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Chris Benoit and Perry Saturn?

[PsychoDriver 0]

zach is the 200 equivalent of andre the giant. he's employed b/c he's basically a freak of nature.

 

andre was tough, though.

Gowen isn't really credible at all in the ring. Who would believe a little one legged kid could beat anyone clean? That among other things (attitude, lack of charisma ETC) is really hurting him.

 

While Andre was different. A big huge brick wall of a man that you didn't think anyone could actually beat in a match and the fans actually cared him.

 

Andre is still looked apon in a positive light, while Gowen will be #7 or something on a "Worst WWE Mistakes ever" list in a few years

[Downhome 0]

I am a Gowan apologist.

You are quite possibly the most delusional man this business has seen, and it has plenty.

 

I can understand the Hogan appreciation and the Goldberg markdom (barely), but seriously, I think marks would be laughing at you by this point.

How precious, you know how to edit a quote~!

 

Woluld you like a cookie?

[Guest Ray]

andre was tough, though.

Andre could also draw like nothing else and was the go-to guy for putting stiff hosses in their place. Two things that Gowan doesn't and two things that are badly needed in the business today.

 

Am I the only one who imagines the sight of today's stiff motherfuckers like Bradshaw and Goldberg getting their just deserts like that? Maybe Mr. Spear&Jackhammer would protect his opponent a little more after waking up one morning in pain all over.

Big drunk angry Andre no-selling Goldberg's stuff would rule all.

 

Seriously, I'd PAY good money to see that.

[Highland 0]

I've always wondered what the difference, physically between Andre and TBS is. Yes I know Andre is far more talented than TBS, but they are nearly the same size and I've wondered why TBS has never been pushed as the second coming of Andre, even based solely on their similar sizes.

[PsychoDriver 0]

I've always wondered what the difference, physically between Andre and TBS is. Yes I know Andre is far more talented than TBS, but they are nearly the same size and I've wondered why TBS has never been pushed as the second coming of Andre, even based solely on their similar sizes.

Second Coming of Andre? WCW billed him as Andre's son coming at Hogan for revenge for awhile.

[The Czech Republic 0]

andre was tough, though.

Andre could also draw like nothing else and was the go-to guy for putting stiff hosses in their place. Two things that Gowan doesn't and two things that are badly needed in the business today.

 

Am I the only one who imagines the sight of today's stiff motherfuckers like Bradshaw and Goldberg getting their just deserts like that? Maybe Mr. Spear&Jackhammer would protect his opponent a little more after waking up one morning in pain all over.

Big drunk angry Andre no-selling Goldberg's stuff would rule all.

 

Seriously, I'd PAY good money to see that.

I'd praise Randy Orton to see that. And pay good money, bad money, Monopoly money, everything

[Slayer 0]

andre was tough, though.

Andre could also draw like nothing else and was the go-to guy for putting stiff hosses in their place. Two things that Gowan doesn't and two things that are badly needed in the business today.

 

Am I the only one who imagines the sight of today's stiff motherfuckers like Bradshaw and Goldberg getting their just deserts like that? Maybe Mr. Spear&Jackhammer would protect his opponent a little more after waking up one morning in pain all over.

Big drunk angry Andre no-selling Goldberg's stuff would rule all.

 

Seriously, I'd PAY good money to see that.

I'd praise Randy Orton to see that. And pay good money, bad money, Monopoly money, everything

Canadian money?

[The Czech Republic 0]

andre was tough, though.

Andre could also draw like nothing else and was the go-to guy for putting stiff hosses in their place. Two things that Gowan doesn't and two things that are badly needed in the business today.

 

Am I the only one who imagines the sight of today's stiff motherfuckers like Bradshaw and Goldberg getting their just deserts like that? Maybe Mr. Spear&Jackhammer would protect his opponent a little more after waking up one morning in pain all over.

Big drunk angry Andre no-selling Goldberg's stuff would rule all.

 

Seriously, I'd PAY good money to see that.

I'd praise Randy Orton to see that. And pay good money, bad money, Monopoly money, everything

Canadian money?

I said Monopoly money, didn't I? :-)

[Downhome 0]

I've always wondered what the difference, physically between Andre and TBS is. Yes I know Andre is far more talented than TBS, but they are nearly the same size and I've wondered why TBS has never been pushed as the second coming of Andre, even based solely on their similar sizes.

TBS is a good half foot or so taller than Andre. Andre the Giant is more of a legend/myth. THe reason that everyone deemed him so big, is because of his body proportions. Andre's arms, legs, hands, torso, feet, and especially his head was just so huge. In height though, he was never taller than 6'10" or so, and at death he was only 6'9".

