AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Because I don't feel like writing the whole list, I'll put up one hundred every couple of days. To make a long story short, this list comes from a book by Marvin Popoff, who compiled it after compiling fans and musicians top ten lists. So here it is, Nos. 500 through 401. 500. "Astronomy" by Blue Öyster Cult 499. "Powertrip" by Monster Magnet 498. "Bomber" by Motörhead 497. "Wait and Bleed" by Slipknot 496. "Over My Head by King's X 495. "Thus Spoke the Nightspirit" by Emperor 494. "Green Machine" by Kyuss 493. "Gangland" by Tygers of Pan Tang 492. "Metal on Metal" by Anvil 491. "Thunder and Lightning" by Thin Lizzy 490. "Stormbringer" by Deep Purple 489. "Bad Company" by Bad Company 488. "Carry on Wayward Son" by Kansas 487. "Black Winter Day" by Amorphis 486. "Breadfan" by Budgie 485. "The Mirror" by Dream Theater 484. "All Right Now" by Free 483. "Nothing Else Matters" by Metallica 482. "Lack of Communication" by Ratt 481. "At the Gates" by Suicide Nation 480. "Spiral Architect" by Black Sabbath 479. "Tarot Woman" by Rainbow 478. "Shoot to Thrill" by AC/DC 477. "Still Life" by Iron Maiden 476. "Ride the Sky" by Lucifer's Friend 475. "Revolution is My Name" by Pantera 474. "Mean Man" by W.A.S.P. 473. "Madhouse" by Anthrax 472. "She" by Kiss 471. "The Thing That Should Not Be" by Metallica 470. "And the Cradle Will Rock..." by Van Halen 469. "The Idol" by W.A.S.P. 468. "Walk All Over You" by AC/DC 467. "Rats in the Cellar" by Aerosmith 466. "Creatures of the Night" by Kiss 465. "Countdown to Extinction" by Megadeth 464. "Rock the Nation" by Montrose 463. "La Villa Strangiato" by Rush 462. "Genocide" by Judas Priest 461. "Slave to the Grind" by Skid Row 460. "At Dawn They Sleep" by Slayer 459. "Kiss of Death" by Dokken 458. "Beneath the Remains" by Sepultura 457. "Rosin Dubh (Black Rose) A Rock Legend" by Thin Lizzy 456. "Rapid Fire" by Judas Priest 455. "I Was Made for Loving You" by Kiss 454. "Girls, Girls, Girls" by Mötley Crüe 453. "Back in the Saddle" by Aerosmith 452. "A Sorceror's Pledge" by Candlemass 451. "The Final Countdown" by Europe 450. "Silent Screams" by Halford 449. "War Machine" by Kiss 448. "Suffer the Children" by Napalm Death 447. "No Love Lost" by Carcass 446. "Low" by Testament 445. "Gypsy Road" by Cinderella 444. "Black Night" by Deep Purple 443. "Power of the Night" by Savatage 442. "Say What You Will" by Fastway 441. "Demanufacture" by Fear Factory 440. "To Live is to Die" by Metallica 439. "Pull the Plug" by Death 438. "S.A.T.O." by Ozzy Osbourne 437. "You Can't Stop Rock 'N' Roll" by Twisted Sister 436. "Too Hot to Handle" by UFO 435. "Mr. Brownstone" by Guns N' Roses 434. "Children of the Damned" by Iron Maiden 433. "In My World" by Anthrax 432. "Bring the Noise" by Anthrax 431. "Dethroned Emperor" by Celtic Frost 430. "Can I Play with Madness" by Iron Maiden 429. "Anthem to the Estranged" by Metal Church 428. "Man in the Box" by Alice in Chains 427. "Surprise! You're Dead!" by Faith No More 426. "The Oath" by Mercyful Fate 425. "Attitude" by Sepultura 424. "Sex Type Thing" by Stone Temple Pilots 423. "Can You Deliver" by Armored Saint 422. "God of Wrath" by Metal Church 421. "Monkey Business" by Skid Row 420. "In League with Satan" by Venom 419. "Poison" by Alice Cooper 418. "Talk Dirty to Me" by Poison 417. "Rusty Cage" by Soundgarden 416. "Witchfinder General" by Witchfinder General 415. "Sacrificial Suicide" by Deicide 414. "Ogre Battle" by Queen 413. "Under the Blade" by Twisted Sister 412. "All Along the Watchtower" by Jimi Hendrix Experience 411. "Kickstart My Heart" by Mötley Crüe 410. "Assault Attack" by Michael Schenker Group 409. "The Wizard" by Uriah Heep 408. "I Don't Need No Doctor" by Humble Pie 407. "Zero the Hero" by Black Sabbath 406. "I Am the Black Wizards" by Emperor 405. "Love Bites" by Judas Priest 404. "Blood of My Enemies" by Manowar 403. "Hit the Lights" by Metallica 402. "Nightfall" by Blind Guardian 401. "Badlands" by Metal Church Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Ah, excellent. I've seen this book before, but I had never had the chance to read the whole thing. If memory serves, it ain't a bad list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BAR Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Nice to see Green Machine by Kyuss in there. It'll be interesting to see the full list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 500. "Astronomy" by Blue Öyster Cult 499. "Powertrip" by Monster Magnet 497. "Wait and Bleed" by Slipknot 494. "Green Machine" by Kyuss 491. "Thunder and Lightning" by Thin Lizzy 490. "Stormbringer" by Deep Purple 489. "Bad Company" by Bad Company 488. "Carry on Wayward Son" by Kansas 483. "Nothing Else Matters" by Metallica 482. "Lack of Communication" by Ratt 478. "Shoot to Thrill" by AC/DC 474. "Mean Man" by W.A.S.P. 472. "She" by Kiss 470. "And the Cradle Will Rock..." by Van Halen 469. "The Idol" by W.A.S.P. 468. "Walk All Over You" by AC/DC 467. "Rats in the Cellar" by Aerosmith 466. "Creatures of the Night" by Kiss 464. "Rock the Nation" by Montrose 463. "La Villa Strangiato" by Rush 461. "Slave to the Grind" by Skid Row 459. "Kiss of Death" by Dokken 457. "Rosin Dubh (Black Rose) A Rock Legend" by Thin Lizzy 455. "I Was Made for Loving You" by Kiss 454. "Girls, Girls, Girls" by Mötley Crüe 453. "Back in the Saddle" by Aerosmith 451. "The Final Countdown" by Europe 449. "War Machine" by Kiss 445. "Gypsy Road" by Cinderella 444. "Black Night" by Deep Purple 437. "You Can't Stop Rock 'N' Roll" by Twisted Sister 435. "Mr. Brownstone" by Guns N' Roses 428. "Man in the Box" by Alice in Chains 424. "Sex Type Thing" by Stone Temple Pilots 421. "Monkey Business" by Skid Row 419. "Poison" by Alice Cooper 418. "Talk Dirty to Me" by Poison 417. "Rusty Cage" by Soundgarden 414. "Ogre Battle" by Queen 413. "Under the Blade" by Twisted Sister 412. "All Along the Watchtower" by Jimi Hendrix Experience 411. "Kickstart My Heart" by Mötley Crüe Those are not metal songs, and many are not metal songs by bands that aren't metal. Also... 455. "I Was Made for Loving You" by Kiss IS A FUCKING DISCO SONG!!! KISS EVEN FUCKING SAYS IT'S A DISCO SONG!