Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 7, 2004 That makes tons of sense "Boys you made it to the World Series and ya done good...but really, who gives a damn about winning it? Lets just go out there and fuck off" I'm sure the Yankees put effort towards winning it. Also why stop at a Championship AngleSault? If a team can't pound all of its opponents day in and day out, go undefeated, grab a championship, and cure a dehabilitating disease all in the same year well then that season should be considered a wash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Nevermind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 The Generic Habs Fan: Losing 1 Game: An off day Losing 2 Games: Something is going wrong Losing 3 Games: We suck. Winning 1 Game: The Hell? A fluke? Winning 2 Games: Playoffs baby. Winning 3 Games: It happened today, and it hasn't happened since 1960 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Sorry for being a day late and a dollar short with my opinion, but AS, I totally disagree with your POV. While the Bengals 8-8 was disappointing right at the end of the season, I would take that any year over the 2-14 atrocity of 2002. And if you go out and bust ass for (basically 12 months in NCAA now days) and give it your all and lose in the title game, I do not believe it is a failure. Disappointment, yes, but not faliure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Maybe i'm stupid, but I consider last year for my Red Sox to be nothing close to a "failure". I watch just about every game during the season, and that season was the greatest one I have seen in my lifetime. Yea I was dissapointed that they lost the way they lost in the end...but I went into the playoffs just praying for one thing. One thing that would be the cherry on top of an incredible Baseball season...A Yankees/Red Sox ALCS. That's what I want every year for the ALCS honestly. There is no better thing in Baseball for me than a 7 game series in October between the Yankees and Red Sox. I got what I wanted, and it came on the heels of an incredibly exciting Oakland Wild Card Series...Which was topped for me when I was jumping around hugging everyone up in the "Monster Seats" at Fenway Park when Trot Nixon hit the game-winning homerun of Game 3. The ONLY thing better than being in that atmosphere at THAT game was having my wish come true, getting the NY/BOS ALCS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Like I said.....I like the Red Sox but I'd hate to live in Boston. Any riots? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Like I said.....I like the Red Sox but I'd hate to live in Boston. Any riots? Only riots were done by college students after some big wins in the Oakland series. I didn't see a Red Sox hat on any of them or any Red Sox gear for that matter when watching the footage...I think they just used it as an excuse to flip a car and light a bonfire. The college wasn't directly in Boston either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Like I said.....I like the Red Sox but I'd hate to live in Boston. Any riots? Only riots were done by college students after some big wins in the Oakland series. I didn't see a Red Sox hat on any of them or any Red Sox gear for that matter when watching the footage...I think they just used it as an excuse to flip a car and light a bonfire. The college wasn't directly in Boston either. From what I heard, the car that got flipped had New York plates and an anti-Red Sox bumper sticker. Not to justify these drunken idiots having their little riot or anything even close to that, but it's not surprising that something bad happened to this dude's car. And I'm sure that a lot of the original rioters were indeed Sox fans, and the rest were just jumping on the bandwagon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 7, 2004 What? Most Yankee fans jumped on board about the mid-90s. You'd be damned to find anyone who liked the Yankees of the 80s/early 90s. I wasn't proud of that mess of an era, but they were still my team. I love baseball, I love going to baseball games, and I love the Yankees. Sure, they were certainly cursed out by me many a time. But still, they were my team. '95 was a fun year. Fuck you. It created a fairly decent rivaliry... Between whom? That makes tons of sense "Boys you made it to the World Series and ya done good...but really, who gives a damn about winning it? Lets just go out there and fuck off" I'm sure the Yankees put effort towards winning it. I missed all the effort they supposedly put in. The yankees looked like they didn't care in the beginning, they looked like they didn't care when they were playing, and which actually shocked me, they looked like they couldn't care less when they lost. Also why stop at a Championship AngleSault? If a team can't pound all of its opponents day in and day out, go undefeated, grab a championship, and cure a dehabilitating disease all in the same year well then that season should be considered a wash. That wasn't necessary. The ultimate goal in sports is winning a championship, period. Anything short of that, and you've done something wrong. Hell, I don't care HOW they do it. Sure I'd love for them to kill everyone along the way until crushing someone in a sweep in the Series (98), but if you have to sneak into the play offs at 90-72 and fight tooth and nail until you win, so be it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Also why stop at a Championship AngleSault? If a team can't pound all of its opponents day in and day out, go undefeated, grab a championship, and cure a dehabilitating disease all in the same year well then that season should be considered a wash. That wasn't necessary. The ultimate goal in sports is winning a championship, period. Anything short of that, and you've done something wrong. Actually the goal of proffesional sports is not only to win a championship but to build up depth. In baseball if a team loses during the regular season yet through the minors a few stud prospects show up then there's hope for the future years of starting to win a championship. The only time it can really be considered a failure is if the Major League team fails miserably and the minor leagues are full of shit too. Now take for example the Yankees at the start of their titles run in the late 90s. They were a success all around because their minor leagues still had good prospects coming up...only thing is rather than continue to build upon those prospects and the draft which got them alot of those players they signed older free agents which in turn sacraficed prospects. They also traded