Rod". Cause I can bet whoever ends up with Nomar unless it is the Tigers will win a World Series before the Red Sox. You obviously have no knowledge of contract lengths or baseball at all First off A-Rod's contract isn't going to end until 2010 unless he opts out, which is highly unlikely. Second off when he is traded here he's going to restructure his contract a tad...Gene "The Grinch" Orza will allow $13-15mill to be moved around. When A-Rod gets here he'll be staying here. Manny stated he wanted to play for the Yankees, which is not only another team but the hated rival of the team he is playing for...he should be told to go to hell. Nomar's agent is asking for $17mill a year and with the market correction he's not worth it. Now you'll say "So A-Rod is worth $25mill?!" but basically where taking on A-Rod to get rid of Manny whom also has a bad contract. Tom Hicks is slowly caving in as he has already dropped $10mill off his demands...only a matter of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Nomar is easily one of the best shortstops in baseball, top two or three STILL, and he has proven he can help the Red Sox win. Call me when Alex proves he can do anything but take up money. A-Rod is a great player but he has yet to make any team better cause he eats up salary worse than any player in baseball other than Easley for the Tigers. I've got news for you. A-Rod has made his team better every year he's been in the majors. His Mariners made the playoffs three times. As for the salary. The Rangers had a $90 million payroll their first three years with A-Rod. Subtract A-Rod's contract and you're paying the rest of the team around $68 million, which is more than the last two World Series winners spent. A-Rod is not a drag on the Rangers. He's been the best player in the league every year he's been on the team. What kills teams is guys who contribute nothing, not players like A-Rod. I would rather pay to sign a player like Nomar who I KNOW isn't going to demand a trade by year 2 like A-Rod will. I missed the part where A-Rod ever DEMANDED a trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Al I sometimes wonder if your trying to get a job as A-Rod's publicist. He might have not gone into Tom Hick's office and said "TRADE ME!" but the fact that he and Scott Boras openly campaigned for the trade seems to indicate to me that he wants to be traded. But oh well he gets to rot in Texas like he chose too in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 The simple fact is you will NOT be able to resign Alex EITHER when his contract comes up. Nomar has one bad season and all of a sudden the Red Sox faithful want him out. Nomar is easily one of the best shortstops in baseball, top two or three STILL, and he has proven he can help the Red Sox win. Call me when Alex proves he can do anything but take up money. A-Rod is a great player but he has yet to make any team better cause he eats up salary worse than any player in baseball other than Easley for the Tigers. The Rangers are trying to give the Red Sox an anchor and the Sox are asking how much it would cost to make the anchor heavier. The Red Sox better pray they can trade for Alex cause they have basically told Manny and Nomar to go to hell. For the life of me, I cannot grasp what the hell the Red Sox are doing. I would rather pay to sign a player like Nomar who I KNOW isn't going to demand a trade by year 2 like A-Rod will. The Red Sox are making a new curse, "The Curse of A-Rod". Cause I can bet whoever ends up with Nomar unless it is the Tigers will win a World Series before the Red Sox. You obviously have no knowledge of contract lengths or baseball at all First off A-Rod's contract isn't going to end until 2010 unless he opts out, which is highly unlikely. Second off when he is traded here he's going to restructure his contract a tad...Gene "The Grinch" Orza will allow $13-15mill to be moved around. When A-Rod gets here he'll be staying here. Manny stated he wanted to play for the Yankees, which is not only another team but the hated rival of the team he is playing for...he should be told to go to hell. Nomar's agent is asking for $17mill a year and with the market correction he's not worth it. Now you'll say "So A-Rod is worth $25mill?!" but basically where taking on A-Rod to get rid of Manny whom also has a bad contract. Tom Hicks is slowly caving in as he has already dropped $10mill off his demands...only a matter of time. Man i'm usually with you on all things New England but this is the most naieve post I have seen yet. You spend way too much time at the ESPN Red Sox board. The deal fell through because the Sox didnt want to send 5 million per year to pay for Manny's contract. They wanted to restructure A-Rod's deal to get that 5 million per year extra and essentially have A-Rod pay for Manny's contracr in a roundabout way. Of course this was laughed at and rejected