Alright, What the Fuck

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

People had been turning on Rock for a few months though. But, we will see though. I just think the original comment was an attempt to be "smarkish." I could understand if people were actually cheering Brock or booing Holly now, but whatever, a smark never looks or observes before opening their trap. They just twist things until they are the way they see fit.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Holly has feud with Lesnar.

 

They fight.

 

Lesnar wins.

 

 

Where exactly is the problem?

 

A few more months with Lesnar holding the belt won't hurt Benoit, as long as he gets some important wins between now and then. The Lesnar they've got now is a solid character, most it built on the fact he's a 'great champion', yet he could be a lot better if he didn't cheat. Keeping the belt on him will only help.

 

Lesnar gets a win over Holly, destorying him in the process...it just makes him long stronger, if they book it right. Have him win by submission. Perfect.

[ISportsFan 0]

MSG turned on Rock in favor of Brock, and Holly is nowhere near as liked as Rock.

First of all, it was Nassau.

 

Second of all, everyone knew that Rock was losing and leaving to film movies. People don't like it when their stars leave the business and go to "greater glories." ECW fans got bitter when people left to WCW and the WWF to be able to feed themselves and their families. WWE fans get bitter when people go film stuff.

 

Bob Holly will not be making movies any time soon. I think the match will go over fine. I don't believe it should be part of a major PPV, but then again that's because I know HHH's title match will get top billing again then.

 

Jason

[the pinjockey 0]

The statement was certainly not an attempt to be "smarkish". History has a precedent of cheering Brock over the face. (Brock-Rock) While I agree that Rock was leaving so he was open to booing, I think that evens out with the fact that Bob fucking Holly is going to be getting a title match on PPV in Philadelphia.

 

I do agree with Goodear, however. Make it a hardcore match and the crowd turn could be prevented.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

It's already happened before - infact, it happened last year. After the RR match they had Benoit in limbo where he didn't really *do* anything for, oh I dunno, 6 FUCKING MONTHS!

 

Yeah, but that's different.

 

Last year, it was Brock who we all knew was eventually going to gun for the title, while Benoit was wrestling Angle in the main event, simply to give him something to do in the meantime.

 

This year, it's Benoit who's going to gun for the title, while Holly is going to hold his place at the RR, and then probably be forgotten about for six months afterwards.

 

I still fail to see any problem with this.

 

Oh, and I totally agree with what someone else said earlier - Holly/Lesnar should be under Hardcore rules, because not only will that allow Holly to wrestle in his element (I won't even try to pretend that Holly is a great wrestler, but in hardcore matches he can easily hold his own) and thus make the match appear better, but it'll follow the storyline better if they just beat the piss out of each other. They HATE each other, thus it makes more sense for them to slug it out, rather then trade holds.

 

Oh, and Rock is ALWAYS the one to get booed if he's in a spot where the other guy might get cheered. It happened with Hogan, Austin, and Brock. It seems that people like Rock, but not when it comes down to the nitty-gritty.

[Guest Trivia247]

jesus bitches n moans

 

its not Benoit or Angle so anyone else would be substandard and must be destroyed by a slow acting Painful poison for Disrupting the Flow of your day.

 

At least its Not the Fucking Big Show...

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

jesus bitches n moans

 

its not Benoit or Angle so anyone else would be substandard and must be destroyed by a slow acting Painful poison for Disrupting the Flow of your day.

 

At least its Not the Fucking Big Show...

At least people consider the Big Show a credible opponent. Its really tough to justify putting Holly into a position he hasn't ever smelled...let alone tasted. He's completely out of his league, and if the WWE wants to draw more potential buyrates, putting Bob FUCKING Holly in one of the Main Events is not the damned solution.

 

Let me break it down

 

Bob Holly does NOT equal money. Brock vs. Holly is noth a money-making match. Its is a Vince McMahon-Zack Gowen match.

 

And people wonder why Smackdown is falling quicker than Paris Hilton at a gay bar.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Seeing as how Holly has been back for a month or so, he seems to be doing a pretty good job. Besides, THAT was not my point, which you conveniently looked over. My point is that the fans will not turn on Holly in favor of Brock, and I don't give a fuck if they are Philly or French fans.

Wanna bet?

 

People cheered a heel Triple H over a face Steiner. They'll damn sure side with Lesnar over Bob Holly.

 

I can't believe some people are actually justifying Holly's slot at the top of the card. Sure, a hardcore match where Lesnar destroys Holly could be benefical for Brock's character - but I sure don't see this benefitting anyone. It'll just prove everyone's case that Holly is a total joke and he had no place competiting for a World Title.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Sure, a hardcore match where Lesnar destroys Holly could be benefical for Brock's character - but I sure don't see this benefitting anyone.

