The OAO NHL 2003-2004 Season Thread

[Guest AllCanadian]

but Moore broke the unwritten rule that you don't injure other teams stars with a lunging elbow then not answer the bell when your time has come to back it up.

 

Moore, COL, major (fighting), 6:36; Cooke, VAN, major (fighting), 6:36.

 

 

 

Looks like he answered the bell to me. Bertuzzi apparently didn't think that a checking center fighting a goon did it well enough. Moore's hit was an accident, Naslund didn't have a problem with the hit:

Is Matt Cooke who you're refering to as the goon in this statement?? Do you even follow hockey?? Apparantly Moore also had a vicous hit from behind on another star in the NHL Martin St. Louis earlier this year. I'm starting to feel less and less sympathy for this kid. Now if only someone will take Marchment out once and for all in the playoffs I will be one happy hockey fan.

[Red Baron 0]

didn't Dale Hunter ruin two hockey careers from hit from behind hits?

[starvenger 0]

but Moore broke the unwritten rule that you don't injure other teams stars with a lunging elbow then not answer the bell when your time has come to back it up.

 

Moore, COL, major (fighting), 6:36; Cooke, VAN, major (fighting), 6:36.

 

 

 

Looks like he answered the bell to me. Bertuzzi apparently didn't think that a checking center fighting a goon did it well enough. Moore's hit was an accident, Naslund didn't have a problem with the hit:

Is Matt Cooke who you're refering to as the goon in this statement?? Do you even follow hockey?? Apparantly Moore also had a vicous hit from behind on another star in the NHL Martin St. Louis earlier this year. I'm starting to feel less and less sympathy for this kid. Now if only someone will take Marchment out once and for all in the playoffs I will be one happy hockey fan.

Given the trades the Leafs have done there's a chance that Marchment might not PLAY in theplayoffs. Not that I'm complaining. The playoffs are no place for idiots like Marchment or Domi, and not having them play (much) will only help the Leafs.

[Red Baron 0]

but Moore broke the unwritten rule that you don't injure other teams stars with a lunging elbow then not answer the bell when your time has come to back it up.

 

Moore, COL, major (fighting), 6:36; Cooke, VAN, major (fighting), 6:36.

 

 

 

Looks like he answered the bell to me. Bertuzzi apparently didn't think that a checking center fighting a goon did it well enough. Moore's hit was an accident, Naslund didn't have a problem with the hit:

Is Matt Cooke who you're refering to as the goon in this statement?? Do you even follow hockey?? Apparantly Moore also had a vicous hit from behind on another star in the NHL Martin St. Louis earlier this year. I'm starting to feel less and less sympathy for this kid. Now if only someone will take Marchment out once and for all in the playoffs I will be one happy hockey fan.

Given the trades the Leafs have done there's a chance that Marchment might not PLAY in theplayoffs. Not that I'm complaining. The playoffs are no place for idiots like Marchment or Domi, and not having them play (much) will only help the Leafs.

With the average age being the last time the Leafs won a cup, I don't think they can get past the first round without oxygen masks on the bench.

[Guest AllCanadian]

but Moore broke the unwritten rule that you don't injure other teams stars with a lunging elbow then not answer the bell when your time has come to back it up.

 

Moore, COL, major (fighting), 6:36; Cooke, VAN, major (fighting), 6:36.

 

 

 

Looks like he answered the bell to me. Bertuzzi apparently didn't think that a checking center fighting a goon did it well enough. Moore's hit was an accident, Naslund didn't have a problem with the hit:

Is Matt Cooke who you're refering to as the goon in this statement?? Do you even follow hockey?? Apparantly Moore also had a vicous hit from behind on another star in the NHL Martin St. Louis earlier this year. I'm starting to feel less and less sympathy for this kid. Now if only someone will take Marchment out once and for all in the playoffs I will be one happy hockey fan.

Given the trades the Leafs have done there's a chance that Marchment might not PLAY in theplayoffs. Not that I'm complaining. The playoffs are no place for idiots like Marchment or Domi, and not having them play (much) will only help the Leafs.

Marchment added another notch to his belt with his vicious hit from behind Tuesday apparantly the guy broke his colar bone. He's going to get his and I personally won't feel a ounce of sympathy.

[treble 0]

Hey, Marchment's a dirty player, but I'm hoping he plays in the playoffs, if only because other teams are scared of him. I don't agree with the way he plays most of the time, but he just has to be on the ice and players keep their heads up when they're crossing the blue line.

[Red Baron 0]

Hey, Marchment's a dirty player, but I'm hoping he plays in the playoffs, if only because other teams are scared of him. I don't agree with the way he plays most of the time, but he just has to be on the ice and players keep their heads up when they're crossing the blue line.

and watch out for his knees, and Tucker leaps, and Domi boneheadness, and Berg will likely to cough up the puck most of the time.

 

 

Oh you don't have to worry about Antropov, Reichel, Renberg, because they'll be somewhere hiding.

[treble 0]

So, you don't want the Leafs to be dirty, but you're mocking their players that don't get involved in the rough stuff?

 

Anyway, the whole age thing is blown out of proportion, too. The Wings won the Cup 2 years ago as the oldest team in the league and even though they lost in the 1st round last year, it wasn't because of their age.

[Red Baron 0]

So, you don't want the Leafs to be dirty, but you're mocking their players that don't get involved in the rough stuff?

 

Anyway, the whole age thing is blown out of proportion, too. The Wings won the Cup 2 years ago as the oldest team in the league and even though they lost in the 1st round last year, it wasn't because of their age.

The major difference between Detroit and Toronto is their 3rd and 4th line.

 

Toronto should beat Phili, and there was no excuse.

 

at least Detroit got stopped by a red-hot goaltender.

[Guest AllCanadian]

Belfour will pull his groin or have a back spasm in the pre-game skate somewhere in the playoffs and the Leaf's playoff run will just be another joke. If any team from Canada is going to make it to the finals it's the Sens.

[MrRant 0]

How do you feel about this article by Jim Kelly on ESPN.com blaming Canada?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor..._jim&id=1757143

[treble 0]

So, you don't want the Leafs to be dirty, but you're mocking their players that don't get involved in the rough stuff?

 

Anyway, the whole age thing is blown out of proportion, too.  The Wings won the Cup 2 years ago as the oldest team in the league and even though they lost in the 1st round last year, it wasn't because of their age.

The major difference between Detroit and Toronto is their 3rd and 4th line.

 

Toronto should beat Phili, and there was no excuse.

 

at least Detroit got stopped by a red-hot goaltender.

The Leafs lost last year because Belfour let in 2 soft goals in regulation in game 4 (the 3 OT game) and the team didn't bail him out after he played his ass off the rest of the game and then the whole team played like shit in game 7.

 

They probably should have beaten Philly, but it's not like they were beaten by an inferior team. A few bounces go their way early in the series and game 7 may not even be needed.

 

Whoever comes out of the East this year is going to have to be good as well as incredibly lucky. Toronto's going to have to avoid Philly, Ottawa's going to have to avoid Toronto, Philly's going to want to avoid Ottawa, Tampa's going to have to hope that the other teams beat each other up before they get to them, Boston's going to need Raycroft to be this year's Giguere, and Montreal and the Isles (if they hold on) are going to have to hope that they catch their opponent in a funk. Jersey's probably the best team in the bunch, but they're going to need Stevens to be healthy.

 

And, I'm rambling.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Ulfie should have been suspended for life for taking out Cam Neely (which I'm sure the Pooh Bear fans will stupidly agree with).

 

 

the total suspension will be less than 20 games, and thus would be shorter than the last few 'big' suspensions.

 

Umm, what last few big suspensions are you talking about that 20 games would be shorter than?

 

An instigator penalty, and the Avs powerplay that would come with it could have proved costly not only in the game but also in the season for the Canucks.

 

Without the instigator rule, the Canucks could have thrown Wade Brookbank over the boards to beat the shit out of Moore. The incident would have ended that night and none of this ugliness would have occured.

 

First of all, screw you for the completely irrelevant comment about Bruins fans "stupidly agree"ing with your statement of suspending Ulfie for life. I'm one of the few Bruins fans that post on this board, & I don't remember me (or anyone else) saying anything along those lines. So to throw that in was stupid and pointless.

 

And regarding the less than 20 games remark, if you re-read what I wrote, it was that the 13 regular season games plus anything less than 7 postseason games would be a suspension lasting for a duration of less than 20 games, which would be less than the 23 that McSorley orginally got, the 23 that Gordie Dwyer got, the 21 that Pierre Turgeon got, and the 20 that Brad May got. The league has set the precedent of at least 20 for an incident like this, so if Bertuzzi got away with only missing 17games (13 regular season plus a 4 game sweep in the playoffs, for example) than it would be less than the recent trend.