by the MLBPA because it wasn't monetarily benefiting A-Rod. Funny thing is the Sox knew this was going to happen so the real reason was to show Hicks that they were trying to do the deal when they had no real intention of doing it unless they dropped their demands of the 5 mil per year for manny. Manny Ramirez stated that he would like to play for the team he grew up cheering for. He said this for future pland AFTER his term with Boston ended. Then, of course, when the Sox put him on waivers he said he wanted to go to NY. I got news for you bro. If I was playing for the Giants, and I was born in LA, and the Giants put me on waivers(assuming I am the same type of player in the same contract situation as manny that is) I would say I wanted to play for my home team too since the Giants didnt want to pay my contract anymore. I'm sick and tired of hearing how Manny is a cancer to Boston and he hates being here. The guy does nothing but put up numbers and anchor's the best offense in baseball and he is criticized for every little stupid insignificant thing he does by the relentlessly negative Boston media. I could give a rats ass if he wants to have a few drinks with his friend Enrique Wilson after missing a game because he was sick. I could care less if he refused to Pinch Hit in a close game(which they won) because he said he wasnt feeling good...for all I know he knew that he coulnt perform to the best of his ability at that point. I don't care if he someday wants to play for out "Bitter Rival". He is arguably the best pure hitter in the god damn league right now and people(media) want to run him out of town because they hear the name "A-Rod". Boston fans need to remember what Nomar has meant to this team for the last 7 years and show some common sense knowing that the guy, being the second best player at his position, is obviously going to ask for a longer contract extention guaraunteeing that he finishes his career as a Red Sox. How does anyone not understand that he rejected the 4 year 60 mil deal because he wants, and DESERVES a longer extention than 4 years for everythig he does for this team. I know this deal is probably not happening and i'm thankful that it isn't. Nomar and John Henry are professionals, and if they can come to terms on a deal before this season, or after this season, then it's all good and fine. If they cannot come to terms then nomar will go to another team, which would be a shame, yet would be good for Theo and Co. since his long term goal is to re-build the farm system with players HE chooses. Nomar walking away would give Theo more draft picks to do that with while also giving Boston some payroll flexibility to allow for the re-signing of Jason Varitek, Trot Nixon, and Derek Lowe to name a few. Right now as far as I am concerned the team is almost done with dealing for the most part for 2004. They have the exact core lineup as last year sans Todd Walker(replaced by Bellhorn and Reese), and have added one of the better workhorse pitchers(Shilling) and a Closer who has been very steady and successful the past few years. Not to mention a manager that probably(hopefully) knows what to do. It makes perfect sense for Boston to keep Manny Ramirez and Nomar Garciaparra(even if only for one last year) and there is NO urgency to break it up. IF they get the deal THEY want from Texas they will probably do it, but it will be on the Red Sox' terms, not Texas'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2003 How does anyone not understand that he rejected the 4 year 60 mil deal because he wants, and DESERVES a longer extention than 4 years for everythig he does for this team. I agree with your sentiment regarding Manny and Nomar, but I have to take issue with this statement. What's the guarantee Nomar will be as good when he's 35. He'll almost certainly decline somewhat. Giving Nomar an insanely long contract is the kind of thing that can bury the team, long term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 How does anyone not understand that he rejected the 4 year 60 mil deal because he wants, and DESERVES a longer extention than 4 years for everythig he does for this team. I agree with your sentiment regarding Manny and Nomar, but I have to take issue with this statement. What's the guarantee Nomar will be as good when he's 35. He'll almost certainly decline somewhat. Giving Nomar an insanely long contract is the kind of thing that can bury the team, long term. And what's the guarantee A-Rod would be as good when he's 35? It could go either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted December 20, 2003 hell, Nomar is already declining, he's dropped off since his injury. Nomar's not worth $15 million for one year now, only the most clueless team (*ahem*dodgers) would give him four. And doesn't A-Rod have like 9 years to go untill he's 35? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