 

So wait...you don't see it benefitting anyone...even though you just said that it'll probably benefit Brock's career? O...k.

 

And like has been stated before - Brock/Holly doesn't NEED to be a money-making match. It WON'T be the main event. It probably won't be the semi-main event.

 

The Royal Rumble is the money-making match. THAT is what is going to sell seats and get buyrates, like it always does. Brock/Holly will just be another match on the card, albeit one that features the champion.

 

he had no place competiting for a World Title.

 

To be fair, in storyline terms, Holly ISN'T competing for the title. He doesn't want to wrestle Lesnar because he's the champ - he wants Lesnar because he broke Holly's neck. He wants revenge, not gold.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Sure, a hardcore match where Lesnar destroys Holly could be benefical for Brock's character - but I sure don't see this benefitting anyone.

 

So wait...you don't see it benefitting anyone...even though you just said that it'll probably benefit Brock's career? O...k.

 

And like has been stated before - Brock/Holly doesn't NEED to be a money-making match. It WON'T be the main event. It probably won't be the semi-main event.

 

The Royal Rumble is the money-making match. THAT is what is going to sell seats and get buyrates, like it always does. Brock/Holly will just be another match on the card, albeit one that features the champion.

I was pretty much stating that the only person this would help is Lesnar - which I consider doubtful.

 

And I don't think you understand how casual fans who order PPV's think. Let me give you the dialogue

 

Steve: Who is fighting for the World Title?

 

Banky: Triple vs. Shawn Michaels

 

Steve: Oh that'll be alright

 

Banky: Plus the Royal Rumble, which will be pretty good

 

Steve: And who is fighting for the Smackdown Title

 

Banky: Brock Lesnar and Hardcore Holly

 

Steve: Hardcore Holly? Man, they are running out of ideas.

 

Banky: C'mon, pinch in a few bucks it'll be a good show

 

Steve: Nah man, I'll pass...

 

-------------

 

My point? Casual fans don't want to pay fucking money to see a low rate Velocity wrestler fight for THE major title. I sure as hell don't want to pay something I'll see on Smackdown again in 2 months. Do you understand? They are going to lose buyrates...and certainly make people wonder what the hell they are smoking by immedietly jamming a guy people associate with losing to Chuck Palumbo as a Main Event contender. It just ain't right.

 

The Royal Rumble hasn't really been that memorable in years. They need quality supporting matches to intice more people to give it a shot. The Royal Rumble itself isn't enough.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

The Royal Rumble itself isn't enough.

 

Since when?

 

I don't have exact figures in front of me, but isn't the RR almost always one of the highest-drawing PPV's of the year?

 

People will buy the show to see the rumble. They always have. They always will. One match on the card is not going to change that.

 

And I honestly can't see many people having that conversation. Especially when you're talking about the Rumble.

[Guest thetrendsetter]

I'm reasonably sure there was some of the same people saying the same things when Benoit main evented the SD side of the rumble last year. Contary to popular belief, Benoit isn't the top face on Smackdown, John Cena is.

 

It's a basic angle, that involves a person coming back to try to get vengeance for a broken neck. The way they're building the angle, is that Holly doesn't even want the title, he wants to destroy Lesnar.

 

People on this board constantly bitch and moan about people new people not getting pushed. Holly, after close to a decade, finally gets a huge push, and a believeable one at that, because of the injury, and the sheer anger he's shown since his return.

 

Holly has been built up as a legit tough guy by the WWE over the past few years, and it's about time he gets a shot.

 

To say Bob Holly isn't worthy of a PPV Heavyweight Title shot, is disgraceful, not to say Benoit isn't worthy, but his run will come with time. Let Holly do the vegenance angle, and even if it's a semi-close loss, he still comes out looking good, and you have a cornerstone for the U.S. Title, possibly more in the future.

 

And To Say the rumble isn't enough to draw on it's own is Ludicrious, it's wrestling's biggest gimmick match, and it's a match that EVERYONE loves. I challenge you to find a person who HATES or even dislikes battle royals, and I'll show you a liar.