 

Lastly, I find your assessment that the 'Nucks sending out Brookbank to "to beat the shit out of Moore" and that this would have ended the "ugliness" is laughably absurd. You really don't think that the Avs would have then sent out Worrell to fight Brookbank, or another player on Vancouver? Were you living under a rock when the Avalanche-Red Wing war raged for multiple games over multiple seasons? Yes, it would have been preferable for the Canucks to have the option of goon-ing it up that night compared to what Bertuzzi actually did (I agree with you when you say that the instigator penalty is hurting the league) it's a fucking joke if you think that Brookbank pummeling Moore would have ended the drama.

[CanadianChris 0]

Jersey's probably the best team in the bunch, but they're going to need Stevens to be healthy.

You can't be serious. Jersey's nowhere near where they were last year. Philly would beat the snot out of them.

[CanadianChris 0]

How do you feel about this article by Jim Kelly on ESPN.com blaming Canada?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor..._jim&id=1757143

He's an idiot. Of course the majority of these incidents were perpetrated by Canadians...CANADIANS MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE LEAGUE!!!!!!!

 

Dumbass.

[nl5xsk1 0]

How do you feel about this article by Jim Kelly on ESPN.com blaming Canada?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor..._jim&id=1757143

He's an idiot. Of course the majority of these incidents were perpetrated by Canadians...CANADIANS MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE LEAGUE!!!!!!!

 

Dumbass.

You said exactly what I was thinking ... that's like saying that American culture is to blame for steroids in baseball (I mean, almost every player accused of being on the roids is American). Such a stupid article, I'm stunned that espn allowed it to go online.

[Guest AllCanadian]

How do you feel about this article by Jim Kelly on ESPN.com blaming Canada?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor..._jim&id=1757143

Is this the same idiot who said anything less than a year for Bertuzzi would make the NHL a joke.

 

Also a question I don't ever go the ESPN.com just because I have the TSN and Sportsnet pages right here but does this clown usually right about hockey for this site or is he just trying to make a career by jumping on the "Bertuzzi Bandwagon'??

[nl5xsk1 0]

Sadly, Jim Kelley always writes about hockey. He just does a really bad job of it. ESPN has among the worst hockey coverage going, as cnnsi and the Sporting News both bring more to the table, and obviously the Hockey News and tsn.ca are the best.

[treble 0]

Jersey's probably the best team in the bunch, but they're going to need Stevens to be healthy.

You can't be serious. Jersey's nowhere near where they were last year. Philly would beat the snot out of them.

I don't know. I'd really rather not have to face Jersey in the playoffs if they're all healthy. They always seem to be especially dangerous when no one's expecting them to do much, and because of their lacklustre season so far, expectations are probably low.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Jersey's probably the best team in the bunch, but they're going to need Stevens to be healthy.

You can't be serious. Jersey's nowhere near where they were last year. Philly would beat the snot out of them.

I don't know. I'd really rather not have to face Jersey in the playoffs if they're all healthy. They always seem to be especially dangerous when no one's expecting them to do much, and because of their lacklustre season so far, expectations are probably low.

The only reason that I'd give the edge to Jersey is because of goaltending. Brodeur can steal a series, whereas I can't see either Esche or Burke singlehandedly carrying the Flyers for too long.

 

More than any season in recent memory, this postseason will be unpredictable, and most of the questions are related to the netminders (e.g. can Belfour stay healthy? Can Theodore play as well as he did 2 postseasons ago? Can Raycroft play as well in the playoffs as he has in the regular season? Will Khabibulin have a better playoffs than he did last year, or will TB need Grahame to come in and save the day? Will Ottawa live to regret not picking up another, more playoff tested goalie?)

[The Czech Republic 0]

Whoever comes out of the East this year is going to have to be good as well as incredibly lucky. Toronto's going to have to avoid Philly, Ottawa's going to have to avoid Toronto, Philly's going to want to avoid Ottawa, Tampa's going to have to hope that the other teams beat each other up before they get to them, Boston's going to need Raycroft to be this year's Giguere, and Montreal and the Isles (if they hold on) are going to have to hope that they catch their opponent in a funk. Jersey's probably the best team in the bunch, but they're going to need Stevens to be healthy.

 

And, I'm rambling.

No way is Jersey the best team. I can guarantee that if they get the Senators anywhere along the way the Devils are toast. Toronto will blow itself out in a first round against Boston or Philly and if they make it to round 2 they'll be too blown out. Tampa Bay will make the second round but lose to a lower team like a Montreal, who will do very very well, I feel. Only the Islanders are a non-factor.