what was left of their prospects for quick fixes. Brandon Claussen could have been a decent #5 for you this year and in the future could have projected to be a #3...but you gave him away and much more for a 3rd baseman who's offense was highly over-rated and a lefty specialist that couldn't get lefties out when it mattered. Along with giving him up you gave away another prospect and cash. To make things short winning a WS isn't the mark of an ultimate success. You need to win the WS without compromising your team in the future and that's hard to do. If you don't think Toronto's season was worth anything then we'll point to this in 3 years when they're giving both our teams alot of trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 FrigidSoul, trust me on this one. Its not worth your time. We've done this argument 3-4 times. Nothing changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 FrigidSoul, trust me on this one. Its not worth your time. We've done this argument 3-4 times. Nothing changes. It's funny, I actually began to type up a response to the same post that FrigidSoul did, and realized that it wouldn't have been worth the efforts. Good to see that I wasn't the only one that realized how fruitless that pissing match would have become. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Also why stop at a Championship AngleSault? If a team can't pound all of its opponents day in and day out, go undefeated, grab a championship, and cure a dehabilitating disease all in the same year well then that season should be considered a wash. That wasn't necessary. The ultimate goal in sports is winning a championship, period. Anything short of that, and you've done something wrong. Actually the goal of proffesional sports is not only to win a championship but to build up depth. And you build up depth so you can win a championship at some point, correct? I don't agree with raping the farm system, but I don't know what choice we had. They had to send out a competitive team every year. If you don't think Toronto's season was worth anything then we'll point to this in 3 years when they're giving both our teams alot of trouble. Kind of like how the Braves were supposed to be overthrown by one team or another for say, the last six years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Also why stop at a Championship AngleSault? If a team can't pound all of its opponents day in and day out, go undefeated, grab a championship, and cure a dehabilitating disease all in the same year well then that season should be considered a wash. That wasn't necessary. The ultimate goal in sports is winning a championship, period. Anything short of that, and you've done something wrong. Actually the goal of proffesional sports is not only to win a championship but to build up depth. And you build up depth so you can win a championship at some point, correct? I don't agree with raping the farm system, but I don't know what choice we had. They had to send out a competitive team every year. If you don't think Toronto's season was worth anything then we'll point to this in 3 years when they're giving both our teams alot of trouble. Kind of like how the Braves were supposed to be overthrown by one team or another for say, the last six years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lomasmoney 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2004 I've never understood any Yankee fan older than 8 years old bitching about how much they suck. The Yankees have won World Championships in 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000. Thats 4 titles in 8 years and they have been to the playoffs every year since 1996, and advanced to the World Series every year except 1997 and 2002. Tell me how you can talk to a Tigers Fan about how much your team sucks. I'm a Reds fan and at least they have one title and have been somewhat competititive over the last 18 years, but I've lived in Detroit, and they have been to the playoffs once in my lifetime, and they have had one winning record in the last ten years. They have lost 100 games 5 times since 1987, that is a team who sucks. The Yankees on the other hand have an owner who will get whomever he needs to win a championship. Yankees fans are spoiled and should be thankful they aren't Brewers, Tigers, or Devil Rays fans. People in the D call a good season one in which we don't flirt with the all time loss record Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2004 They had to send out a competitive team every year. "They" didn't have to. They did it to please fans like you and get rid of the whining about the losing. Thus once the championship was won, the fans requested more until they can't be pleased by anthing less due to being spoiled by winning so many championships in such a short period of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 8, 2004 So, since we're better than the Tigers, I should be thrilled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 8, 2004 They had to send out a competitive team every year. "They" didn't have to. They did it to please fans like you and get rid of the whining about the losing. So they had to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 8, 2004 They had to send out a competitive team every year. They didn't have to. Its a bussiness so all they have to do is make a profit. Sure you make more of one by winning a championship but regardless of what Milwaukee brass is saying they're out their making a money...that's all they really have to do. Owners can just go onto an island and ignore all the fans, they don't have to go out of their way to please you because there will always be fathers taking their kids out to ballgames, companies holding greetings there (like an old meet and greet at a ballpark to help close a deal). Its like a supermarket...they don't have to bag your groceries, but its nice if they do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 8, 2004 They had to send out a competitive team every year. They didn't have to. Its a bussiness so all they have to do is make a profit. Sure you make more of one by winning a championship but regardless of what Milwaukee brass is saying they're out their making a money...that's all they really have to do. Milwaukee fans are somewhat more forgiving. Sure, no one goes there anyway, but they are more likely to sit there and accept a "rebuilding process" which appears to take any time between five and ten years. Yankee fans as a whole aren't exactly gonna be thrilled with a team that has been publically acknowledged as a sucky team that's just taking up time until "prospects" that may or may not be any good finally make their way through the system. (ie. The definition of a rebuilding process) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Oh man some morons calling into the radio today really took the cake. One said "OU should fire Bob Stoops. He's proven that he's a crappy coach and that he can't get the job done!" WHAT!? Let's see......Stoops went what? 8-4 or 9-5 his first season? 