Trish/Jerich & Xitan/Lita

[Downhome 0]

Ugh.

 

The fans FUCKING HATE STEPH.

 

Trish is so over with the fans, just like Stacey, SHE would be the source for all of the face heat. My belief is that a super over female should not get with ANY male wrestler, they shouldn't be used to TRY to get any wrestler over, as it fucks everything up once they break apart.

 

Just look at all of the instances of this happening in the past.

 

Jericho doesn't need anything like that, he deserves to be able to go out there and get over on his own.

 

Besides, when you put the gals from the women's division in there with the men, and they get the shit kicked out of them in mix tag matches and the such, it just helps to KILL any credibility that their division has. It makes them look weak as hell, and that shouldn't be done either.

 

The point, is that gals like Trish, Lita, etc... are just too damn over to JUST be a valet, it doesn't work and in the long run only hurts some of those involved.

[Downhome 0]

It all depends on how it was booked frankly. If they booked it as Chris Jericho and his woman, fine. But the WWE would probably sell it as "Chris Jericho AND 2 HUGE TITS! BIG TITS! TRISH HAS BIG TITS AND IF YOU WAIT FOR CHRIS JERICHO TO COME OUT YOU WILL SEE THEM!" which is what they did with Terri Runnels and anyone she has ever managed essentially.

That's stupid. Why would Trish just be 'his woman' when she is the biggest female wrestler they have?

MY POINT EXACTLY.

 

Thank you.

 

She's much too big to just go and be a valet now. Anyone she's with, she'll the the source of heat for whoever it is, it wont be THEIR getting over, it'll just be their feeding off of her, and I hate when they do that...it hurts everyone.

 

Also, as I said in my previous post, it makes the women's division look like crap when they get tossed around like nothing at all by the men. They should stick to their division if they are going to HAVE their division.

[Guest Askewniverse]

::waves hands in air to be noticed::

 

Are Christian, Jericho and Hardy all going to be left off Armeggedon?

Maybe. There's still an episode of Raw left before the PPV, so they'll probably stick them in a match at the last minute. I'm guessing that Jericho and Christian will be added to the Tag Team Turmoil Match, while Matt will be stuck on Heat against either Tommy Dreamer or Maven.

[2GOLD 0]

I'm just pissed cause it was just one big waste of time. Jericho couldn't become more of a heel and all they did was run an angle that goes nowhere since you have no one to go after Jericho and Christian except maybe Rosey and Hurricane.

 

It was a waste of time is all that pissed me off and couldn't have been more cliche if they had tried. They couldn't find an original way to end the angle just like they couldn't find an intelligent way to bring back Austin.

 

It's almost insulting that writers who can't write worth a damn have jobs.

[Guest Coffey]

The fans didn't used to hate Steph. Everyone wanted Steph & Angle to get together. They didn't. People were pissed.

 

Has this storyline played out as long as that one did, I'm pretty sure more people would be pissed than there are right now. It just didn't last long enough to matter.

 

Raw has enough heels. They need a good top face that can talk. Jericho brings that to the table. Him being with Trish could also help elevate the women's division.

 

I don't see the problem. I'm not saying to make Trish as a valet only. I'm saying her & Jericho could be successful together.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

Well however she is booked, she's still gonna be seen as a pair of tits who occasionaly does some things in the ring. The crowd is always gonna like her and maybe not mind Jericho as a result, but they're not gonna really be drastically into the guy. At best he'd get "He's fucking Trish, so I will cheer him" but during an actual match, they're not gonna give him anything IMO.

 

I agree on the idea of her being too big for the valet position as well, but I don't think she is popular like say an RVD is. People like RVD. I wouldn't be that surprised if most liked Trish just because she thought she was hot and thats it. I just don't think it's the type of heat you need accompanying you to the ring when you're at Jericho's level.

[AndrewTS 0]

There is one thing I don't get. Why are there so many goddamn heels on Raw now? You got HHH, Kane, Batista, Orton, Hardy, Henry, and now Christian and Jericho again. And who are the faces? Goldberg, Micheals, RVD, uh Booker? Seems a little unbalanced. Why do I get the feeling that this angle isn't done and with more swerving, Jericho will end up a face?