 

Simply put, the WWE isn't going to go under by having Holly wrestle that match, and if anything, has everything to gain by possibly having a new viable uppercard guy made in the process. Most Likely, the undercard will look like this regardless

 

HHH VS HBK

Lesnar VS Holly

Smackdown Tag Title Match - Bashams VS Gurerro's (To Finally Cement A Chavo Heel Turn)

Randy Orton VS Anyone - IC Title Match

Crusierweight Title Match - Noble VS Tajiri

Woman's Title Match/Raw Tag Title's Match

 

Plus The Rumble, makes a Card I wouldn't mind seeing, especially a rumble, where there are multiple people that could possibly win: Cena, Orton, Kane, Benoit are all viable winners, and that makes a decent card.

 

And hey, if you don't like what's on the TV, there's enough alternatives, find something to watch more suited to your tastes. TNA, ROH, PWG, OVW all sell tapes on thier sites.

 

This Hardcore Holly thing is being blown way out of proportion, and should be a non-issue, as it is most unlikely Holly will win, and if he does, will immediately lose it back within a month.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Yeah, but that's different.

 

I still fail to see any problem with this.

 

The problem is the WWE has a history of forgetting about Benoit. His return in 02, for example, they could have made it special - they didn't. Then once the Austin angle fell through they had nothing for him. The jobbed him in the curtain jerker against the dudleys. After RR03 they put him up with Rhyno, teased a split, then finally split them with no explanation as to why, and then the blow-off match was on smackdown with no hype or fanfare. THEY_DON'T_CARE_ABOUT_BENOIT. They don't put the time and effort into thinking up a return for him, they don't put the time and effort into thinking up a way to keep him in the main event picture after a rather successful match with Kurt Angle, and they will ultimately forget about him here because they don't feel he's worth the investment.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

And I hate battle royales.

[Damaramu 0]

This thread is funny as hell.

People say "I don't want Holly to wrestle in the PPV main event. He sucks. He's not a good wrestler. He bores the hell out of me."

And immediately the idiots explode with

"Shut up smarks! Cry all you want! Holly's good! Benoit isn't getting his shot and it's funny! Benoit sucks! God get over it! If it isn't Benoit or Angle(despite people loving many other wrestlers....or do you have selective hearing you fucking morons?) then you freak out! God calm down!"

It's funny. Because that is pretty much what I see everytime a post like this is started. And usually these people will do it with no prompting. This is just funny. You make fun of smarks yet you look about 10x more foolish, hot headed, and moronic than they do.

So in other words........calm down.

 

Holly is a bad wrestler. Sorry kiddies. Nothing will change that. The guy sucked before his injury and I doubt he could've gotten better since then. Benoit is a good wrestler. See the difference here? The good wrestler should be wrestling for the title. The one that will put on an entertaining match. You know? Entertainment. You harp on Smarks so much that you're blinded to the fact that we just want what's entertaining........

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Hey Dammy, what the fuck is your problem?

 

First off, show me where anyone seemed to be happy that Benoit isn't getting his shot. Go right ahead. Because I'm reading this thread, and I don't see it.

 

Show me where anyone starting calling out smarks for liking Benoit. Go right ahead. Show me when anyone said anything along the lines of "you smarks are all fucking douchebags, etc." or whatever it was that you thought you read in this thread.

 

Show me when anyone said that Benoit sucks.

 

Show me when anyone was harping on smarks, outside of that FBP guy who was talking about something else entirely while doing it (the chances of certain people being cheered in certain situations, etc).

 

Now, until you can do that, the least, the LEAST you could do is not jump around and say "boy, look at all these idiots!" without any real REASON to do so.

 

This whole smark/anti-smark argument is total BS. Considering that I'm probably the biggest Holly supporter here, chew on this - I *like* Chris Benoit. He's one of my favourite wrestlers. I'd LOVE to see Benoit win the rumble and then the belt at WM. I think he deserves it.

 

However, I also happen to like Hardcore Holly, and I'm happy that he's being given a chance here. If that means I've been going around spewing some sort of mythical, anti-smark rhetoric, then I'm sorry.

 

I mean, there was that one guy who said that we need to give Hardcore a chance to prove that he's a good wrestler. Hell, I don't even think we need that - Holly's skills are known, and even I'll admit he's not on the same level as Benoit. Not even close. But since when does success in the fed rely on how skilled you are in the ring? Honestly now.

 

And here's the key thing; all 3 or 4 of the Holly supporters agree on this one, critical point that, if you'd been paying attention, kinda renders your whole "argument" pointless:

 

Benoit is going to get his title shot.

 

So, unless pointing out that Holly's title shot won't ruin Benoit's chances, Benoit is going to get a shot, and that the rumble will draw anyway is "harping" on smarks, kindly shut the fuck up until you know what you're talking about. And don't toss around words like "idiot" when you don't even know what you're talking about.

