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I don't understand the people who are saying "this movie was boring! the story sucked!" I'm sorry but I think you're insane.

I found this and DareDevil to be so much more enjoyable than the Spider Man and X-Men movies. I watched X-2 again and it was kind of boring.

Different styles of action/superhero movies for different people, I suppose. Personally, I'm just the opposite; X2 over Hulk. I can't comment on Daredevil, though; haven't seen it. Is it good, in your opinion?

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Mr. Ramses is 100% right, Domestic gross is meaningless, you have to look at the whole picture, IE., the worldwide gross. That's why they consider Matrix Revolutions and T3 successes.

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I don't understand the people who are saying "this movie was boring! the story sucked!" I'm sorry but I think you're insane.

I found this and DareDevil to be so much more enjoyable than the Spider Man and X-Men movies. I watched X-2 again and it was kind of boring.

Different styles of action/superhero movies for different people, I suppose. Personally, I'm just the opposite; X2 over Hulk. I can't comment on Daredevil, though; haven't seen it. Is it good, in your opinion?

I think DareDevil was better than X-2. X-2 was good on first viewing but it bored the hell out of me the second time I watched it.

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I don't understand the people who are saying "this movie was boring! the story sucked!" I'm sorry but I think you're insane.

I found this and DareDevil to be so much more enjoyable than the Spider Man and X-Men movies. I watched X-2 again and it was kind of boring.

Different styles of action/superhero movies for different people, I suppose. Personally, I'm just the opposite; X2 over Hulk. I can't comment on Daredevil, though; haven't seen it. Is it good, in your opinion?

I think DareDevil was better than X-2. X-2 was good on first viewing but it bored the hell out of me the second time I watched it.

I also thought DD was good. It was way too quick though. The whole movie seems to happen in the span of about 3 days. Which is much too fast for the story being told.

 

Better than X2? No way. X2 is pretty much the best Marvel movie out there at this point.

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The studio thinks Hulk failed, they don't want to do the sequel and none of the actors involved want to be part of the franchise. The franchise tried to do something different and it was DOA because of it.

 

I admired what the Hulk tried to do, I did. However, the story was choppy, the acting of Eric Bana made Keanu Reeves seem like he deserves an Oscar, the running on the walls by the Hulk was pathetic to watch, and the final fight scenes were too much like an episode of Power Rangers to justify the story they set up.

 

The movie was visually stunning at times and the direction was solid, but the poor acting and story just killed the film for me. I went in with an open mind and I left feeling cold and hollow inside cause of a many factors beyond the control of the director.

 

As for Daredevil...they aren't mutants and no normal human can jump UP three stories. I don't give a damn how "heightened" their senses are, they can't jump UP three stories like both Electra and Daredevil were doing. It was decent but the jumping made it look more like I was watching some kid play a video game and he kept forgetting which button was punch.

 

And why Electra deserves a spin-off film is beyond me. It's like that crap that Halle Berry deserved a Bond spin-off. Just because they look good in leather doesn't mean I'm going to pay to watch them in a full length film. They really needed to develop her more in the film to justify the need for a spin-off. Her dying, coming back from the dead and leaving doesn't make me want to see more adventures of her.

 

But basically, Hulk 2 seems dead because the studio saw it as a failure and Daredevil 2 is also pretty much in trouble because the studio saw it as a failure. It's sad because neither property had the following of X-Men/Spiderman so I don't know what they were expecting.

 

And dammit, I wanted a Deadpool movie!

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I don't understand the people who are saying "this movie was boring! the story sucked!" I'm sorry but I think you're insane.

I found this and DareDevil to be so much more enjoyable than the Spider Man and X-Men movies. I watched X-2 again and it was kind of boring.

Different styles of action/superhero movies for different people, I suppose. Personally, I'm just the opposite; X2 over Hulk. I can't comment on Daredevil, though; haven't seen it. Is it good, in your opinion?

I think DareDevil was better than X-2. X-2 was good on first viewing but it bored the hell out of me the second time I watched it.

I also thought DD was good. It was way too quick though. The whole movie seems to happen in the span of about 3 days. Which is much too fast for the story being told.

