Red Baron Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 I think the degeneration of music began with MTV, personaly.
Masked Man of Mystery Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 I can't believe no one is mentioning the Beach Boys when they talk 60s and 70s. Sure, they weren't great at first, but they were quite possibly the most talented vocal wise group in rock history. I DARE anyone to sit with a good Beach boys CD and not feel good afterward. Checl out their live double album on a CD Concert/Live In London for a great example. Modern pop music DOES suck, but a lot of it is subjective. I love the Beach Boys to death, but I am one of like 10 people on the face of this earth who don't like the Beatles. Millions declare the Rolling Stones the greatest badn on earth, while I say i liked Paint it Black, other than that, their hits CD Fourty Licks did very little for me. Meanwhile, my little brother loves pop and would be into rap if he were allowed to. I once was talking about Elvis to him and he called him "Nelly back then". That says a whole lot.
spiny norman Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 Anybody who says the Rolling Stones are the greatest band ever should listen to what they did after 1971. Your brother sounds silly, as do you, because The Beatles don't suck. You're right about The Beach Boys though, they are supremely under-rated as a 60s group. It's just because there are so many brilliant 60s acts that people are bound to forget about the brilliance of some of them. The Supremes, for example.
Guest El Satanico Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 The Supremes? That's the best example you had for a "forgotten" 60's band? Also, I don't agree that The Beach Boys are a "forgotten" 60's band. They may not be one of the bands people first mention when discussing the 60's, but in no way are they "forgotten".
spiny norman Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 They're under-rated. That's what he said, wasn't it? If The Beach Boys are under-rated, then The Supremes definitely are.
Guest Choken One Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 The Beach Boys are for some reasons treated like a punch line... Maybe it's because our generation only thinks of them as that old band that Uncle Jesse Sang with in Hawaii.
Guest El Satanico Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 I honestly don't see them as underrated. Aren't they are considered one of the top Motown acts?
spiny norman Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 Yes, but what he was saying is The Beach Boys aren't taken seriously. Like what Choken says. Most people I know don't take The Supremes seriously, but maybe I mainly know idiots.
Guest El Satanico Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 Oh I didn't see what he said as saying they aren't taken serious. I now see how I could've misunderstood what he meant. I agree that The Beach Boys are often not taken serious, but it's often by those who don't like or appreciate old music. I haven't noticed it very often concerning The Supremes or really any Motown.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 I'd call the Beach Boys OVERrated if anything. I think Pet Sounds is a masterpiece of production, with great songwriting, but I don't think I can stand a single thing they did other than that. They just come across as being way too cheerful for their own good, especially when Brian Wilson was a nutbar. That, and I live about a thousand miles away from the nearest beach, so I can't really relate.
Silence Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 Even if she wasn't a shitty lyricist (See the classic Alanis lyric generator page), her over-the-top whiny whiny WHINY voice turns me off faster than a hoss lovefest I know this is off-topic, but two years ago, one of my friends said he took a shit on an Alanis Morisette CD. I laughed and thought the CD deserved it because I don't have an interest in Morisette's music either. On to the topic. I think the downfall of 90's music began when MTV slowly started to faze out the Nirvana's, Alice-n-Chains', etc. in 1997 and the Backstreet Boys became a band around that time, possibly. MTV had them as their featured band since then, and then Britney Spears and other lame pop acts started to emerge later in addition to MTV also getting rid of Beavis & Butthead, even though they weren't music artists, it was just a comedic cartoon with music videos. Then, the poser-grunge bands and nu-metal bands emerged in the late 90's. It started the time when many people, including myself, hated MTV, and we still do today.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 Anybody who says the Rolling Stones are the greatest band ever should listen to what they did after 1971. What, you mean release Exile on Main St., one of the greatest albums ever period? I'm guessing you meant all the crap after that, but Exile was '72. After that, gimme Some Girls, and you can keep the rest.
WrestlingDeacon Posted November 23, 2003 Report Posted November 23, 2003 Some Girls is actually my personal favorite Stones album. I like a lot of the individual singles from after Exile on, but most of the albums weren't of the high nature they were doing before.
Masked Man of Mystery Posted November 24, 2003 Report Posted November 24, 2003 I'd call the Beach Boys OVERrated if anything. I think Pet Sounds is a masterpiece of production, with great songwriting, but I don't think I can stand a single thing they did other than that. They just come across as being way too cheerful for their own good, especially when Brian Wilson was a nutbar. That, and I live about a thousand miles away from the nearest beach, so I can't really relate. I haven't gone to a beach in years. They sang about a lot of other stuff too. And well, heck, we all need some good cheeriness here and there. I'm a hopeless fan of them. As for the Beatles, I wouldn't say they suck, certainly, but they just don't do anything for me. Just me, I guess
Guest JericholicEdgeHead Posted November 24, 2003 Report Posted November 24, 2003 "Good God almighty. Show me a song Whitesnake made that could even come close to touching "Estranged", "Rocket Queen", or even "Patience". There is a reason people remember who Axl Rose and Slash are.........good fuckin music. There is also a reason people remember who Whitesnake were......they had some bitch dance on a car in their video. There is absolutely NO comparison between the two bands" What no love for Whitesnake?? Sure I agree that Whitesnake didn't have the impact that Guns N' Roses had, but I remember Whitesnake for more than just Tawney dancing on the car. David Coverdale had a great "rock" voice, listen to some of the early Whitesnake stuff, which was some killer blues based rock. The Coverdale/Page album is also underrated in my opinion. I would listen to Whitesnake over about 95% of today's so-called music. Would I compare Whitesnake to Guns N Roses....NO....but they were far from the worst "hair band" and Coverdale had some talent, can't say that for Britney or Fred Durst or most of today's "music stars". Just my opinion.
Guest Doyo Posted November 24, 2003 Report Posted November 24, 2003 Yeah, Whitesnake was a good hard rock band. Before the "Tawney on the car" videos came out, they had already been on a major label for ten years and had hit albums. Coverdale was good, even though I'm guessing he would be the first to admit how much he tried to copy Plant. Whitesnake also had some good guitarists in Vandenburg, John Sykes and Steve Vai.
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