UFC 46: Super Natural

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

***Fight card has been changed. Check Below***

 

The term "Must-see" get's thrown around a lot; but in regards to the UFC it doesn't happen all too often... Believe me when I say, THIS is a MUST SEE.

 

 

UFC 46: Super Natural

Saturday, January 31st, 2004

LIVE on PPV 10 pm EST ($29.99)

 

Light-Heavyweight Title Match

Randy Couture © vs. Vitor Belfort

 

Welterweight Title Match

Matt Hughes © vs. B.J. Penn

 

Heavyweight Grudge Match

Frank Mir vs. Wes Sims

 

Return of the Ronin

Carlos Newton vs. Renato Verissimo

 

Battle for the Future

Karo Parisyan vs. Georges St. Pierre

 

Rise of Rivera

Jorge Rivera vs. Lee Murray

 

Putting Together a Broken Division: Lightweights

Hermes Franca vs. Josh Thomson

Edited January 24, 2004 by RavishingRickRudo

[Brush with Greatness 0]

Should be good with those top three fights have great potential. Hopefully this isn't one of those cases where the end product doesn't live up to the hype.

 

BTW, why the hell is this on a Saturday?

[Styles 0]

Hmmm, I ordered the UFC with Lidell vs. Couture and really liked it, but I didn't order the one with Couture vs. Ortiz because I didn't recognize anything on the undercard (although I will seek it out on DVD now to see the match!), and didn't order the last one because there was nothing worth it. But I'll probably get this one but besides Couture vs. Belfort and Simms vs. Mir I don't know anyone else (still new to MMA), so any insight on the other fights/fighters would be appreciated. Anything to pump me up more for the undercard would be good!

[Lei Tong 0]

Matt Hughes: Welterweight fighting out Miletich Fighting Systems. Ground & pound fighter who's also adding submission and striking skills to his arsenal, he's also one of the strongest fighters around P4P. Has tons of MMA experience, but really came into his own upon winning the UFC WW title from Carlos Newton (albeit in an extremely odd way). One of the most dominant champions in the world at the moment, having not only defeated some of the top WW's in the world, but thoroughly dominated a few of them of them (Carlos Newton, Hayato Sakurai, Gil Castillo, Sean Sherk & Frank Trigg since winning the belt).

 

BJ Penn: Former lightweight fighting out of the Lewis/Pederneiras Vale Tudo Team. BJJ blackbelt (his numerous BJJ titles and young age at the time earned him the nickname "The Prodigy"). Aside from his excellent ground skills, he's showed KO power standing and good ground & pound skills. He defeated top contenders Din Thomas & Caol Uno in his 2nd & 3rd UFC matches, and was a heavy favorite against then LW champ Jens Pulver, yet lost a close decision. Since then, he made it to the finals of the UFC LW tournament to crown a new champion after Pulver left, winning a snoozer of Matt Serra and getting highly debated daw against Caol Uno in the finals (most thought he won). Since then, he defeated former Shooto LW kingpin Takanori Gomi in amazing fashion. Now moves up in weight to challenge Hughes.

 

 

Will have more in a bit.

[AmericanDragon 0]

If Penn beats Hughes I'm going to kill myself.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

OH MY GOD!!!!

 

YOUR Fight and Fighters of the Day ARE!!!

 

Randy “The Natural” Couture vs. Vitor “The Phenom” Belfort

 

Champion

 

Name: Randy Couture

Nickname: The Natural

Height/Weight: 6'1 / 205 lbs.

MMA Record: 12 - 5 - 0

Style: Greco-Roman Wrestling

From: U.S.A.

Association: Team Quest

Last Fight vs. Tito Ortiz (Win *Decision* UFC 40: Undisputed)

 

vs.

 

 

Name: Vitor Belfort

Nickname: The Phenom

Height/Weight: 6'0 / 205 lbs.

MMA Record: 11 - 3 - 0

Style: Jiu-Jitsu

From: Brazil

Last Fight vs. Marvin Eastman (Win *TKO* - UFC 43: Meltdown)

 

When I got “back into” MMA in 2001, I went to the local Blockbuster and rented some ‘old’ UFC’s. These videos went from UFC 1 to UFC 20, and my favourite period of time had to be from UFC 13 to UFC 20 – Tito Ortiz debuted, Coleman was fallen, cross-training was beginning to really become prevalent. Watching these videos, two fighters began to capture my attention. They represented the change of the guard; one was a Brazilian trained under Carlson Gracie who stunned audiences (and fighters) with his blazing-fast hand speed; the other was a Greco-Roman wrestler who didn’t rely on Ground and Pound like the last prominent wrestler and focused more on submissions. These two men, of course, are Vitor Belfort and Randy Couture. They were (and still are) among my favourite fighters and it excites and pains me to see them fight as one of them will have to lose and fall down the light-heavyweight ladder…

 

… but this isn’t the first time they have fought.

 

By UFC 15 Vitor Belfort was lighting the world on fire – never before had there been such an explosive fighter with that kind of hand speed, it seemed no one could stop him. He was labeled a “Phenom” and at the age of 19 he was being groomed for a top spot in the sport. Randy Couture, on the other hand, was 36 years old – his best days seemingly behind him – and was actually less experienced than his young opponent. Belfort had won his last few fights quickly, making sport of legends like Tank Abbott and never went beyond 2 1/2 minutes. The fight with Couture was expected to go the same way.

 

Someone forgot to tell Randy.

 

Randy Couture has made a name for himself defying the odds. This is best seen in the past year where he came out from nowhere (well, not nowhere, he came from 2 devastating losses to heavyweights Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez and had people telling him it was “over”) to soundly beat top contender Chuck Liddell and then spanked champion Tito Ortiz and took the Light-Heavyweight title… all at the tender age of 40. This was not the first time he ruined the UFC’s plans…

 

The fight certainly did not go as expected – well, it kind of did. Belfort came out and unleashed his quick hands on Couture and it seemed to go like his fights with Abbot, Telligman, Ferrozzo, but this was no ordinary wrestler he was facing – this was one who had some boxing training himself and Couture was able to withstand the opening flurry and took Belfort to a place he had never been before in the octagon – past the 5 minute mark. The secret to his success was in the clinch – Belfort’s speed was determined by the amount of movement he had, in the clinch that movement was limited and therefore he couldn’t tee off like he did in his previous matches. Couture was able to throw jabs and uppercuts in the clinch while Belfort was generally clueless and tried to keep up (bad move in MMA). Couture also pressed the fight against Belfort and had him backtracking – what everyone thought Vitor would do to him. Couture controlled the fight and as anyone who have seen Randy fight know, when Randy controls the fight, the fight is over and won. This fight proved 2 things – never count Randy Couture out, and that Randy Couture could box… 2 things that people forgot in 03 and now know for sure.

 

Which brings us to UFC 46, this is the first time in a long time that Randy Couture is the favourite to win; He is not the underdog; He does not have the odds stacked against him. He is the champion and by extension, isn’t as hungry as he was when challenging and doesn’t have anything left to prove.

 

But this fight isn’t just about Randy Couture; it’s also about Vitor Belfort. After his fight with Randy at UFC 15, Belfort began to change. With the exception of his fight with Wanderlei Silva at UFC Brazil, Belfort began to calm down. He fought a slower-paced fight; the fists of fury were no longer there. This was both a mental and physical roadblock for the once hottest prospect on the market – he had several hand surgeries and didn’t have the fire he once had. He went to PRIDE and was defeated by Sakuraba, and then fought 3 unremarkable fights against Gilbert Yvel at PRIDE 9, Daijiro Matsui at PRIDE 10 and Heath Herring at PRIDE 14. Rather than finishing his opponents off in under a minute like he did in the past, Vitor was now content with going to a decision. The “New” Vitor brought yawns to fans and had them wishing for the “Old” Vitor to come back. Well, they got their wish at UFC 43. Next to Couture dominating Liddell, Belfort destroying highly regarded Marvin Eastman was the talk of the MMA world. Now, to bring his journey full circle, Belfort must beat the one who derailed his quest to become the top fighter in the sport. To show everyone that he can still compete at an elite level and wow us all over again. Vitor Belfort, most certainly, has something to prove.

Edited January 17, 2004 by RavishingRickRudo

[AmericanDragon 0]

This is what happened to Vitor's last opponent:

That' right, he opened a vagina in Eastman's head.

 

I still think Randy is going to win.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

That is so not the post I wanted to proceed the FAFOTD...

 

... god bless you AmericanDragon.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

OH MY GOD!!!!

 

YOUR Fight and Fighters of the Day ARE!!!

 

Randy “The Natural” Couture vs. Vitor “The Phenom” Belfort

 

Champion

 

Name: Randy Couture

Nickname: The Natural

Height/Weight: 6'1 / 205 lbs.

MMA Record: 12 - 5 - 0

Style: Greco-Roman Wrestling

From: U.S.A.

Association: Team Quest

Last Fight vs. Tito Ortiz (Win *Decision* UFC 40: Undisputed)

 

vs.

 

 

Name: Vitor Belfort

Nickname: The Phenom

Height/Weight: 6'0 / 205 lbs.

MMA Record: 11 - 3 - 0

Style: Jiu-Jitsu

From: Brazil

Last Fight vs. Marvin Eastman (Win *TKO* - UFC 43: Meltdown

I didn't read through the entire thing, as I just skimmed through to see if you had mentioned something that would have a huge impact on the fight.

 

Don't you think that this is important?

 

EDIT: I didn't give a direct link, and the quote was too long. Here you go.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

That's a personal matter, it's certainly an important part of the fight - but I'd feel a lil seedy mentioning it.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

That's a personal matter, it's certainly an important part of the fight - but I'd feel a lil seedy mentioning it.

Point is the fight is ruined. Either he doesn't fight (although he has said he will), or he does fight but his mind is elsewhere. I mean, this is not a problem that is resolved. He doesn't know what's happened to her. There is no closure.

 

I don't want the fight to happen at this point. I know I wouldn't fight.

[Brush with Greatness 0]

Or he could be totally motivated and not let anything stop him. Whose to say how it will affect him?

 

It could be similar to Jens Pulver and Dusty in his fight against Uno. I know that the situation is a lot different but in a sense it is similar.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Gerald Strebendt is out, Ivan Menjivar is in according to close sources to Ivan.

 

The card actually got better

 

Menjivar endeared himself to me after I saw him do a german suplex / side suplex hybrid which KO'd his opponent (right on his head).

 

So basically, we have 3 of Canada's top fighters in this event in Carlos Newton, George St. Pierre, and Ivan Menjivar. You're in for a treat. Him vs. Serra might actually beat out St. Pierre vs. Parisyan as FOTY... which has to contend with Couture vs. Belfort, Penn vs. Hughes and a Carlos Newton fight.

Edited January 17, 2004 by RavishingRickRudo

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Gerald Strebendt is out, Ivan Menjivar is in according to close sources to Ivan.

 

The card actually got better

 

Menjivar endeared himself to me after I saw him do a german suplex / side suplex hybrid which KO'd his opponent (right on his head).

 

So basically, we have 3 of Canada's top fighters in this event in Carlos Newton, George St. Pierre, and Ivan Menjivar. You're in for a treat. Him vs. Serra might actually beat out St. Pierre vs. Parisyan as FOTY... which has to contend with Couture vs. Belfort, Penn vs. Hughes and a Carlos Newton fight.

Even if the Belfort-Couture fight doesn't happen, this card is still downright Godly.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

YOUR GRUDGE Match and GRUDGE Fighters of the GRUDGE day ARE!

 

 

Name: Frank Mir

Nickname: The Fear (ok, I made it up)

Height/Weight: 6’1 / 240 lbs

MMA Record: 6 - 1 - 0

Style: BJJ

From: USA

Association: Ricardo Pires Jiu-Jitsu

Last Fight vs. Wes Sims (Win *DQ* - UFC 43: Meltdown)

 

vs.

 

 

Name: Wes Sims

Nickname: The Project

Height/Weight: 6’9 / 255 lbs

MMA Record: 4 – 2 – 0

Style: Wrestling

From: USA

Association: Hammer house

Last Fight vs. Frank Mir (Loss *DQ* - UFC 43: Meltdown)

 

And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.

 

So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.

 

- Samuel, Chapter 17, Verse 49

 

And Goliath stomped David against the fence as Goliath held on to the cage after David had PWN3D Goliath on the ground.

