Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted November 21, 2003 The This Is Your Life segment with Mick, Rock, Jericho, a whole cast of nobodies, and some jabroni called Juventud. Russo's right, these days, the wrestling is an afterthought, its the interaction between two people that counts I don't seem to remember Jericho or Juventud in that segment. Did you even watch it? Oh, and you got the date wrong too. It was on September 27, 1999. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted November 21, 2003 The This Is Your Life segment with Mick, Rock, Jericho, a whole cast of nobodies, and some jabroni called Juventud. Russo's right, these days, the wrestling is an afterthought, its the interaction between two people that counts I don't seem to remember Jericho or Juventud in that segment. Did you even watch it? Oh, and you got the date wrong too. It was on September 27, 1999. HAHA! I can't believe I missed that! What a moron. But really, who would memorize the date of a certain segment of a RAW 4 years ago? It was the night after Unforgiven is all I know. Foley was sorry for putting Rock in the Mandible Claw and threw a party for him. "The Rocks birthdays isn't until May 2nd you dumb son of a bitch!" Or something like that. I don't remember the details Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 21, 2003 TNA, Yes, We did fire the most successful booker of the 1990's, to appease Hulk Hogan, and replaced him with Uncle Zebekiah. Yes, we will be the No. 1 Pro Wrestling Company in Six Months Umm, doesn't WCW's run with hin in 1999 and in 2000 disprove that notion? I hate to be a bitch about it, but which booker got an 8.13 for a 20 minute segment on October 5, 1999 Thank you very much. Russo = Better Than Dutch Mantell Which booker tanked time and time again during 1999 and 2000? Which booker gave David Arquette, Vince McMahon, AND himself World Title reigns? Which booker WANTED to give Tank Abbott a World Title reign? Which booker couldn't draw better numbers than the disastrous Sullivan era of early 2000? Which booker was SO bad that people, to this day, think he might have been a plant sent to really destroy WCW? Mantel hasn't impressed me at all --- but Russo had SO much crap, it blows my mind. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 21, 2003 The This Is Your Life segment with Mick, Rock, Jericho, a whole cast of nobodies, and some jabroni called Juventud. Russo's right, these days, the wrestling is an afterthought, its the interaction between two people that counts Wasn't he GONE at that point? Heck, which booker left his boss with NO notice and just went to the opposition? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Okay, I got my dates confused: The Rock/Sock/Jericho Promo was 4th October, 1999 http://slashwrestling.com/raw/991004.html The This is your Life segment was, indeed, the nigfht after Unforgiven, Sep 27, It, however, got an 8.4 http://slashwrestling.com/raw/990927.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Okay, I got my dates confused: The Rock/Sock/Jericho Promo was 4th October, 1999 http://slashwrestling.com/raw/991004.html The This is your Life segment was, indeed, the nigfht after Unforgiven, Sep 27, It, however, got an 8.4 http://slashwrestling.com/raw/990927.html Of course, as VALUABLE as he was, the WWE did even BETTER business WITHOUT him. Funny how that works. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Okay, I got my dates confused: The Rock/Sock/Jericho Promo was 4th October, 1999 http://slashwrestling.com/raw/991004.html The This is your Life segment was, indeed, the nigfht after Unforgiven, Sep 27, It, however, got an 8.4 http://slashwrestling.com/raw/990927.html Of course, as VALUABLE as he was, the WWE did even BETTER business WITHOUT him. Funny how that works. -=Mike He doesn't seem to understand the difference between ratings and drawing money, as 2000 was the year the WWE drew the most money and their head writer's name was Chris Keski I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 21, 2003 As far as ratings go, Russo is the most successful booker of all time. Happy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Isn't Vince technically the booker with Russo being the head writer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Average Raw Rating in 1999 w/ Russo: 6.08 Average Raw Rating in 2000 w/o Russo: 5.92 Average Nitro Rating in 1999: 3.65 Average Nitro Rating in 2000: 2.71 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Isn't Vince technically the booker with Russo being the head writer Yes, but in reality McMahon always has the final say. In WCW, Russo had no "filter." