Bored 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Angel Berroa and Dontrelle Willis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Kamala 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Both are debatable choices but not too outrageous. I may be the only one but I would've gone with Rocco Baldelli and Dontrielle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 I'm just happy Matsui didn't win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 So Willis wins, huh? He's a pretty underwhelming choice, considering how he fizzled after his rather impressive 9-1 start. Brandon Webb was nails all year; where is the respect for him?? I guess playing for the world champs (despite pitching poorly in the postseason) and having a funky delivery is enough to win the award these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 The awards are mailed in before the postseason, so Willis' performance and the Marlins championship don't figure into the results. With the media coverage Willis got, he was bound to win despite Webb's superior performance. Overall though, there's not much to complain about here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Horseshit. Matsui's numbers are better almost across the board. (Angel had more runs and 1 more homerun.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Mazui didn't win, thank god. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Hell, Webb didn't even get second place, Podsednik did. Willis should have won. Webb may have done better statistically, but Willis energized a team all the way to the playoffs and world title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Hell, Webb didn't even get second place, Podsednik did. Willis should have won. Webb may have done better statistically, but Willis energized a team all the way to the playoffs and world title. Well, Matsui did the same for the Yankees, as he was one of the main reasons the Yankees did make thelay offs this year. BUT OMG HE'S A YANKEE AND YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR A YANKEE~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Horseshit. Matsui's numbers are better almost across the board. (Angel had more runs and 1 more homerun.) He also had more triples, more stolen bases, and higher slugging percentage. Um not exactly across the board for Matsui. Their numbers overall are fairly similar (Berroa with a one point edge in OPS) and Berroa didn't have the expierence of over 1,200 games in a high level professional league like Matsui so he gets the nod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Horseshit. Matsui's numbers are better almost across the board. (Angel had more runs and 1 more homerun.) He also had more stolen bases He was also caught stealing more. Triples were fairly close, but Hideki blew him away in two baggers. and Berroa didn't have the expierence of over 1,200 games in a high level professional league like Matsui That means nothing. They gave it to Ichiro, did they not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 (edited) Wow, Royals representation Put me on the "Glad Chopsui didn't win it" list, not just because I hate the Yanks, but I also hope the voters finally got it in their head that being a Japanese pro-ball-player (or pro-ball player in any other league) for x number of years should disqualify them from MLB ROTY awards Edited November 10, 2003 by Angelslayer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 and Berroa didn't have the expierence of over 1,200 games in a high level professional league like Matsui That means nothing. They gave it to Ichiro, did they not? And they were wrong then too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 He was also caught stealing more. Triples were fairly close, but Hideki blew him away in two baggers. Hmmm so do we take the guy who stole 21 out of 26 bases or the guy who stole 2 out of 4 bases? Gee I don't know tough call. Oh and Berroa had 7 triples to Matsui's 1. That's close? That means nothing. They gave it to Ichiro, did they not? No point in bringing up Ichiro because he shouldn't have won either for the exact same reason. Same with Kaz Sasaki and Hideo Nomo. The Japanese League has proven to be strong and a true professional league. Just because they've voted that way in the past doesn't mean people shouldn't start voting a different way now. Again similar statistics (when you actully LOOK at them) and Matsui is 29 with real pro expierence so Berroa was the obvious choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 10, 2003 No point in bringing up Ichiro because he shouldn't have won either for the exact same reason. And he only won because if they didn't give it to him, they would have had to give it to a Yankee. Either Soriano or Matsui got totally fucked by the Sports writers, since their stuations are similar (but opposite) take your pick. I don't necessarily mind giving it to whatshisface just by itself. But I'm annoyed that a precedent was set that they ignored so it could go to a non-Yankee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Oh god damn here we go with the anit-Yankee media bullshit. Anyways Ichiro's rookie season was far superior to Matsui's. He still shouldn't have won but its worth pointing out. If Matsui had a season like Ichiro's he would have won easily and he still almost won! Also you insult these players by giving them a rookie of the year award and I remember Peter Gammons saying that Kaz Sasaki didn't want the award when he won it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 As far as rookies go, the precident goes back to the award's creation in the late 40s, when Jackie Robinson and Larry Doby won the award, despite experience in the negro leagues. After 50+ years, I see no need to change the parameters. That said, Berroa deserves the award. All the discussion about performance forgets one crucial point. Berroa is a shortstop, and thus plays a position where offense is scarcer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 10, 2003 Oh god damn here we go with the anit-Yankee media bullshit. Anyways Ichiro's rookie season was far superior to Matsui's. He still shouldn't have won but its worth pointing out. I'd like to see it compared side to side with Soriano's Obviously we know who had less walks and more K's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 I'm gonna question the choice of Willis. He was crap once the league saw him the second time around and he never did anything to prove that he had their number. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 I'm sorry, but I don't think Soriano and Ichiro are even close. Ichiro had a .381 OBP compared to Soriano's .304. Ichiro also had the edge in BA, and slugging percentage. Ichiro also had 14 more steals than Soriano. Ichiro beat Soriano in walks, by ONE (30 to 29). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2003 For Willis and Webb, I'd point out that Webb's superior ERA also occured with Webb pitching in a hitters' park, and Willis in a pitchers' park. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 10, 2003 All the discussion about performance forgets one crucial point. Berroa is a shortstop, and thus plays a position where offense is scarcer. It also neglects to mention that Matsui was only getting his first look ever at these fields and pitchers. Not that an 35 game, 130 AB difference actually means anything, but I'm just adding little facts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 OMG HE'S A YANKEE OMG HE'S A 40-YEAR OLD MAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 11, 2003 OMG HE'S A YANKEE OMG HE'S A 40-YEAR OLD MAN Or 29. Whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 Berroa played a much harder defensive positition has well. One mind you that isn't supposed to put the offensive numbers a LF is. Podesnik should of won in the NL. Hit over .300, near .400 O.B., and close to 30 steals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted November 11, 2003 As far as rookies go, the precident goes back to the award's creation in the late 40s, when Jackie Robinson and Larry Doby won the award, despite experience in the negro leagues. After 50+ years, I see no need to change the parameters. exactly. the award was practically created for guys who had experience in professional ball. to bitch about them winning it is silly. my only problem with Matsui losing is two guys left him off the ballot completly in a not-so-veiled attempt to protest. Webb being left off can only be blamed on stupidity, fortunatly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