[CanadianChris 0]

Well, this was nice to see, anyway. From ESPN.com...

 

DETROIT -- Red Wings goaltender Dominik Hasek has refused to accept about $3 million of his salary because he is out with a groin injury.

 

Hasek, who announced Feb. 10 that he would miss the remainder of the season with the injury, has not accepted pay since Jan. 9, general manager Ken Holland said Friday.

 

That was the day Hasek and the team agreed the goaltender should rest the injured groin for two to four weeks.

 

Hasek tested out the groin in early February, but later said he could no longer play this season. The nagging groin injury has limited him to 14 games since he came out of a one-year retirement.

 

"He just felt that he wasn't doing what he really had set out to do, which is to play hockey and play at a high level," Holland said. "At that time, he told me that he did not want to receive any further salary until he was ready to play."

 

By Jan. 9, Hasek had received a little more than $3 million of his $6 million salary for the season.

 

"I think it's an unbelievable gesture," Holland said.

 

One of the NHL's greatest goalies, Hasek won two MVP awards and six Vezina Trophies, given to the league's top goalie, during a nine-year stint in Buffalo. He also led the Czech Republic to a gold medal in the 1998 Nagano Olympics.

 

Hasek joined the Red Wings before the 2001-02 season, winning his first Stanley Cup that season. He retired in 2002, but came back to Detroit before this season.

[Red Baron 0]

Habs with the victory over the Leafs tonight 4-3.

[treble 0]

Holy fuck, Montreal and Toronto need to play each other in the playoffs(despite how tonight's game ended).

[Dogbert 0]

Why would Montreal have to catch their opponents in a funk? They're 38-26-6-3, and have 85 points, which isn't far off of the top of the conference.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Well, this was nice to see, anyway.  From ESPN.com...

 

DETROIT -- Red Wings goaltender Dominik Hasek has refused to accept about $3 million of his salary because he is out with a groin injury.

 

Hasek tested out the groin in early February, but later said he could no longer play this season. The nagging groin injury has limited him to 14 games since he came out of a one-year retirement.

 

By Jan. 9, Hasek had received a little more than $3 million of his $6 million salary for the season.

So he got paid a little over $3 million for 14 games. That comes out to just under a quarter of a million dollars an hour. Not even the most diligent Little Casesar's delivery boy is gonna pull that off.

 

How about Detroit pays him none of his $6,000,000 after this "injury" of his? Since he pulled this bullshit, not a muscle, in the past, I think the Red Wings should call it a breach of contract and take it all back.

[MrRant 0]

I wish hockey didn't have ties and crap.

 

It makes it hard to picture a team with 30ish wins being in the playoffs when it's an 82 game season.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I don't know if anyone hear got to watch yesterday's Bruins-Sabres matinee, but it was as close to an old-school, Adams Division hockey game as I've seen in years. Huge hits, a great fight between Boynton and Kalinin, great saves, and back-to-back odd man rushes in the last 15 seconds of OT, with the game winner coming with less than 4 seconds left. Unbelievably good hockey, yet ESPN would rather focus on shit like the Bertuzzi incident, compared to showing how awesome the sport of hockey really is.

 

And today's playoff matchup update is as follows:

EAST

Tampa-Isles

Philly-Jersey

Boston-Montreal

Ottawa-Toronto

 

WEST

Detroit-St Louis

Colorado-Nashville

San Jose-Calgary

Vancouver-Dallas

 

And I know that I'm biased, but doesn't the Eastern matchups just seem more exciting than the Western ones? With the exception of the TB-NYI matchup, the rest of the East is filled with rivalries; the West has nothing that can compare this year, with maybe Detroit-St Louis being the closest.

[CanadianChris 0]

And I know that I'm biased, but doesn't the Eastern matchups just seem more exciting than the Western ones? With the exception of the TB-NYI matchup, the rest of the East is filled with rivalries; the West has nothing that can compare this year, with maybe Detroit-St Louis being the closest.

That's because the East is far deeper than the West, in terms of good teams with some history. The big rivalry series out west won't start until the conference semis.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Wild hockey game between Toronto and Buffalo...Toronto came back from down 5-2 in the third to tie it with a little over 30 seconds left and we head to OT.

 

Of course...it would have been on ESPN...but the masses voted for New Jersey/New York.