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Wasn't he GONE at that point? Heck, which booker left his boss with NO notice and just went to the opposition? Russo left in early October. I thnk the Rock/Sock/Jericho thing was the last thing he had a part in. On Nitro, The Outsiders return and the ensuing skits bear his trademarks As for leaving without notice, if you had been treated the way Russo was, wouldn't you leave? Which booker tanked time and time again during 1999 and 2000? Which booker gave David Arquette, Vince McMahon, AND himself World Title reigns? Which booker WANTED to give Tank Abbott a World Title reign? Which booker couldn't draw better numbers than the disastrous Sullivan era of early 2000? Which booker was SO bad that people, to this day, think he might have been a plant sent to really destroy WCW? 1. Arquette was a publicity stunt - didn't work. Vince winning the belt had nothing to do with him, it was a sweeps stunt for ratings. As for Himself winning the belt, get over it. 2. God, I thought the WWE Forum was the only place where we had "Push new people....no, not them" 3. Russo didn't drive anybody out of WCW. In fact, Russo pushed new people, like Benoit (He doesn't get nearly as much credit for pushing new people as he deserves.) 4. Conspiracy Theroy, get over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Average Raw Rating in 1999 w/ Russo: 6.08 Average Raw Rating in 2000 w/o Russo: 5.92 Yippee-Kay-Ay Muthafuckas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Please don't tell me you're going to start nitpicking over a 0.16 ratings difference. And please don't tell me that you think that Tank Abbott was a better, or even a good, choice simply because he was new. You seem to have your wires crossed on that mentality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 21, 2003 It proves that, when it comes to ratings, the Russofiction Era was more successful than The McMahon Helmsly Era Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted November 21, 2003 You DO realize that ratings only equal a part of the whole pie, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 21, 2003 . And please don't tell me that you think that Tank Abbott was a better, or even a good, choice simply because he was new. At least he was new. Sullivan's first choice to get the World Title for Souled Out was Randy Savage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 21, 2003 You DO realize that ratings only equal a part of the whole pie, right? Are you so Anti-Russo that you can't see any of the positves that were undertaken during his reigns as booker in WWF/WCW??? And before you throw that right back at me, Russo's problems in WCW were due to the ego's of certain people, and a general lack of help from the office. He only left the WWF because his support there fell out with him, and refused his request be put on TV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted November 21, 2003 . And please don't tell me that you think that Tank Abbott was a better, or even a good, choice simply because he was new. At least he was new. Sullivan's first choice to get the World Title for Souled Out was Randy Savage Yet you have this mentality that new=better, and that the WWE Folder thinks the same way, and that is an inaccurate blanket statement. Are you so Anti-Russo that you can't see any of the positves that were undertaken during his reigns as booker in WWF/WCW??? Show me where I said anything "anti-Russo". Russo's problems in WCW were due to the ego's of certain people, and a general lack of help from the office. And with certain decisions he made I'm not surprised. He only left the WWF because his support there fell out with him, and refused his request be put on TV. I wish I was there to see Vince McMahon's reaction to when he found out that Russo put the title on himself. It probably validated his decision to not put Russo on TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Didn't a lot of sponsers leave in 1999 because of the content thus negating the .16 advantage in ratings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 I posted those ratings with the intent of showing that Russo didn't make any difference, not that he was .16 better. .16 is NOTHING. Dave O - you make it clear every day that you have absolutely no concept of how the wrestling business is run and how it makes money. For you to say that the .16 proves that the Russo era is better than the Mcmahon-helmsley era is insane. I'm not sure what you're referring to with the MC-HHH era, but if it's the year 2000, you're nuts. WWF in 2000 was the most profitable year for any wrestling promotion in HISTORY. Russo had no part of that. So no, Ratings don't prove that the Russo era was better because almost identical ratings in the following era led to WAY more business, which shows that the 2000 ratings meant more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 He only left the WWF because his support there fell out with him, and refused his request be put on TV That is so wrong, and you don't even know it. Russo got an offer from WCW, was not under a WWF contract, took the offer and called Vince at the arena the day of a TV (Raw or Smackdown, can't remember) and told him over the phone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Which booker was SO bad that people, to this day, think he might have been a plant sent to really destroy WCW? 4. Conspiracy Theroy, get over it. Do you realize that he wasn't saying that he was sent? He was saying that the booking WAS