 

Better than X2? No way. X2 is pretty much the best Marvel movie out there at this point.

That's your opinion.

I think The Hulk is the best Marvel movie out there at this point.

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The Hulk was written well. It had a pretty good story, and is probably the most cohesive Marvel movie out at this point. This doesn't change the fact that, in my opinion, the movie was fucking BORING! I can't speak for anybody else, but I know that I paid money to see HULK SMASH! If I wanted to see a movie with an intricate, deep story, I would have paid to see something else. I paid to see a movie that was supposed to be a Marvel Superhero blockbuster, like the commercials had hyped it up to be. Instead, I saw an intricate *SLOW* movie in which Bruce Banner didn't even turn into the Hulk until about an hour and a half into the movie. This kind of movie wasn't what a lot of people had wanted to see for a big summer movie, so it can easily be explained why so many people found it disappointing

 

I'll give you that the movie was written pretty well. But it was just written for the wrong genre. I'm not saying superhero movies have to be mindless - but the story doesn't have to drag along at a sluggish pace like it did in the Hulk.

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"I can't speak for anybody else, but I know that I paid money to see HULK SMASH!"

 

 

That's what I loved about it. I had little interest in seeing the Hulk until I read prior to the movie coming out that they didn't make a dumbed down action movie. I'm a fan of the Hulk comics...and as a fan I recognize that a balls out action movie is just not what is best for that character. The Hulk is the villain in the story...the story is one man's struggle with the monster inside him. Making a dark psychological movie the way they did was perfect to me.

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AS... i'm saddened if you are putting down Who Framed Roger Rabbit...

 

...because that's some great stuff...

I like it, but there's no reason for a serious superhero movie to look like it.

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I saw that differently. By the end of the movie I wasn't looking at the Hulk as a character that was supposed to look more real.

 

It was a manifestation of his inner monster. It shouldn't look like something you'd be comfortable seeing walking down the street.

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Like I said, I haven't seen the movie, (I still might, I guess), but the concept of the main principle in the movie being a cartoon is a huge turn off.

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Hulk was far from terrible. In terms of the psychological battle of the characters involved, it's probably a better story than Spidey or X2.

 

However, the final battle killed it. Killed it till it was nearly dead, it did. Everything else involving the Hulk was bash-n-crash awesomeness, and it's stupid not to deliver a bigger version of that in the finale. Movies tell stories in a certain way and it all must work together for a successful final product. With a different ending (that could have still delivered psychologically and dramatically, moreso than what we got), Hulk could have a completely different financial outcome and public perception.

 

I liked it. I thought it was a tremendous story with a bad ending. Much like MATRIX REVOLUTIONS. Unfortunately, an unsatisfying ending colors all that came before it in a negative light. The ending is what everything is pushing towards and if it is unsatisfactory then it, ultimately, fails. I believe this unfortunate thing is what happened to Hulk. At least to me.

 

X2 is likely my favorite superhero film to date. Good story, good actions and a good ending. It must come together to work. It's the nature of story on film. It's the nature of story. Period.

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The one thing I've noticed about Hulk - and I'm not defending it, because I hated it, I'm just making an observation - is that people complain up and down about Hulk being CGI... yet no one batts an eye when CGI is used for Spider-Man during his web-slinging scenes.. or for 75% of Lord of the Rings for that matter! Just an odd little occurance..

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The one thing I've noticed about Hulk - and I'm not defending it, because I hated it, I'm just making an observation - is that people complain up and down about Hulk being CGI... yet no one batts an eye when CGI is used for Spider-Man during his web-slinging scenes.. or for 75% of Lord of the Rings for that matter! Just an odd little occurance..

Refuse to see LotR, but that is like 5 % of the pidey scenes.

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I don't give a shit about the CGI. I could care less. The movie was damned boring. And so was X1. Its a superhero movie. Superheros fight. If I want a story, I'll go watch Scarface or Juice. I wanted action. Action thats unbelieveable. I wanted HULK SMASH~! But I got HULK THINK or some shit. X2 was great because as soon as I popped in the, ahem, VCD, Nightcrawler was flying around kicking people and BAMFING from spot to spot and I was hooked. You don't make a "gangsta" movie and have people sing like a musical and you don't, or shouldn't, make a movie about some big green monster who has super-human strength with minimul action.