 

Thank you.

[Damaramu 0]

Hey Dammy, what the fuck is your problem?

 

First off, show me where anyone seemed to be happy that Benoit isn't getting his shot. Go right ahead. Because I'm reading this thread, and I don't see it.

 

Show me where anyone starting calling out smarks for liking Benoit. Go right ahead. Show me when anyone said anything along the lines of "you smarks are all fucking douchebags, etc." or whatever it was that you thought you read in this thread.

 

Show me when anyone said that Benoit sucks.

 

Show me when anyone was harping on smarks, outside of that FBP guy who was talking about something else entirely while doing it (the chances of certain people being cheered in certain situations, etc).

 

Now, until you can do that, the least, the LEAST you could do is not jump around and say "boy, look at all these idiots!" without any real REASON to do so.

 

This whole smark/anti-smark argument is total BS. Considering that I'm probably the biggest Holly supporter here, chew on this - I *like* Chris Benoit. He's one of my favourite wrestlers. I'd LOVE to see Benoit win the rumble and then the belt at WM. I think he deserves it.

 

However, I also happen to like Hardcore Holly, and I'm happy that he's being given a chance here. If that means I've been going around spewing some sort of mythical, anti-smark rhetoric, then I'm sorry.

 

I mean, there was that one guy who said that we need to give Hardcore a chance to prove that he's a good wrestler. Hell, I don't even think we need that - Holly's skills are known, and even I'll admit he's not on the same level as Benoit. Not even close. But since when does success in the fed rely on how skilled you are in the ring? Honestly now.

 

And here's the key thing; all 3 or 4 of the Holly supporters agree on this one, critical point that, if you'd been paying attention, kinda renders your whole "argument" pointless:

 

Benoit is going to get his title shot.

 

So, unless pointing out that Holly's title shot won't ruin Benoit's chances, Benoit is going to get a shot, and that the rumble will draw anyway is "harping" on smarks, kindly shut the fuck up until you know what you're talking about. And don't toss around words like "idiot" when you don't even know what you're talking about.

 

Thank you.

Hey bite me.

Read murmuring beasts thread when he says "Oh I can't wait to see this place in a tizzy" and how about this

jesus bitches n moans

 

its not Benoit or Angle so anyone else would be substandard and must be destroyed by a slow acting Painful poison for Disrupting the Flow of your day.

 

At least its Not the Fucking Big Show...

 

I'm sorry if you felt singled out. But you weren't the intended target. It's anybody that jumps into a thread anytime someone is mad over a Benoit storyline and shoves it down everyone's throat that they don't like Benoit and that everyone needs to calm down. That happens in every thread that mentions Benoit. The beginnings of it were starting with Murmuring Beasts post and posts like that above. I'm trying to stop it. The anit-smarks are just as bad as the smarks. And again I'm not trying to call you an anti-smark, quit feeling singled out, but they do exist and they do make posts like the one that I satirized. And that quote I made in my last post wasn't everything that's been said in this thread. It's called sarcasm, learn it. It was more poking fun at the general attitude that is taken towards situations like this. So in closing.......yes anti-smarks do exist and yes they do make the stupid arguments like I satirized. And yes Murmuring Beast is at times guilty of being one. And don't feel singled out. I'm not targetting you.....but if you want to take it as a personal attack........that's fine........

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Well, when I'm the most prominent defender of a certain wrestler in this thread, and you come along pretty much calling all defenders of such wrestler an idiot, it kinda tends to be taken personally, ya know?

 

And if it's Murmuring Beast who has the problem, and it's his thread that contains these comments you despise so much, why didn't you post this over there?

 

But in any event, I can't see this going very well without resorting to blatant flaming, so I think the whole thing should be taken as something of a misunderstanding and dropped.

[Damaramu 0]

Well, when I'm the most prominent defender of a certain wrestler in this thread, and you come along pretty much calling all defenders of such wrestler an idiot, it kinda tends to be taken personally, ya know?

 

And if it's Murmuring Beast who has the problem, and it's his thread that contains these comments you despise so much, why didn't you post this over there?

 

But in any event, I can't see this going very well without resorting to blatant flaming, so I think the whole thing should be taken as something of a misunderstanding and dropped.

I didn't mean his thread.....I meant his reply.

Well I wasn't directing it at you. It's just that I've dealt with the anti-smarks for so long that I've gotten jumpy in defending the smarks against them. I'm like the old man with an itchy trigger finger. So I guess I was misunderstanding to.

So yeah.......this pretty much is a big misunderstanding.

But my original comments to the anti-smarks still stands.