You forgot also:

 

Heels:

 

La Res

Test/Steiner

Molly

Coach/Snow

Bischoff

Rico w/ Gayda

Victoria w/ Stevie

 

Faces:

 

Dudleys

Trish

Lita

Foley

Lawler/JR

Storm

Mor--er, Venis

Hurricane

Rosey

Jindrak/Cade

and soon...Austin

[Downhome 0]

Just keep the women who wrestle...in their division, please. It just works out better that way for everyone.

 

If they want someone with Jericho, have it be a valet, not a super over chick like Trish or Lita.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Just keep the women who wrestle...in their division, please. It just works out better that way for everyone.

 

If they want someone with Jericho, have it be a valet, not a super over chick like Trish or Lita.

You forgot to mention "and not Stephanie McMahon like in early 2002."

 

Just wanted to remind you of that.

[CanadianChick 0]

My main question out of all of this is how are they going to have so many upper heels without upper faces? I love Jericho as a heel, but what's the point if he does dick shit and not even make the PPV, or have a meaningful match at the PPV?

[Downhome 0]

Just keep the women who wrestle...in their division, please. It just works out better that way for everyone.

 

If they want someone with Jericho, have it be a valet, not a super over chick like Trish or Lita.

You forgot to mention "and not Stephanie McMahon like in early 2002."

 

Just wanted to remind you of that.

Thanks a lot.

 

I'm against ANYONE being paired up with a wrestler, who is more over than they are or who gets the focus more than the said wrestler.

 

I think that's part of the reason that they never had Flair or Anderson manage someone like a Benoit or the such in WWE, like so many here seemed to want for so long.

 

I want a valet like Sensational Sherri and Miss Elizabeth, gals who can do their role but not be the center of everything...not be the focus. I thought Terri did a great job with Goldust, they were perfect with one another...for various reasons.

 

Richards is also a pretty good valet for Victoria.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

My angle was SOOOO much better than this

[Downhome 0]

My main question out of all of this is how are they going to have so many upper heels without upper faces? I love Jericho as a heel, but what's the point if he does dick shit and not even make the PPV, or have a meaningful match at the PPV?

I think you're jumping to conclusions. I don't see them leaving Jericho and Hardy off of the PPV. I don't know who they'll wrestle, but I'm looking for some sort of tag or six man match.

 

Or, God help us, a mix-tag match of some sort at the PPV.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

^^^^^^^

Then what's the explaination for a guy like DiBiase managing slugs like Kama, the out-of-date Volkoff, Tatanka, Bigelow, and Sid?

 

He was WAY more over than ANY of them...

[Downhome 0]

^^^^^^^

Then what's the explaination for a guy like DiBiase managing slugs like Kama, the out-of-date Volkoff, Tatanka, Bigelow, and Sid?

 

He was WAY more over than ANY of them...

You got me, I never understood that myself.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Because at the time, Ted couldn't wrestle, but his gimmick was PERFECT for a manager, and he could cut promos for his guys to try and get them over.

 

Because that's what a good manager does - gets their charges over.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

Yeah, Dibiase actually did a very good job of putting the focus on his guys and not himself. He just got stuck trying to get some of the most worthless names in the business over and as a result, didn't have much success.

[Guest Max Peter David]

Trish breaks it off with Jericho, tells Lita what's going on. Lita doesn't believe it, says Trish is jealous. Setting up... uh I honestly don't know, but that's what I'm goin with.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

Well as long as at some point, Chris Jericho Walls Of Jerichos Trish into oblivion, it will be a good thing.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Yeah, Dibiase actually did a very good job of putting the focus on his guys and not himself. He just got stuck trying to get some of the most worthless names in the business over and as a result, didn't have much success.

And the one guy who WAS a major success that he managed...became one without him.

 

I think you know who I mean.