 

If Andre stood next to TBS, or even some of the other big guys of today, it would blow you away. He'd still look larger than everyone else though, in terms of his body.

 

Speaking of Andre, I downloaded a match of him vs. Stan Hansen from around '81 or so, and it's GREAT! Andre running around, bumping his ass off, Hansen bodyslamming him. It's just a great match, and the crowed was HOT for it.

[Slayer 0]

andre was tough, though.

Andre could also draw like nothing else and was the go-to guy for putting stiff hosses in their place. Two things that Gowan doesn't and two things that are badly needed in the business today.

 

Am I the only one who imagines the sight of today's stiff motherfuckers like Bradshaw and Goldberg getting their just deserts like that? Maybe Mr. Spear&Jackhammer would protect his opponent a little more after waking up one morning in pain all over.

Big drunk angry Andre no-selling Goldberg's stuff would rule all.

 

Seriously, I'd PAY good money to see that.

I'd praise Randy Orton to see that. And pay good money, bad money, Monopoly money, everything

Canadian money?

I said Monopoly money, didn't I? :-)

Bad monopoly money

[Guest Ray]

Speaking of Andre, I downloaded a match of him vs. Stan Hansen from around '81 or so, and it's GREAT! Andre running around, bumping his ass off, Hansen bodyslamming him. It's just a great match, and the crowed was HOT for it.

Hell yes!

 

The crowd goes APESHIT for that HUGE Lariat. Just an insane match. Loved it.

[Downhome 0]

Speaking of Andre, I downloaded a match of him vs. Stan Hansen from around '81 or so, and it's GREAT! Andre running around, bumping his ass off, Hansen bodyslamming him. It's just a great match, and the crowed was HOT for it.

Hell yes!

 

The crowd goes APESHIT for that HUGE Lariat. Just an insane match. Loved it.

The date is 9/23/81 by the way. I just love Hansen so much, he's just so fucking awesome.

 

Everyone should watch that match, it's a great brawl.

[Guest Ray]

Hansen/Andre can be downloaded here if anyone wants to see it.

 

And while you're there, get Hansen & Brody vs. Tsuruta & Tenryu as well.

[Downhome 0]

And while you're there, get Hansen & Brody vs. Tsuruta & Tenryu as well.

Thanks a lot for that.

 

I'm about to watch Hansen/Destroyer that I downloaded a while ago.

[Guest BDC]

To my memory, there's one guy Bradshaw messed w/ that he backed down from. I remember reading the report over at LoP where he walked up behind Steve Blackman while Blackman was getting his bag and grabbed his ass. Steve turned around and punched Bradshaw in the face. The article said Bradshaw backed down b/c he didn't want to get killed.

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Is Gowan really that much of a bitch? I mean I know some people have egos and all, but for someone at his level, that seems way too much... my natural instinct is that he is probably too full of himself, but the dirtsheets and wrestlers who dont like him have exaggerated. At least I hope so..

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- WWE has already been accused of trying to distance themselves from the Crash situation by not mentioning his death on TV yet. But considering it was up on their own website before anyone else had heard about it, that's not the case. The feeling inside the company is that they just finished their coverage of Stu and Hawk, with the big Hawk tribute running just this past weekend, and jumping right into another death announcement seemed a little too soon. Not to mention that it's kinda depressing to start a show that way.

 

 

Bah, I told you all that this was more than likely the reason why we hadn't seen anything about him. Vince doesn't want everyone realizing that Pro. Wrestlers, and those in the industry, are dying so fucking much, so he just avoided this one...for now

 

I still think it has to do more with Crash's postion and how important he was in the WWE. Cause like it says in the Torch even if Crash had died three months ago or three months from now, we probably wouldn't see much more than a graphic to inform people that he'd died. And WWE knows that. And I think Vince is using the whole Hawk/Stu death time as an excuse.

[Downhome 0]

His posistion? He was the centerpiece of the Hardcore division for a while, which was very over by the fans.

 

It isn't like he was some jobber, he had a pretty large role and had a lot of exposure for quite a while.

 

Vince just doesn't want the fans to catch on that so many wrestlers are passing away, and that's that.

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

His posistion? He was the centerpiece of the Hardcore division for a while, which was very over by the fans.

 

And lets be real his Hardcore run was mostly comedy.

 

It isn't like he was some jobber, he had a pretty large role and had a lot of exposure for quite a while

 

Yeah but, he was lower midcarder at best.

