MrRant 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 By Solarina Ho TORONTO (Reuters) - The camera cell phone, one of the hottest items on this year's Christmas gift list, is a growing privacy issue for both consumers and organizations. The phones, with their discreet lens, tiny size and ability to immediately transmit images onto the Internet or other cell phones, are a voyeur's dream. The phones first appeared on the market in early 2001, and for the last several months, media reports out of Asia have called attention to incidents such as nude photographs of unsuspecting victims turning up on the Internet. Their growing popularity in North America since their debut late last year has sparked similar concerns, prompting fitness centers across North America, from Los Angeles to Toronto, to begin banning or limiting cell phone use on their premises. With locations including Beverly Hills and New York, The Sports Club/LA -- one of the most luxurious fitness centers in the world -- was among the first to ban all cell phones in July, limiting their usage only to the lobby. Privacy is a priority for the center, whose high profile clientele include celebrities and other prominent figures, company spokesman Rebecca Harris explained. Other clubs have outright banned all cell phones because of the difficulty in distinguishing between regular cell phones and camera phones. But not all clubs are taking such a hard-line stance. In Calgary, where widespread bans and limitations drew media attention in Canada, the YWCA took a more moderate approach. COMMON CONCERNS IN CLUBS "Essentially we're basing it on the honor system, because we're not going to ask every single person who walks into the door, 'Do you have a camera cell phone?' and 'You need to check it,"' general manager Jan Bloemraad said. The clubs know that members rely on their phones to stay in contact with children or work, and to ban them outright would not be in the members' best interest. But clubs are keeping a close eye on what goes on in their gyms and say that members are happy they are taking action. At a number of gyms, it was recent inquiries by the media that prompted them to consider the issue, rather than any particular incident. "Certainly the media attention required us to be a little more forward in our approach," Jack Kinch, YMCA spokesman for the seven Greater Toronto Area centers, said. Concerns over camera phones have also seeped into businesses as companies fear corporate espionage. South Korea (news - web sites)-based Samsung Electronics and LG Electronics have reportedly banned visitors from carrying camera phones, according to South Korean domestic media. Concerns raised by the camera phones are unlikely to go away as technology improves and sales jump. The next generation of phones making their way onto Asian markets and trickling into North America are video cell phones, which have the ability to record 15 to 30 second clips. In North America, analysts project that camera phone sales will more than double next year, while the overall cell phone market will only see a small increase. Of the 90 million handsets sold in North America this year, camera phones made up 3.3 percent, or three million units. That's out of the 65 million camera phones sold worldwide, according to David Kerr, an executive with Strategy Analytics, a Boston-based consulting firm. South Korea, which has one of the world's highest concentrations of cell phone users, is already drafting regulations to protect consumer privacy. Beginning next year, new camera phones will be required to emit a loud sound whenever pictures or videos are taken. Still, the banning strategy may be an uphill fight, particularly with cameras and videos expected to be standard in half the cell phones available by 2008. "The evolution, the penetration, the spread of digital capture capabilities in phones is going to be so fast, so wide that it might be a losing battle ultimately," said analyst Alex Slawsby of IDC, a leading technology industry analysis firm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superstring 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 Don't forget how child pervs take them into swimming baths then take piccies while no-ones looking. What use are picture/video phones anyway? Apart from a way to get people to buy new mobiles then use them on novelty value for a month before just using them as normal phones. And then you get these problems with the grey coat brigade. How are they gonna police banning the phones? Its not like staff are gonna be able to watch everybody in the gyms, they've got y'know work to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 from what I have seen so far, the camera-phone is just a toy and has served no real use other then to say, "hey look, I can snap a photo with my phone" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 The quality on cell cam pics tends to be so shitty that it usually renders this discussion into a moot point, anyway. Most nudity tends to take place in darkness, and these cameras are useless in low-light situations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 The blatent exception is the YMCA locker rooms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stardust Report post Posted December 16, 2003 Even in a YMCA locker room the picture quality may not be all that great. Hell, with my digital camera it takes shitty pictures inside with every single light on, but outside it takes damned good pictures. I don't know how many megapixels the camera phones have, but my guess is that it's gonna be around 1 megapixel or less, therefore the best photo quality would be outdoors in natural light rather than indoors in artificial light. Then again, even a 35mm camera tends to take better photos in natural outdoor light rather than indoor artificial light. So, yeah, the photos could still be taken from the YMCA locker room, but odds are the quality wouldn't be that great, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 My friend and I were out going around DC on halloween and she was dressed as a (cold) hula girl with a coconut bra and grass skirt. People were taking her picture on the metro and all. I mean, thats just gross. At least ask. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stardust Report post Posted December 16, 2003 True, but most people probably aren't gonna think about carrying waivers and permission to photograph forms around with them, y'know. I'm not defending their actions, but I'm guessing some people were just like "Ooo, this is something to remember" one of those "Wow, I wish I had a camera" moments. But, yes, they should have at least asked her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 Yeah but these were 40+ greasy old men going the other way on the escalator. Not people she wanted taking pictures of her AT ALL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 bah, take away the camera phones and the perverts will just go back to sticking cameras in their shoes and hiding them in other places. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 Not only perverts can use these phones to their advantage. A buddy of mine got an early copy of an exam thanks so someone's camera-phone. I do feel that the phones should have to make a noise when a photo is taken though - It's not like that'd hurt anyone, and it could prevent potential mishaps and such. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anakin Flair 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2003 I wonder how this will be dealt with in casinos? No cameras allowed, but no rules against cell phones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites