Ranthology: Analysis of a roster

[AndrewTS 0]

L4W: Yeah. They didn't seem to be happy with what he COULD have been as a performer, and were more concerned with what they wanted him to be.

 

Instead of trying to play to the strengths of the guys they have, WWE tries to shove the people they do have into a mold of how they'd like that performer to be. If Vader had been up and coming in WWE now, he'd have never become as big as he was in WCW.

 

He'd have been forced to lose weight, conform to the standardized WWE big man moveset, talk regularly, never go to the top rope, and probably wouldn't be pushed even if he managed to get over because he's not that tall and he wasn't exactly a spring chicken when he started to come into his own.

 

For all of his faults as a booker, Heyman gets praise for taking a worker and using that worker's strengths to the fullest while trying to hide the weaknesses. For example, RVD was given a manager to cover for his bad mic skills, 911 hardly ever wrestled but he got pops for clearing the ring when the fans got pissed at some one, Spike beat big fat heels and bumped like an SOB, Dudleys were complete dickhead heels all the time, Bigelow was a monster heel who had plenty of guys to bump for him, Douglas ran his big fat mouth and used his injuries to help his heel character.

Edited January 21, 2004 by AndrewTS

[Lil' Bitch 0]

What joke gimmick????????

 

The one that's calling out Mick Foley???

 

No, "The Legend Killer" schtick they're trying to burn in my mind forever even though I'm not taking the gimmick seriously. Please do tell what legends Orton has been able to "kill" thus far?

 

One day, fans might be fans again, people who watch things might enjoy them again, and professional critics will hopefully know something about what there critiquing and get paid for it. It's a day I will wait for.

 

Well then, you should stick to waiting.

 

I'm convinced he said two. My problem was he out and out admitted he there something he preferred to do besides wrestling - and THAT bothered me.

 

Almost everyone has a life outside of their work environment. This includes wrestlers.

 

I have to agree with him on this one, the Orton hate is childish and predictable.

 

And the (Insert Wrestler Name Here) hate isn't?

 

Kane -Dead, deal with it. Which baffles me frankly.

 

Why? Just because he didn't win the title at Armageddon? I refuse to believe that because even though he got the big push last year and was hurt by the feud with Shane, he still has something going for him because

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IF he defeats The Undertaker at WM XX and ends the streak, that would ONLY help build his character to be even stronger. Logically, that act alone would cause reason for him to get into the main event picture again.

So I wouldn't pull the plug on him. Not now.

 

Right out of the gate, you make me laugh. Molly's a decent worker, and for a North American female wrestler, she's very good. However, the rest suck.

 

Add Victoria, Jazz, and Ivory next to Molly's name and I agree with you although it would be good / decent worker.

 

- Steiner I don't care about - but I like his character. Test is an interesting case

 

I don't like Test, but he did have a good match against Val Venis last year at the house show I went to along with that match on Heat one time. I'll give him that and I agree with you on the interesting case part.

 

I don't understand why I have the exact same attitude about RVD, and yet no-one's giving me shit about that.

 

Booker T's suffering from wear and tear so I can understand his reasoning. I can also understand RVD's point (although its not wear and tear). Rob has the right to bitch, but he's not going to leave just because he's not getting what he deserves although Goldberg might.

 

IC Champ: Rico. For four months

 

Shit, I'd be the happiest fan on the planet that day if he won that title even if it was for a short reign.

 

I'll take your word for it since I haven't had the chance to even SEE the poor guy (Paul London) yet.

 

This is one of many reasons why I suggest people to attend house shows as well as taped ones

Edited January 21, 2004 by Deon Dark

[Toxxic 0]

Well, basically Dave I disagree with you on virtually every point. But that's OK. You're allowed to be wrong. A few things i will pick up on:

 

The girls - fire them all, from a wrestling standpoint. None of them can wrestle as well as even the worst males, and there are several of them I'd like to see go. Victoria, Molly and Jazz can all do some moves well, but I have yet to see a single punch or clothesline thrown by a woman in WWE that looked real. And brawling is a lot of what they do.