 

So Big John stopped the fight and disqualified Goliath for breaking the rules and Goliath was mad. David said he was sorry to the crowd for his performance and Goliath said that David had played dirty and gauged his eyes.

 

-Meltdown, UFC 43, Match 3

 

“Frank Mir vs. Wes Sims

 

This match was going really good up until the DQ. If the UFC handles this right they could make quite the angle from it and maybe put a lil’ spark in the heavyweight division. Sims came off like a total jerk (or as Michael Cole would say “He’s a BULLY! Nothing but a big BULLY! Damn that BULLY!”) and Mir came off as big babyface esp. with apologizing for not defending himself. They could build up a giant killer angle/gimmick leading up to a title match with Tim Sylvia (who?).

 

- Me, 6/9/2003

 

What do I have to do to sell this fight? Hell, I DON’T HAVE TO DO A THING! I can just let history tell and sell itself. When Frank Mir took on Wes Sims at UFC 43, there was no real incentive to care about which guy would win. They didn’t really have an issue. Sims was big, Frank Mir was getting a push – that was it. After the fight, I think just about everyone who saw it was dying for a rematch. First, it was an entertaining and active fight with Frank Mir basically in control for the whole thing. Second, it ended in something that everyone in MMA either loves or hates – CONTROVERSY~! Yes, the big Wes Sims decided that being big wasn’t enough, oh no, he had to be bad too. In a vicious display of anger and frustration Sims made some well placed stomps to Mir’s head (as seen in the picture above) and not only that, he was making very liberal use of the octagon cage. Needless to say, Mir was knocked for a loop after the encounter but he still had the win. But for us blood-thirsty, beer-drinking, and bible-reading fans, WE WANTED MORE. The issue just started at the end of the fight and we want to see who the better man is… or we want to see two guys who legit don’t like each other go at it in an all-out war…. Or we want the MMA equivalent of the biblical story David and Goliath….or we want to see more STOMPIN! YEAH! STOMPIN~!

 

Frank Mir’s “coming out” party – at least to me – was at UFC 36. He beat Pete Williams. Okay, maybe that’s not all that impressive. But it’s in HOW he did it which raised my eyebrows – he basically won with a one-armed kimura… a move that will probably never be seen again in MMA competition. He also has had the distinction of tapping out Tank Abbot at UFC 41 – a very rare feat that only those skillful artists such as former Joe Son Do practitioner Kimo can do. Nevertheless, the UFC wants Frank Mir as one of their top stars… after all, “he’s the only fighter out there that the ladies show any interest in” says Live Audio Wrestling host Dan “the mouth” Lovranski. Since marketability is a key component in the success of anything, I guess that’s not such a bad idea.

 

Wes Sims is like the Albert of the UFC. They already have big guys like Tim Sylvia and Gan McGee, so he doesn’t really stand-out. But he’s still pretty fucking big. Since he trains with some of the best wrestlers on the planet in the Hammer House, you have to think that the guy has some skills on the ground. However, as they say, on the ground EVERYONE is the same size… so the key in winning for a big man such as “The Project” is in stand-up. The problem is, while the Hammer House is damn good at wrestling, they-ain’t-so-hot at striking. Whether or not this is a problem for Sims will remain to be seen. Sims, despite his poor sportsmanship, still managed to get out of Mir’s submission attempts and had the stand-up position at the end of the fight – which is definitely a problem if you’re Frank Mir. Mir, however, has faced tougher competition than Sims and was dominant for the greater part of the fight, so the edge has to go to him. Either way, this is a fight that I have wanted for 7 months and am eagerly waiting to see.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

….or we want to see more STOMPIN! YEAH! STOMPIN~!

Did someone say more stompin'?

 

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

Rise of Rivera

Jorge Rivera vs. Lee Murray

I hope Rivera can rise and still walk after this fight.

[Lei Tong 0]

RRR- Mir gave himself the nickname "Conan" during an interview with some muscle mag sometime back. Not sure how serious he was about keeping it, but it's the closest he's got.

