Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 20, 2003 (edited) Blanket Statement : I hate TNA because of their treatment of Russo Does that make anyone happy???????? Yes, because I can understand your line of thinking at least. Thank You Waitaminute...was that an insult???? Because I have the nerve to like Russo or something??????? Edited November 20, 2003 by Dave O'Neill, Journalist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 Blanket Statement : I hate TNA because of their treatment of Russo Does that make anyone happy???????? Yes, because I can understand your line of thinking at least. Thank You Waitaminute...was that an insult???? Because I have the nerve to like Russo or something??????? No. You made a point that I can understand. I don't like Russo, but if you like him that's fine. If you like him a ton (which it seems like you do) and don't like that he's been phased out, I would understand that you dislike TNA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 I read the Observer, The Torch and Dames' Diatribe, and these give me a pretty good foundation as to whats going on. But Meltzer loves Dutch Mantel and AMW. Do you actually read the actual Observer newsletter, or just the website - HUGE difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 20, 2003 (edited) I read both, and I haven't read glowing praise for Dutch in recent weeks. He was actually criticised by the Meltz a few days ago, saying the ludicrous booking of AJ in the past few weeks is proof that Dutch never watched the shows before starting booking. As has been noted by a few people on this board, Mantell's slowass week-to-week booking works fine on free tv, but on PPV, people expect something. At least with Russo, you got payoffs now and again. Dutch's system is leading to a huge discrepancy in buying shows, where its say....3 weeks of buildup to a pay off show, so people won't bother to buy the three weeks. TNA, Yes, We did fire the most successful booker of the 1990's, to appease Hulk Hogan, and replaced him with Uncle Zebekiah. Yes, we will be the No. 1 Pro Wrestling Company in Six Months Edited November 20, 2003 by Dave O'Neill, Journalist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted November 20, 2003 I'm not really a fan of Vince Russo because of his "hit or miss" style, however I agree that making changes like his involvement to accomodate someone who isn't even on the roster is pretty retarded. I mean, Hulk Hogan never even came in and Russo still got sent home. Why would Hogan get any say? Yes, he has a huge name, probably the biggest name in wrestling, but he shouldn't have that much stroke, especially when he's not even in the fucking company yet. "Hey, I'll be there in a month, send Russo home." That's what it seems like to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 20, 2003 What annoys me even more, and I'll probably get flamed for this, is that I doubt Hulk Hogan will ever be in TNA. Feb 29 is a fortnight before March 14....I doubt Hogan wants to risk injuring himself before he gets on a flight for NYC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted November 20, 2003 I'm in the minority (maybe the only person) but I don't think the Hulkster will be at Wrestlemania XX. The WWE got their match out of him with Hogan/Rock. This time, there is no nWo, there isn't a Rock (as of right now, I'm sure he'll show up around January or so) and Hogan has nothing left to do. I don't know why people say Hogan/Austin would be a "dream match." I know that I don't want to watch it, nor have I ever thought "man, I hope I get to see Hogan/Austin one day!" I thought about Hogan/Rock, Austin/Goldberg & HBK/Sting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 I honestly think that there is NO chance that Hogan will be at Wrestlemania. He has nothing to achieve by being there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eirejmcmahon 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 I honestly think that there is NO chance that Hogan will be at Wrestlemania. He has nothing to achieve by being there. It's the money and the crowd pop he wants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 Hogan will not be at Wrestlemania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 I honestly think that there is NO chance that Hogan will be at Wrestlemania. He has nothing to achieve by being there. It's the money and the crowd pop he wants. Who would he face ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 Why would Hogan get any say? Yes, he has a huge name, probably the biggest name in wrestling, but he shouldn't have that much stroke, especially when he's not even in the fucking company yet. Because he's Hulk Hogan, and they will do anything to get him in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 But still, WHO would he face ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 But still, WHO would he face ? I'm not talking Wrestlemania b/c he won't be there. I was referring to TNA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eirejmcmahon 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 Hogan will not be at Wrestlemania. Here's hoping, yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted November 20, 2003 I would have to agree and say that Hogan will NOT be brought in for Wrestlemania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 20, 2003 TNA, Yes, We did fire the most successful booker of the 1990's, to appease Hulk Hogan, and replaced him with Uncle Zebekiah. Yes, we will be the No. 1 Pro Wrestling Company in Six Months Umm, doesn't WCW's run with hin in 1999 and in 2000 disprove that notion? They lost HOW many millions? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 TNA, Yes, We did fire the most successful booker of the 1990's, to appease Hulk Hogan, and replaced him with Uncle Zebekiah. Yes, we will be the No. 1 Pro Wrestling Company in Six Months Umm, doesn't WCW's run with hin in 1999 and in 2000 disprove that notion? They lost HOW many millions? -=Mike More than 60! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 20, 2003 TNA, Yes, We did fire the most successful booker of the 1990's, to appease Hulk Hogan, and replaced him with Uncle Zebekiah. Yes, we will be the No. 1 Pro Wrestling Company in Six Months Umm, doesn't WCW's run with hin in 1999 and in 2000 disprove that notion? They lost HOW many millions? -=Mike More than 60! I've read numbers of anywhere between 40 and 80 million. You know, if I were a stockholder, I'd be a little annoyed that a corporation was having such a hard time figuring out exactly HOW much a division lost. 40 million is no small number and that was the basic UNKNOWN level of how much was lost. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 TNA, Yes, We did fire the most successful booker of the 1990's, to appease Hulk Hogan, and replaced him with Uncle Zebekiah. Yes, we will be the No. 1 Pro Wrestling Company in Six Months Umm, doesn't WCW's run with hin in 1999 and in 2000 disprove that notion? They lost HOW many millions? -=Mike More than 60! I've read numbers of anywhere between 40 and 80 million. You know, if I were a stockholder, I'd be a little annoyed that a corporation was having such a hard time figuring out exactly HOW much a division lost. 40 million is no small number and that was the basic UNKNOWN level of how much was lost. -=Mike There are serious issues there and it is amazing they were never looked into. They sold that company to the WWE for only 2.5 million dollars. They were offered way more by other people, but still sold it for the 2.5 million. Was that in the stockholders best interest? I think not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 The number 67 million stands out in my head for some reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 20, 2003 There are serious issues there and it is amazing they were never looked into. They sold that company to the WWE for only 2.5 million dollars. They were offered way more by other people, but still sold it for the 2.5 million. Was that in the stockholders best interest? I think not. From what I understood, the other deals involved lots of speculation and some questionable financing while the WWF offered them money up front for it. Face it, without the TV deal, their value was LOW. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 You're right. For as much money that WCW lost the last couple of years, and for as horrible the product was, the ONLY reason it isn't around today is the TV was cancelled because the Time Warner Exec. didn't like wrestling. Those shows (even with their horrible ratings for wrestling standards) were very highly rated for cable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldSchoolWrestling 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2003 I mean, Hulk Hogan never even came in and Russo still got sent home. Why would Hogan get any say? Yes, he has a huge name, probably the biggest name in wrestling, but he shouldn't have that much stroke, especially when he's not even in the fucking company yet. "Hey, I'll be there in a month, send Russo home." That's what it seems like to me. They are banking their future on Hogan coming in, popping ratings and helping them get a tv deal. Hogan can ask them to change their name to NWA-TNAHogan and they would do it. Expect him to flex a lot of muscle when he comes in. Expect a lot of his friends to get jobs. He'll bring some good to the promotion, such as buyrates and possibly a tv deal. But he'll also bring a lot of bad, such as people like Brutus Beefcake and other scrubs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted November 20, 2003 I mean, Hulk Hogan never even came in and Russo still got sent home. Why would Hogan get any say? Yes, he has a huge name, probably the biggest name in wrestling, but he shouldn't have that much stroke, especially when he's not even in the fucking company yet. "Hey, I'll be there in a month, send Russo home." That's what it seems like to me. They are banking their future on Hogan coming in, popping ratings and helping them get a tv deal. Hogan can ask them to change their name to NWA-TNAHogan and they would do it. Expect him to flex a lot of muscle when he comes in. Expect a lot of his friends to get jobs. He'll bring some good to the promotion, such as buyrates and possibly a tv deal. But he'll also bring a lot of bad, such as people like Brutus Beefcake and other scrubs. From Indy results, Ed Leslie wrestles maybe 3 times a year now, unless he goes under a different name for some reason. I doubt he'd come in outside of a 1 shot deal. Nasty Boys are done basically, but they could come in for a few weeks. Jim Duggan? UGH. We already saw him THREE Times, and he sucked all three times. Jimmy Hart: Already in and is actually a decent person to have around. I can't name any other Hogan friends who would come in. WE WANT VADER! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 20, 2003 TNA, Yes, We did fire the most successful booker of the 1990's, to appease Hulk Hogan, and replaced him with Uncle Zebekiah. Yes, we will be the No. 1 Pro Wrestling Company in Six Months Umm, doesn't WCW's run with hin in 1999 and in 2000 disprove that notion? I hate to be a bitch about it, but which booker got an 8.13 for a 20 minute segment on October 5, 1999 Thank you very much. Russo = Better Than Dutch Mantell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted November 20, 2003 TNA, Yes, We did fire the most successful booker of the 1990's, to appease Hulk Hogan, and replaced him with Uncle Zebekiah. Yes, we will be the No. 1 Pro Wrestling Company in Six Months Umm, doesn't WCW's run with hin in 1999 and in 2000 disprove that notion? I hate to be a bitch about it, but which booker got an 8.13 for a 20 minute segment on October 5, 1999 Thank you very much. Russo = Better Than Dutch Mantell I have NO idea what was the 20 minutes for but I'll guess Benoit v. Bret? Otherwise no idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 20, 2003 The This Is Your Life segment with Mick, Rock, Jericho, a whole cast of nobodies, and some jabroni called Juventud. Russo's right, these days, the wrestling is an afterthought, its the interaction between two people that counts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted November 20, 2003 The This Is Your Life segment with Mick, Rock, Jericho, a whole cast of nobodies, and some jabroni called Juventud. Russo's right, these days, the wrestling is an afterthought, its the interaction between two people that counts OOOH he was still in WWF. My Bad. That was entertaining, but it seemed to drag at the end with no end in site until I think Trips forced them out of the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Hey Dave - how much money did that "this is your life" segment draw? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