[Downhome 0]

What does it matter? He filled a vital part of WWE TV for a very long time, the fans loved him, and he was talked about all the time. I don't see how someone can say Crash was nothing, when he was part of one of the most remembered gimmicks of the past five or so years.

 

Give WWE a month, two months, or whatever, and they'll have a piece on him and his WWE career on Confidential.

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

What does it matter? He filled a vital part of WWE TV for a very long time, the fans loved him, and he was talked about all the time. I don't see how someone can say Crash was nothing, when he was part of one of the most remembered gimmicks of the past five or so years.

 

Give WWE a month, two months, or whatever, and they'll have a piece on him and his WWE career on Confidential.

 

First of all I'm not trying to diss or downplay his work. I loved him in the hardcore divison. But, in the overall things in WWE he wasn't that big and the fact that he wasn't with the WWE at the time leads me to believe that had more to do with the WWE not talking about his death.

 

Let me put it to you like this say Arn Anderson had died that day instead of Crash. Now do you think that WWE would pull the same thing with Arn that they did with Crash? I doubt it.

[Downhome 0]

Let me put it to you like this say Arn Anderson had died that day instead of Crash. Now do you think that WWE would pull the same thing with Arn that they did with Crash? I doubt it.

Of course not.

 

If it was Arn, or any of the bigger names like that, the legends, or a current WWE worker, they would obviously go ahead and mention their passing. It would almost be as if they were forced to, they'd really have no choice.

 

Crash was a smaller name, and because of that, they can get away with not mentioning his passing right now. It isn't that they don't care about him, it isn't that they aren't sad he's gone, it's ONLY because they didn't want to continue to show that someone ELSE has died. Two other guys passed just weeks/days prior to his passing, and as a result of that they have an "excuse" as to why they didn't mention him.

 

I guarentee you that had Hawk not died so soon before Crash, they would have both showed a picture of him, and had a piece on him on Confidential either tonight, or next week.

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

Crash was a smaller name, and because of that, they can get away with not mentioning his passing right now.

 

Exactly. I still think that's one of the reason but, like you said it also has to do with Stu and Hawk's passing also.

 

It isn't that they don't care about him, it isn't that they aren't sad he's gone, it's ONLY because they didn't want to continue to show that someone ELSE has died. Two other guys passed just weeks/days prior to his passing, and as a result of that they have an "excuse" as to why they didn't mention him.

 

I stil think the least they could have done with have a pic and a 10 bell salute. I mean even on Byte This, a "smark" show cept a few words from Holly they didn't mention his death.

[Downhome 0]

They'll mention it, but it'll be a while before they do so.

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

Yeah and that's the problem.

[Downhome 0]

Yeah and that's the problem.

Well you have to admit that it looks a bit odd with them showing the passing of a wrestler so offten.

 

I'm not saying it ok that they have ignored Crash so far, but you have to look at it as I'm sure they are doing.

[Guest Megatron]

Hansen/Andre can be downloaded here if anyone wants to see it.

You call this a good match? I downloaded it just to see what you call a "good" match. Blech. Restholds abound. Andre works his elbow for most of the match. Hansen sometimes acts like it's hurt. And you call the selling in Bret/HBK Iron Man bad? 3 minutes to restart a match? Slow, slow, slow. I'm sorry, but after seeing this match, you have zero credibility with me about who's a good wrestler. This match SUCKED.

[Guest Ray]

You call this a good match?

Yes.

 

Restholds abound.

Where? I hope you don't think Andre working Hansen's arm is a "resthold."

 

Andre works his elbow for most of the match.

Yes, that's called GOOD PSYCHOLOGY. If you're familiar with Stan Hansen, you'll know that his most devastating move is the Western Lariat. Working the arm he delivers the move with is called GOOD PSYCHOLOGY.

 

Hansen sometimes acts like it's hurt. And you call the selling in Bret/HBK Iron Man bad?

What the hell are you talking about?

 

3 minutes to restart a match?

Your point being?

 

Slow, slow, slow.

You say this was slow, yet you praise the slowest match of all time, the WM12 iron man?

 

I'm sorry, but after seeing this match, you have zero credibility with me about who's a good wrestler.

As if I care what you think?

 

Stan Hansen was a great wrestler. Easily one of the best ever. Much better than Shawn Michaels, without a doubt. Unless, you DON'T care for smart psychology and good selling.

 

This match SUCKED.

No, it didn't. It was a good, solid wrestling match.