12-0 his second season and won the national title. 12-2 in his 3rd season and they won a bowl 12-2 in his 4th season......and the Conference and the Rose Bowl! 12-2 in his 5th season and they made it to the national title game! That sure doesn't look like a crappy coach to me! So what are we supposed to do? Fire every coach that makes it to the National Title game and loses!? That would mean a good coach loses his job every year! Oh I have an even better idea! Let's fire every coach that doesn't win the National Title! That means 116(or 115 like this year) coaches would lose there job! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 8, 2004 He won them a National Title. That makes a good coach, IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Anglesault is going to be one of those Little League dads who tries to kill the umpire at his kid's game when a call costs them the championship. Then of course the kid will be grounded for two months for being a loser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Anglesault is going to be one of those Little League dads who tries to kill the umpire at his kid's game when a call costs them the championship. Then of course the kid will be grounded for two months for being a loser. You're implying he's going to find a girl who he won't complain about first. "Your areola are 2cm in diameter two large, GET OUT OF MY BED!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Oh man some morons calling into the radio today really took the cake. One said "OU should fire Bob Stoops. He's proven that he's a crappy coach and that he can't get the job done!" WHAT!? Let's see......Stoops went what? 8-4 or 9-5 his first season? 12-0 his second season and won the national title. 12-2 in his 3rd season and they won a bowl 12-2 in his 4th season......and the Conference and the Rose Bowl! 12-2 in his 5th season and they made it to the national title game! That sure doesn't look like a crappy coach to me! So what are we supposed to do? Fire every coach that makes it to the National Title game and loses!? That would mean a good coach loses his job every year! Oh I have an even better idea! Let's fire every coach that doesn't win the National Title! That means 116(or 115 like this year) coaches would lose there job! Well, OU is in the Big 12, where good coaches get fired, where winning 9 games is not good enough. After 25 rejections, what are the odds the interim coach from the Alamo Bowl finally gets a phone call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Oh man some morons calling into the radio today really took the cake. One said "OU should fire Bob Stoops. He's proven that he's a crappy coach and that he can't get the job done!" WHAT!? Let's see......Stoops went what? 8-4 or 9-5 his first season? 12-0 his second season and won the national title. 12-2 in his 3rd season and they won a bowl 12-2 in his 4th season......and the Conference and the Rose Bowl! 12-2 in his 5th season and they made it to the national title game! That sure doesn't look like a crappy coach to me! So what are we supposed to do? Fire every coach that makes it to the National Title game and loses!? That would mean a good coach loses his job every year! Oh I have an even better idea! Let's fire every coach that doesn't win the National Title! That means 116(or 115 like this year) coaches would lose there job! Well, OU is in the Big 12, where good coaches get fired, where winning 9 games is not good enough. After 25 rejections, what are the odds the interim coach from the Alamo Bowl finally gets a phone call. Oh yeah. That Nebraska situation is a fucking joke. Whoever's running the show over there needs his brain checked. Question. If the Big XII was the toughest conference in college football(which it's not) then wouldn't that mean none of the teams would go anywhere in the rankings b/c they'd all be so good they'd be beating one another! Isn't that true? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Anglesault is going to be one of those Little League dads who tries to kill the umpire at his kid's game when a call costs them the championship. Then of course the kid will be grounded for two months for being a loser. Nah, the kids play to have fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted January 8, 2004 There are 30 Major League Baseball teams, so technically the Yankees go into every year with only a 3.33% chance at winning the World Series. Now, realistically, maybe half the teams in the League have a REAL shot at winning, but that is beside the point. If there's 30 teams, than all 30 COULD win the WS. That being said, how are you a failure if you don't beat 30-to-1 odds every single year? I understand that, by definition, to "fail" is to "not succeed," but if that is the case than the Marlins are failures too, since they didn't go 162-0. And aside from all the math and odds and definitions....quit bitching, AS. When the Yankees are going through the inevitable rebuilding phase (George can't live forever), you'll be wishing for "mere" 90-win seasons and first-round playoff exits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 8, 2004 I understand that, by definition, to "fail" is to "not succeed," Then why ask the question? but if that is the case than the Marlins are failures too, since they didn't go 162-0. How so? Success in sports has always been measured in rings. If you have to snare a wild card to do it, so be it. And aside from all the math and odds and definitions....quit bitching, AS. When the Yankees are going through the inevitable rebuilding phase (George can't live forever), you'll be wishing for "mere" 90-win seasons and first-round playoff exits You can tell by how closely I hold 1995 to my heart. Or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2004 Anglesault is going to be one of those Little League dads who tries to kill the umpire at his kid's game when a call costs them the championship. Then of course the kid will be grounded for two months for being a loser. Nah, the kids play to have fun. Which is exactly how I tried to sum up the college sports situation. Odd that you'd have this stance now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