 

Coincidentally, the last "Conan" Sims fought was also a large Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu fighter (the American Top Team's now incarcerated Marcus Silviera) who had a tough time submitting a seemingly finished Sims.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Conan got KTFO by Maurice Smith at Extreme Challenge 3, I believe. That was a fun match.

 

Jimmy, what do you know of Lee Murray?? I only am hearing second hand info. KO'ing Pele is impressive.

 

*marks for Stompin Tom reference*

 

And I'm STICKING WITH "THE FEAR"!!

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Menjivar vs. Serra is off, according to some sources at the UG. Work Visa, apparently, is the problem. He will, however, be participating at UFC 48.

 

I'm actually kinda happy, since they probably weren't going to show his fight anyways.

[Lei Tong 0]

Assuming they don't scrap the fight altogether, I imagine they can easily find another quality opponent for Serra, esp. considering the depth of the 155 division.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Menjivar vs. Serra is off, according to some sources at the UG. Work Visa, apparently, is the problem. He will, however, be participating at UFC 48.

 

I'm actually kinda happy, since they probably weren't going to show his fight anyways.

Apparently they're not showing Karo either, which certainly is disappointing.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

They may show the preliminary fight, depending on how good it is. I am holding out hope that they do.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

MENJIVAR OUR...CURRAN IN TO FACE SERRA

 

It just goes to show, that if you are a fighter, you might want to stay in shape, just in case the UFC calls at the last minute. As we reported yesterday on the Soundoff Forum, MMAWeekly.com has learned that Matt Serra has gone through FIVE OPPONENTS now that Ivan Menjivar can not get a work visa in time for his fight.

 

Yesterday, the UFC went through two more opponents just trying to get an opponent for Serra. It looks as though Jeff Curran will now step in to be Serra's opponent.

 

Curran, a good fighter from the Miletich Fighting Systems, is looking forward to stepping up to the challenge as he has just nine days notice to face Serra.

 

- mmaweekly

 

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/display...m?fighterid=770

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Here is the order of fights.

 

UFC Main Card

- Vitor Belfort vs Randy Couture - MAIN EVENT - UFC Title

- BJ Penn vs Matt Hughes - UFC Title Fight

- Carlos Newton vs Renato Verissimo - (Swing Bout)

- Frank Mir vs Wes Sims - rematch

- Jorge Rivera vs Lee Murray

 

PRELIMINARY FIGHTS

- Matt Serra vs Jeff Curran

- Georges St. Pierre vs Karo Parisyan

- Hermes Franca vs Josh Thomson

 

Credit - MMAWeekly.com

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KARO PARISYAN vs GEORGES ST. PIERRE ON MMAWEEKLY RADIO

 

MMAWeekly Radio's sixteen fighters in sixteen days got back on track Tuesday with a double dose of fighters. Karo Parisyan and Georges St.Pierre were the two guests and they will be facing each other at UFC 46. This is Karo's second fight in the UFC and he talked about the pressure of his debut and not really being nervous against Dave Strasser. He has watched the UFC for ten years and fighting and winning in the UFC was a dream come true really. Parisyan likes to know who he is fighting three months in advance to prepare for the fight and this keeps him away from nervousness. Now that he has fought once in the UFC, he said, "people recognize you and give you more spots just because you fought in the UFC."

 

Karo started martial arts at the age of eight, when his father took him to train in Judo. He said it was easy to transform from Judo to grappling and then into submission fighting. He fought in his first NHB fight when he was fourteen. Parisyan said he would never fight wearing a Gi in the octagon. Not trying to make political statement, he said that he simply fights better in mixed martial arts without a Gi. He added, "Judo Gi's are pretty heavy too," and that he doesn't know how to use it to his advantage unless his opponent is wearing one. Karo said he respects every art, trains in every art, and if it works, he'll use it. He doesn't know if Judo gets a bum rap in MMA but said that he can use it to his advantage.

 

Parisyan doesn't formulate a game plan going in to a fight. He said, "I adapt to the situation, anything I see, I'll go for it." He has seen St.Pierre fight and considers him to be an aggressive, strong, ground and pounder who is also good at submissions. "I'll have my counters and my offense at the same time," added Parisyan. Karo said, "We'll just see what happens." Depending on how he does in this fight, Karo may be ready to take on Matt Hughes. Just give him three months and he will he'll fight anyone, especially if it means getting a chance at a UFC belt. For more information on Karo Parisyan, go to www.gokor.com.