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I don't give a shit about the CGI. I could care less. The movie was damned boring. And so was X1. Its a superhero movie. Superheros fight. If I want a story, I'll go watch Scarface or Juice. I wanted action. Action thats unbelieveable. I wanted HULK SMASH~! But I got HULK THINK or some shit. X2 was great because as soon as I popped in the, ahem, VCD, Nightcrawler was flying around kicking people and BAMFING from spot to spot and I was hooked. You don't make a "gangsta" movie and have people sing like a musical and you don't, or shouldn't, make a movie about some big green monster who has super-human strength with minimul action.

 

It was known long in advance that Hulk wasn't going to be a dumb action movie. If you are too lazy to pick up a paper, then it is your own damn fault if you don't know what type of film you are going to see.

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Yes, that's like complaining that Finding Nemo wasn't just for kiddies and is accessible to all ages. By no means did I like The Hulk, but I feel your line of logic is strange and unusual.

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I like all the marvel movies.I own em all except the Hulk, Im prob. gonna pick that up tomorrow or Wednesday. I enjoyed the Hulk, and I really am not sure what Marvel movie I think is the best. However, complaining that Daredevil was jumping too high, you can't just ignore Hulk. Hulk was practically fucking FLYING. Anyway, I have enjoyed all the Marvel movies. Punisher is actually looking like a b-movie to me, but I hope its alright, to hold up the Marvel movie name.

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The one thing I've noticed about Hulk - and I'm not defending it, because I hated it, I'm just making an observation - is that people complain up and down about Hulk being CGI... yet no one batts an eye when CGI is used for Spider-Man during his web-slinging scenes.. or for 75% of Lord of the Rings for that matter! Just an odd little occurance..

Refuse to see LotR, but that is like 5 % of the pidey scenes.

I'm guessing that pidey=Spidey? :P

 

...and LotR isn't at all bad. Jackson made the best adaptation, especially compared to those animated pieces of crap from way back when. The only thing I don't like is that people are treating the Trilogy as if he'd written it himself. :angry:

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The one thing I've noticed about Hulk - and I'm not defending it, because I hated it, I'm just making an observation - is that people complain up and down about Hulk being CGI... yet no one batts an eye when CGI is used for Spider-Man during his web-slinging scenes.. or for 75% of Lord of the Rings for that matter! Just an odd little occurance..

Are you kidding?? The most complaints I hear about Spiderman are about the CGI.

 

And LOTR I thought had some great cgi work. I don't remember a scene that looked badly done and if you watch the making of stuff on the extended edition disks most of it was done with minitures and enhanced with cgi. Instead of mostly cgi like the new Star Wars trilogy.

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I don't give a shit about the CGI. I could care less. The movie was damned boring. And so was X1. Its a superhero movie. Superheros fight. If I want a story, I'll go watch Scarface or Juice. I wanted action. Action thats unbelieveable. I wanted HULK SMASH~! But I got HULK THINK or some shit. X2 was great because as soon as I popped in the, ahem, VCD, Nightcrawler was flying around kicking people and BAMFING from spot to spot and I was hooked. You don't make a "gangsta" movie and have people sing like a musical and you don't, or shouldn't, make a movie about some big green monster who has super-human strength with minimul action.

 

It was known long in advance that Hulk wasn't going to be a dumb action movie. If you are too lazy to pick up a paper, then it is your own damn fault if you don't know what type of film you are going to see.

Exactly. One only needs to read the Director to know that The Hulk would be more... so much more... than an superhero/action movie. Ang Lee set out to make a film about fighting the demon within (Hulk) and without (Banner's father). I think on both points, he succeeded admirably.

 

And for all the CGI stuff in the film, I thought the most touching moments were the interactions between Betty and the Hulk. The facial expressions were eerily real.

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I didn't think Bana did a bad job, he was a better super-hero than Afleck ( But that's just my opinion)

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I paid money to see HULK SMASH!

Judging by the commercials I thought that's what the movie was. But they knew if they sold it as a story and said he didn't even turn till minute 40 they wouldn't have done near as much.

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