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Anytime a list gets past 100, it's pretty well arbitrary after that. Damn, I'm getting a headache looking at these things... call me when you post the 100-1 portion of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 it'll be easier to read if each position was spaced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 KANSAS?!?!?!? Who the hell threw that on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Honest question: Why isn't WASP metal? I mean, yeah, they're 80's cheese, but I dunno...they don't strike me as being so far off-base (like, say, Posion) as to totally throw them out of the genre. But then again, I really think you need to mellow out Laz. While you do have a point with some of those bands, you need to realize that most people don't care to draw a distinction between hard rock and heavy metal, so it all gets mushed together. Just...settle down, man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 but WASP sucks...and not even cheesy rock could save WASP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Yeah, after all "you" voted for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Being bad doesn't mean they're not metal, though. (I'll point this out before this goes further - I like some WASP.) And Benoitrulz makes a good point; This list is probably about an accurate of a list as you can get, on account of it's voted for by fans. And not a small number - doesn't the top song get like, 4,000-something votes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Honest question: Why isn't WASP metal? I mean, yeah, they're 80's cheese, but I dunno...they don't strike me as being so far off-base (like, say, Posion) as to totally throw them out of the genre. I think because most metal fans who grew up from that time would remember them for their first two albums and the hits that came off of those, which, while somewhat cheesy, were quite good to me. Blackie did make some more serious metal in the next couple followups before going back to fun metal. I suggest Headless Children and Crimson Idol, the latter being a concept album about a rocker's rise to and fall from fame, and I believe deeper down it's about the rise and fall of hair metal (was made in '92, just after the death of HM) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Because glam rock =/= metal. And if people can't tell the difference between hard rock and heavy metal, then they shouldn't even attempt at making a METAL list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Burrito Report post Posted December 10, 2003 Ugh, Slipknot is not heavy metal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Because glam rock =/= metal. Can you describe it better then that please? I'm not trying to be funny, I just want to know exactly why WASP isn't metal. Those terms are a little vauge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 W.A.S.P. is heavy metal, but not HEAVY metal, get it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 And me and Laz have argued about this before and came to the conclusion that we would argue forever on heavy/not heavy metal. Everyone has their own opinion, hell, there are some guys on the metal-rules board that don't consider muther fuckin Slayer heavy metal! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 I'd like to see their argument, considering Slayer is the band practically responsible for the US Thrash movement (at least the sloppier, more aggressive thrash bands). If they say "Angel Of Death" isn't practically THE metal song, then they're wankers. As for why I consider WASP to not be metal, the music. It's waaay too glam rock. Like, glam rock riffs are usually based on moderate distortion, AC/DC-style drumming (except for solo's), overly simplistic riffs based on rockabilly and blues riffs, and lyrics more about sex and drugs than anything else. I just don't see how one could listen to WASP and then, say, Diamond Head (same era) and call WASP metal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 And if people can't tell the difference between hard rock and heavy metal, then they shouldn't even attempt at making a METAL list. That is definitely a problem thanks to marketing executives liking to give everything cool names. I stick by the rule that if its underground it's metal. Once it gets processed up and melted down into commercialized form its hard rock. Another big problem is that a lot of bands that we are arguing over being heavy metal or not today were considered metal at one point in time. When people were calling Kiss and Motley Crue metal, I bet they never imagined anything that would sound like Messhugguh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 so is Megadeth hard rock because they are a multi-platinum band? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Stanley 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 I was made for lovin you is not metal. Creatures Of The Night & War Machine ARE metal, hell the entire Creatures album rocks. "She" ..well, good song but i don't know, kinda classic rock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slickster 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 465. "Countdown to Extinction" by Megadeth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 hell the entire Creatures album rocks. Oh hell yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 hell the entire Creatures album rocks. Oh hell yes Creatures is definitely one of the best Kiss albums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 That's fair Laz. Not that I fully agree with you, but I do see where you're coming from, and I know now that it wasn't the same baseless "they're not metal cuz I don't like 'em" viewpoint some people have. Though to be fair, I don't think you can say that since they don't sound like other metal bands, they're not metal. I mean, metal itself is such a wide genre that two metal bands could easily come out in the same year and be nothing alike, simply because they play two different styles of metal. And I don't think that being "underground" has anything to do with being metal. Iron Maiden's last CD went to #1 in a number of European countires. Does that mean they're not metal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 But every metal band sounds like another in an aspect. Each stage of the Metal Evolution has a direct link to the prior, which I will demonstrate. Heavy Metal Black Sabbath took blues licks and riffs, distorted them, and produced gloomy, heavy music. New Wave Of British Heavy Metal Bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motörhead, and Venom took the basics that Black Sabbath laid out, and modified them slightly. The music was, on average, more melodic, but was also faster and heavier. Thrash/Speed Metal US bands took lesser-known European metal acts (Diamond Head, Angel Witch {I believe, although I could be confusing this band with another similar band}, etc.) and combined their style of metal with US punk bands (mostly the speed, aggression, and simplicity) to create a faster, dirtier, heavier form of music. Metallica, Exodus, Slayer, Anthrax, and Megadeth are considered "The Big 5" of US thrash. Black Metal European metal bands took the NWOBHM sound, took the gloss off of it, and sped it up to create a poorly produced, atmospheric assault on the sense. Lyrics range from ancient wars to mythology to Satanism. Death Metal US thrash bands began making the music more aggressive, writing more "brutal" lyrics, the drumming picked up in its intensity, the level of distortion was increased, and the vocals were growled and snarled more often than they were sang. Over a relatively small amount of time, death metal became the most widespread form of metal, and still remains the most popular for newer bands to play and experiment with. Heavy begat NWOBHM. NWOBHM begat Thrash/Speed and Black. Thrash/Speed begat Death. And today, there are many classifications and sub-genre's of metal that have direct links to previous styles. Glam rock has more to do with the New York Dolls and Led Zeppelin than it does Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden. Nu-metal has more to do with Nirvana and Korn than it does with Slayer and Death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 That's not really what I meant though. What I was getting at, in my somewhat poorly-worded post, was that saying "WASP doesn't sound like Diamond Head, so they're not metal" is akin to saying "Iron Maiden doesn't sound like Death, so they're not metal". I just don't think "This band doesn't sound like this band" is a valid argument. If you take it out a step further (like you just did) then I'll buy it, but to simply state it the way you originally did doesn't seem to work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 I like Laz' family tree. It just makes me wonder why people called bands like Kiss, Wasp, Motley Crue metal in the past. And I don't think that being "underground" has anything to do with being metal. Iron Maiden's last CD went to #1 in a number of European countires. Does that mean they're not metal? Let me try to clarify my earlier point. I was talking more about the American scene, thanks to marketing from the major labels. They pretty much push any band that is louder than Weezer as being metal, as opposed to the guidelines that anyone in this thread use to consider something being metal. I guess it was more of an observation that most metal comes from underground (hehe...that sounds funny) or indie labels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 The way I originally stated it was a summarized version of the way I stated it in the Family Tree-style. WASP has no link to metal bands, thus I do not consider them metal. I will say, however, that glam rock/nu-metal do a damn good job, sometimes, of blurring the lines between what IS and ISN'T metal. Motley Crue are VERY borderline, and I would consider a few of their tunes to be metal songs. The band, overall, was not a metal band, however. Much like, say, Black Sabbath can do a folk-ish song ("Planet Caravan"), a non-metal band can do a metal song. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 And what have we learned today? Dom't summarize things to a stoner. Explain it in full, otherwise you might lose the poor kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
