Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted January 31, 2004 To be fair, it was made pretty clear by Evolution that Orton was only there to protect HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 No, it was clear to HHH and Flair. Orton had some doubts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Eddie stumbles on his words a lot, as does Angle, considering they've been around doing that for a good 4-5 years now and Orton for less than 1, I fail to see where that can be held against him. I'm not an Orton hater (I don't like RAW much at all right now, so Randy won't make it WORSE), but his promos when they're not taped are just horrid. He seems to stumble over his words all of the time. And the utter lack of anything resembling emotion makes them tedious to deal with. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Trish ran out and tried to beat Test up and Test through her towards Nash. Thank you for making points for me. There was a midcard heel that cheated to beat HBK last year? Who? I seriously can't believe that you say that because he cheated to beat Shawn-Something the top three heels on the show had to do- he wasn't getting a push. I'm wondering how you think cheating to beat HBK is some sort of big deal? Orton got his wins in the most unconvincing ways, it was nothing but gettig him over as a heel and noticed, simple things done for a lot of people done in the WWE, who luckily aren't named Randy Orton. But yeah, I'd love to hear how those wins were some sort of big push. I guess RVD's gotten a couple huge rubs from Triple H too right? So, Austin, the face, put back up in the match for the heel champ? He must have been drunk. And all the "Top five contenders for the belt against HHH" business? And Flair having to eliminate any thoughts of seriously competing from Orton? If randy was a non-threat, why bother? Austin knew Orton was cocky enough to consider gunning for the title, the promo's after it and everything that happened in the match supported the idea that at this point Randy was simply part of Evolution. No, it was clear to HHH and Flair. Orton had some doubts. And when it turned out in the match he simply helped Triple H it signaled the end of those doubts. Simple cocky young heel character traits that were eventually sacrificed for the strength of a stable. How the hell is that a push? Maybe an evolution push.... I'm not an Orton hater (I don't like RAW much at all right now, so Randy won't make it WORSE), but his promos when they're not taped are just horrid. He seems to stumble over his words all of the time. And the utter lack of anything resembling emotion makes them tedious to deal with. Seriously, it's that kind of exaggeration that makes this whole thing annoying. If an Orton promo is horrid, then what is a Benoit promo? Slightly below mediocre to be generous? Is there a word for an A-train promo, which even has the luxury of being taped? Your not being realistic with your description, he's young, he's got a lot going for him in basic demeanor and tone, and with experience he can really be something. He certainly doesn't stumble over his words all the time, he's done it a couple times, a noticable amount, which of course is taken the extreme, just like saying "anything resembling emotion" when you know in truth there's no way that can be right. And 'deal with'? How do you deal with a promo? Like I said, with legit experience he could be great, but of course that would mean giving him time, but because everyone seems convinced he's getting some sort of super-push the likes of Triple H himself simply because he's moved up in part of a stable, that won't happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 I'm not going to get bogged down in this because I'm more of an Orton 'fan' than 95% of the board, and I don't want to have the same conversation I've had many times before on Orton. But to Ghetto...I remember the last A-Train 'promo', and he actually has a good promoing voice. Angry, but not Harley Race over the top angry...I still can't get into his promos...and he doesn't trip over his words like Orton. It's understandable considering who he's talking to/against. I'd be nervous and trip over words if I was on live TV talking to Ric Falir for Christ sake. But Orton could be a lot better in his promos with some voice coaching and acting lessons and stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 (edited) Trish ran out and tried to beat Test up and Test through her towards Nash. Thank you for making points for me. That being? I'm wondering how you think cheating to beat HBK is some sort of big deal? Becuse the man jobs five times a year and never cleanly. That put Orton with the elite of Raw. In fact, Orton's win over Shawn (Unforgiven) was a lot more convincing than Jericho, HHH and Flair's wins where someone basically had to do the all work for them (Ironically, 2 out of 3 times it was Orton, but that's besides the point) I guess RVD's gotten a couple huge rubs from Triple H too right? RVD pinned HHH in a singles match? Austin knew Orton was cocky enough to consider gunning for the title, the promo's after it and everything that happened in the match supported the idea that at this point Randy was simply part of Evolution. Incuding the one where Flair had to shoot Orton's hopes down? Another thing. If this was simply to give HHH back up and in no way shape or form push Randy into the upper echelon, why not make Flair the sixth man? And when it turned out in the match he simply helped Triple H it signaled the end of those doubts.. Were Orton and Triple H even competing in the mach at the same time? Edited January 31, 2004 by Anglesault Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 I'd be nervous and trip over words if I was on live TV talking to Ric Falir for Christ sake. But Orton could be a lot better in his promos with some voice coaching and acting lessons and stuff. Uhuh. And "I'll start what I finished?" The aura of Terri? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 But to Ghetto...I remember the last A-Train 'promo', and he actually has a good promoing voice. Angry, but not Harley Race over the top angry...I still can't get into his promos...and he doesn't trip over his words like Orton. He has a good voice, not very unique or anything but good, he just doesn't have much acting ability. He's scripted and forced and just always comes off as unbelievable. Orton has a uniqueness to his voice that makes him more believable and he knows how to use his voice better in terms of delivery. That being? That being, Orton being higher than Test right now and a DIRTY win over Nash by Test a while back somehow equals Nash and Orton being on the same level is simply retarded. Becuse the man jobs five times a year and never cleanly. That put Orton with the elite of Raw. In fact, Orton's win over Shawn (Unforgiven) was a lot more convincing than Jericho, HHH and Flair's wins where someone basically had to do the all work for them (Ironically, 2 out of 3 times it was Orton, but that's besides the point) Yes, a man who was retired due to injuries 6 years ago is really the type of guy who can really put a guy over with heelish wins. Oh wait, no, no he's not. And how was Orton's win more convincing, and which one? The one where it took Flair and 5 brass knuck shots to take down HBK, or the one where it took Flair, Batista, an RKO on a steel chair and interference from Jericho to get a pin? Which one of those made Orton look like a threat on his own against HBK? RVD pinned HHH in a singles match? No, which is pretty much the point I was going for. Incuding the one where Flair had to shoot Orton's hopes down? Another thing. If this was simply to give HHH back up and in no way shape or form push Randy into the upper echelon, why not make Flair the sixth man? Of course that promo, what ended up happening from that? Did he listen? Yes, which shows he was more focused on being part of the stable when it was all said and done. And they didn't put Flair in there because Austin knew he'd have no doubt about helping Triple H, Orton on the other hand would. Simple really. Were Orton and Triple H even competing in the mach at the same time? No I'm pretty sure Triple H looked on proudly and gave signs of approval when Orton was on offense. I'm pretty sure I didn't miss Orton signalling he was going to take Triple H's title.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 That being, Orton being higher than Test right now and a DIRTY win over Nash by Test a while back somehow equals Nash and Orton being on the same level is simply retarded. I don't think it was such an incredibally dirty finish, but if you say so. And how was Orton's win more convincing, and which one? The one where it took Flair and 5 brass knuck shots to take down HBK, How was Orton using brass knucks more convincing than Orton basically winning the matches for Jericho and especially Flair? No idea Of course that promo, what ended up happening from that? Did he listen? Yes, Actually, we have no idea. Since there was never any interaction between HHH and Orton, we don't know what his ultimate intentions were. No I'm pretty sure Triple H looked on proudly and gave signs of approval when Orton was on offense. I'm pretty sure I didn't miss Orton signalling he was going to take Triple H's title Well, by golly, he didn't rush HHH's chamber, break the glass and strangle Hunter into unconciousness, so he MUST have been in HHH's pocket. That proves nothing. All it says is that HHH thought Orton was helping him, which I never disputed. He didn't do anything to "help" HHH that couldn't be construed as trying to win the match for himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 The finish was incredibly dirty, it was just dirty, which means your point was shit. Oh so now your interpretation of what could of happened is proof of what!?!? He and Triple H were on the same page, if there intent was ever making you think otherwise they would of done something from it further, instead right after it Evolution was a tight nit stable with no problems. Do the math. And yes, Orton interfering in matches that are already mostly over is a sure sign Orton is on the same level as HBK. It was getting over him as a heel and there fued, obviously. Your really taking this to a level where I'm not gonna bother anymore, your new nickname should be stretch armstrong.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Oh so now your interpretation of what could of happened is proof of what!?!? .... Oh so now your interpretation of what could of happened is proof of what!?!? He and Triple H were on the same page, if there intent was ever making you think otherwise they would of done something from it further But he did nothing to help HHH like you were screaming he did. He also never gave us any indication that his doubts over winning he match for HHH were settled. I got the impession that he was playing both sides, like Angle did in 01 Winner take All. If he was eliminated, so be it, things would stay the same. If he wasn't, he'd gun for the belt. And yes, Orton interfering in matches that are already mostly over is a sure sign Orton is on the same level as HBK. It was getting over him as a heel and there fued, obviously. What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted February 1, 2004 New rule, if you don't remember the points you made, don't even speak on the issue any more. And since when is the way you see it a sure sign of this gigantic push? What happen in terms of disention with evolution after the promo with Flair? If the answer isn't they furthered the rift during and after the match, your point is moot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2004 New rule, if you don't remember the points you made, don't even speak on the issue any more. And since when is the way you see it a sure sign of this gigantic push? What happen in terms of disention with evolution after the promo with Flair? If the answer isn't they furthered the rift during and after the match, your point is moot. New rule. If you don't actually believe what you say and you are only saying it to disagree....then shut the fuck up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 1, 2004 New rule, if you don't remember the points you made, don't even speak on the issue any more. I never made a point on Orton's interfence affecting Orton. I was saying that both Jericho and Flair had an outside party win the match for them while Orton used his own weapon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 1, 2004 If the answer isn't they furthered the rift during and after the match, your point is moot. They also never resolved the problem. As much as he never gave any indication that he would turn on HHH, he never gave any impression that he would. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted February 1, 2004 what are you all talking about? Orton's promos rule it! Didn't you read the link I gave you? "As a performer his game is well rounded, sharp and ever improving, bolstered immensely by superb talking skills and a smug, self-assured and cocky demeanour that draws natural heat"-Nigel Law, who writes for the Wrestling Observer website. Yes...he is talking about Randy Orton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted February 1, 2004 "I never made a point on Orton's interfence affecting Orton. I was saying that both Jericho and Flair had an outside party win the match for them while Orton used his own weapon." No, Orton had both, Flair and knucks. The second time it took 3 OTHER people to help him beat HBK. By that comparison Flair and Jericho had less help. "They also never resolved the problem. As much as he never gave any indication that he would turn on HHH, he never gave any impression that he would. " Of course they resolved the problem, if there was a problem, and there isn't anymore, what does that mean? Problems been resolved. The only indication in that match at all was that they were on the same page with HHH giving Orton his approval and Orton nodding back while he was on offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2004 New rule, if you don't remember the points you made, don't even speak on the issue any more. And since when is the way you see it a sure sign of this gigantic push? What happen in terms of disention with evolution after the promo with Flair? If the answer isn't they furthered the rift during and after the match, your point is moot. New rule. If you don't actually believe what you say and you are only saying it to disagree....then shut the fuck up. New rule - Don't be a jerkface! Just playin', Dama. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted February 1, 2004 Good rule Dama, I agree totally! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2004 Good rule Dama, I agree totally! Good....so I'll keep talking because my opinion is my own and I truly believe it and you can go somewhere else since you only speak to piss others off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted February 1, 2004 Where did you get that idea from? Or is it easier to write off valid opinions that way? Hmmm.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2004 Good rule Dama, I agree totally! Good....so I'll keep talking because my opinion is my own and I truly believe it and you can go somewhere else since you only speak to piss others off. Of course it's your fucking opinion, who else's would it be? Just playin', Dama. Credit: Best Website in the Universe UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2004 Where did you get that idea from? Or is it easier to write off valid opinions that way? Hmmm.... Oh your response in HD pretty much validated the fact that you say things just to piss people off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted February 1, 2004 Getting a joke isn't something your good at is it? Bad enough you don't get it, but to take it to another level because it fits with your arguement, despite the fact that, well, THAT WAS THE JOKE, is just plain silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