[AndrewTS 0]

Is it just me, or do managers--male or female--just simply not work anymore? Long's been doing a good job in my opinion, but D'Lo was almost completely heatless, Mack was heatless, and Henry is heatless (although it's hard to do much with the latter two). Sunny was great on the mic and worked well as a manager pre-WWF, but when she came to the WWF she just overshadowed everyone she managed. The Hardyz got over by themselves so Lita's presence is negligible.

 

Heyman with Brock seemed to work well, but other than that I can't think of much else that worked.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Jericho and Christian should hang out with 2 new ladies - Molly and Gail maybe? Or they could bring up one of their bimbos from OVW and that would be a good way to debut here - as Jerichos lady-friend. That's automatic heat and sets up a feud with Trish - they could take that all the way to mania if they want.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Is it just me, or do managers--male or female--just simply not work anymore? Long's been doing a good job in my opinion, but D'Lo was almost completely heatless, Mack was heatless, and Henry is heatless (although it's hard to do much with the latter two). Sunny was great on the mic and worked well as a manager pre-WWF, but when she came to the WWF she just overshadowed everyone she managed. The Hardyz got over by themselves so Lita's presence is negligible.

 

Heyman with Brock seemed to work well, but other than that I can't think of much else that worked.

I don't think they really try as hard as they could with managers nowadays. Only Heyman's efforts really worked. Long, if he had more to work with, would probably work better too.

 

And almost all the time, female valets will overshadow male wrestlers. Liz, Sapphire, and SHerri were the only 3 exceptions I can think of.

[Downhome 0]

Heyman with Brock seemed to work well, but other than that I can't think of much else that worked.

The problem isn't with the concept of a manager/valet, the problem is that WWE has had trouble finding the right pairing of guys/gals to make it really work.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

Well I think the biggest problem is that everyone wants to be a star, so as a result, you have managers not necessarily trying to get their talent over and instead getting themselves over.

 

Teddy Long still does a good job though because whenever he talks, he is usually speaking on the abilities of his guys and not talking about himself much. Thats pretty solid managing IMO.

[AndrewTS 0]

Jericho and Christian should hang out with 2 new ladies - Molly and Gail maybe? Or they could bring up one of their bimbos from OVW and that would be a good way to debut here - as Jerichos lady-friend. That's automatic heat and sets up a feud with Trish - they could take that all the way to mania if they want.

Gail's out injured, and because it's a collarbone injury, I don't think she'd be able to be on TV a while. Besides, she's been lousy on the mic so far.

 

I think one of them dissed Molly tonight so I think she's out.

 

In which case, PLEASE no more talentless valets.

[Downhome 0]

And almost all the time, female valets will overshadow male wrestlers. Liz, Sapphire, and SHerri were the only 3 exceptions I can think of.

They would still work in this day and age, if they didn't focus so much on the valets as the core of the angles and the such, and if they weren't wrestlers.

 

I could see Stacey as a great valet, as long as they took the focus off of her. I don't know if she could just become any ol' valet now though, after how they've treated her. I think Gayda could be pretty good as long as they don't put too much more of a focus on her.

 

Gals like Torrie, Trish, Lita...I don't see how any of them can be succesfull valets ever again though, they are just too big now.

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

And almost all the time, female valets will overshadow male wrestlers. Liz, Sapphire, and SHerri were the only 3 exceptions I can think of.

 

Don't forget Lita. Cause how many times would the Hardyz be wrestling a match and all the fans do is chant for LITA? Lots of times.

[Downhome 0]

I think Arn Anderson could be a hell of a manager for a more major guy, as long as they kept the main focus on whoever he's paired with.

 

I still want them to bring in someone like Jeff G. Bailey.

[AndrewTS 0]

Heyman with Brock seemed to work well, but other than that I can't think of much else that worked.

The problem isn't with the concept of a manager/valet, the problem is that WWE has had trouble finding the right pairing of guys/gals to make it really work.

Well, the point of a manager to me always seemed to have someone do the talking for a wrestler whose character prevented that, or who wasn't any good on the mic.

 

However, what happens these days is usually the guys that get managers or valets are wrestlers who could not get over by themselves despite constant pushing: Henry, Test, Gunn.