 

Georges St.Pierre joined the show and said that fighting in the UFC is a "dream come true." He has always wanted to fight in the UFC every since he saw the legendary Royce Gracie fight. He is very nervous about making his UFC debut, and will try to forget about the television, reporters and the crowd. Georges trains with David Loiseau, who will also be working his corner for the fight, and David advised him to be prepared because it is a big event and to just do his job. Like Parisyan, St.Pierre walks around at about 185 pounds and feels he is in pretty good shape right now. He is just trying to focus being mentally and physically ready.

 

Georges got in to martial arts when he was seven, after an altercation with a bigger classmate. He tries to "mix everything together." St.Pierre mixes Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, freestyle wrestling, and Muay Thai kickboxing. He pointed out that Canada, Montreal in particular, has good wrestlers, boxers, and very good submission fighters. He likes to train with the best around him and sometimes makes the six hour trip to New York City to train with a BJJ black belt at Renzo Gracie's gym.

 

St.Pierre has seen Karo fight and considers him "very good at submissions and very good in the clinch." He feels the winner of this fight may be the fighter that wins in the clinch. He added, "It is gonna be Judo verses wrestling. When he trains with Loiseau, he prefers to be in the worst position possible to prepare himself if that were to happen. Georges said, "I am prepared for anything, and is 100% confident in his power in the octagon."

 

- MMA weekly

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

RRR outside of watching the Pele fight not really a great deal. I've met the guy though. Met him at a local Thai kickboxing show here. I know he was walking about at least a stone heavier than what he fights at but he is one fucking big middleweight. Dispite the way he acts in interviews he was cool too.

 

 

He hits like a mule from what I can see and I believe Rivera who has a solid chin and equaly solid stand up is going to eat some bombs and get knocked out here.

 

 

I would'nt pick him at the moment against someone like Lindland with world class grappling but whoever is daft enough to trade standing with him is going to be in trouble.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

They may show the preliminary fight, depending on how good it is. I am holding out hope that they do.

I thought it's live, how can they decide to show a fight or not depending on how good it is?

[Styles 0]

They may show the preliminary fight, depending on how good it is.  I am holding out hope that they do.

I thought it's live, how can they decide to show a fight or not depending on how good it is?

I believe they tape the preliminary fights before the show goes live and show the best ones after the final live match if there's still time left in the PPV.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

They may show the preliminary fight, depending on how good it is.  I am holding out hope that they do.

I thought it's live, how can they decide to show a fight or not depending on how good it is?

I believe they tape the preliminary fights before the show goes live and show the best ones after the final live match if there's still time left in the PPV.

Ach, that makes no sense, you'd think that they would keep the main event last since it's well, the main event. It only screws people up.

 

Well just me.

[Styles 0]

They may show the preliminary fight, depending on how good it is.  I am holding out hope that they do.

I thought it's live, how can they decide to show a fight or not depending on how good it is?

I believe they tape the preliminary fights before the show goes live and show the best ones after the final live match if there's still time left in the PPV.

Ach, that makes no sense, you'd think that they would keep the main event last since it's well, the main event. It only screws people up.

 

Well just me.

Well, in a climatic sense, yes, but theoretically if all your fights go short, even with filler in between it would seem like a ripoff to end the show 40 to 60 minutes earlier than what you paid for, so consider it kind of like a bonus (or DVD extra fights if you will ) And conversly if they just aired all the prelim fights live and they went long, then technically they would run out of air time and be in a situation where the main fights aren't aired which would be much worse. Since wrestling is worked, they can work out all the times of the matches before hand so it all fits the allotted PPV time (well except that one time WCW Halloween Havoc went too long and many cable companies cut off the show before the main event....only in WCW....), but since this is a shoot you never know if a fight goes a 30 second knockout or the full 20 minute decision, so this is the safe way to do things while not cheating you out of anything.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

For example...the great fight on Shamrock/Ortiz between Phillip Miller and Mark Weir was a prelim fight that was later shown on the event. It wasn't last...but I think it aired just before the Main.

Edited January 24, 2004 by "Hail" bps21