 

Orton - you know, you're rather amusingly wrong. His ringwork is mediocre to average, his timing is very bad and his mic work is sloppy. He's still learning, yes, but he seems to know so little compared to how he's being pushed at the moment it's a damn good job. He's not hopeless or the worst thing ever seen in the WWE ring, but he's one of the worst to get such a big push so early in his career. Orton in 2-3 years may be a credible main eventer, but I'm not putting money on it, nor would I anticipate him being ready before that.

 

Jericho - could be given the title anytime, and it'd work. Won't happen, but the guy's bulletproof.

 

And I'd rather watch 10 minutes of high-flying generic cruiserweight action than 10 minutes of generic big man brawling. Or 20 minutes, or half an hour. The only cruiserweight i don't at least partially enjoy watching is Spike Dudley. Why? Because generic as they may be it's a) more impressive and b) they all have *something* their own (with the possible exception of Kidman). Matt Morgan and Heidenreich may have been separated at birth. I agree, London isn't the future of the WWE, but in my view he should be. I know he won't be, and i know he may not last long, but I'm going to enjoy him while he's there. There's a reason I like Velocity better than any other WWE broadcast.

[snuffbox 0]

dave might be the most succesful gimmick we've ever had here...hes gotten some great heat as 'the guy that teabags vince's nutz'.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Oh yeah, forgot about Jazz. Thanks, Mike.

[Tawren 0]

dave might be the most succesful gimmick we've ever had here...hes gotten some great heat as 'the guy that teabags vince's nutz'.

I'd call it heat as "the big fucking idiot" more than that.

[Toxxic 0]

Oh yeah, forgot about Jazz. Thanks, Mike.

No charge.

 

No, actually I want you to physically stop me from replying to anything that guy writes ever again. Don't ask me how - that's your responsibility.

 

But am I the only one here who has yet to see a single good punch thrown by a female wrestler in the WWE in recent years? Even Jazz?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Oh yeah, forgot about Jazz.  Thanks, Mike.

No charge.

 

No, actually I want you to physically stop me from replying to anything that guy writes ever again. Don't ask me how - that's your responsibility.

 

But am I the only one here who has yet to see a single good punch thrown by a female wrestler in the WWE in recent years? Even Jazz?

Even Chyna couldn't throw a punch, and she was half man.

[AndrewTS 0]

Oh yeah, forgot about Jazz.  Thanks, Mike.

As did I. Bad sign?

 

I don't think Ivory's any good. She's not the worst, but I wouldn't call her a good worker.

 

Also, don't get me wrong: I like Victoria. I really like her. I can't honestly say I think she's a good worker either, though. For as briefly as she was trained and how much experience she has, she's exceptional, but it isn't really possible for someone like that to become a good worker for a while.

 

The girls - fire them all, from a wrestling standpoint. None of them can wrestle as well as even the worst males, and there are several of them I'd like to see go.

 

I'd dispute the "none of them can wrestle as well as even the worst males." Even so, I'm positive that Trish and Victoria have more heat, more fan interest, and draw higher ratings than a typical Henry/Test stinkfest.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

No, "The Legend Killer" schtick they're trying to burn in my mind forever even though I'm not taking the gimmick seriously. Please do tell what legends Orton has been able to "kill" thus far?

 

You make a good point, but that isn't Orton's fault that WWE have only made him 'kill' the most powerful legend in wrestling ... MAE YOUNG !

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

Also, if they CAN hit **** without trying, what the fuck happened at Armageddon, in that 3 Stages of Hell (for the viewer) fiasco? They must REALLY have not being trying that day.

I already bashed that match, it went for five hours and bored the shit out of me - If you actually read my posts and didn't just spew abuse like Tawren, you'd see that