SO BAD THAT it caused people to think that that might be true BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATION for the booking to be so bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 21, 2003 . And please don't tell me that you think that Tank Abbott was a better, or even a good, choice simply because he was new. At least he was new. Sullivan's first choice to get the World Title for Souled Out was Randy Savage Yet you have this mentality that new=better, and that the WWE Folder thinks the same way, and that is an inaccurate blanket statement. What happened was that I put a post up, praising the WWE for pushing Cade+Jyndrak, and Batista (still better than Sonjay Dutt) When I got abuse over it, I countered with a statement saying that the mentality of a lot of people is "Push new people....no, not them", which is just ridiculous. Tank Abbott may not have been the best choice for the WCW Title, but it was proof that Russo was looking outside the box, and not to the stale hacks his predecessors loved. Besides, if I was on the booking team (and God hope, one day I will be), I would have supported Russo. Abbott winning the belt would have had a WTF??? Factor to it. Show me where I said anything "anti-Russo". You havent said anything direct, but your flaming of me everytime I come out with a Pro-Russo statement, leads me to believe you are insanely anti-Russo, and pro-whatever crap Dutch Mantell throws out everyweek That is so wrong, and you don't even know it. Russo got an offer from WCW, was not under a WWF contract, took the offer and called Vince at the arena the day of a TV (Raw or Smackdown, can't remember) and told him over the phone. He only left because Vince refused to jack up his wages to compensate for dumping the Smackdown booking on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest vicvenomjr Report post Posted November 21, 2003 First post and great site.... Is it me or did Russo basically create Trips, Austin, Rock, Foley and Kane as main eventers? When before they were listless midcarders. Also wasn't Russo the major booking force for Austin 3:16 and DX, the two biggest merchandise sellers of all-time in the rassling industry? Outside of the crash and burn NWO. Didn't he create Benoit, Steiner, and Booker as main eventers and try to push young rasslers rather than the old that was destroying WCW? Didn't he move TNA from a boring program, except the X-Division, to a show that picked up a lot of steam real fast about a year ago and continued to have it up until this Hogan fiasco? Not trying to be wise, just curious. Because this is the first board I've ever gone to where there has been any support for Russo, showing that you all are rational. For the life of me, it boggles my mind how people continue to criticize this guy even though he basically wrote the shows that made rassling cool again (crash and burn NWO aside) and made WWF a billion dollar corporation. What has Russo done wrong? Clear cut examples have never been provided to me. In regards to something earlier, the reason that 2000 was a big year without Russo in the WWF was because the stars he created fully evolved in the public's eye. There was nothing really new developed by the Helmsley-McMahon era outside of Angle being pushed to the moon. If I'm wrong that's fine, but I really don't see one thing that Russo has done wrong to be so blindly hated by the IWC. Thanks for the vine and with all due respect.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 21, 2003 You know, if people didn't flame the shit out of me on a daily basis, I'd probably write as clearly as that. Welcome to The Funhouse Vicve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest vicvenomjr Report post Posted November 22, 2003 Thanks for the invite... With all due respect to the board, I just never get an answer to that question. What has Russo done wrong? All I get is the recycled riffraff and then flame throwing when I provide logical, unemotional answers. Want examples..... http://www.crazymax.org/viewtopic.php?t=16930 http://pub156.ezboard.com/fbarnettspainint...picID=581.topic I'm vicvenomjr and BD30 I mean to me it's obvious that your making good points when the flame throwing starts. With all due respect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 22, 2003 (edited) Oh thats cool man, and I know what it's like. Go to the WrestlingClassics messageboards, and meet people who refuse to watch eith the WWE or TNA, because of Russo. 8.4 Kids, just remember that.....and come back to me when your precious Dutch Mantell touches that. Edited November 22, 2003 by Dave O'Neill, Journalist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted November 22, 2003 http://www.crazymax.org/viewtopic.php?t=16930 http://pub156.ezboard.com/fbarnettspainint...picID=581.topic And I say to these idiots 8.4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2003 I have noticed that shows havent been as good since Russo left. Dutch's shows have been average. I get this week's show tomorrow though, and it's supposedly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
