what matches are overrated/underrated

[Guest BrokenWings]

Underrated:

 

Benoit -v- Matt Hardy; where Hardy gets his nose busted open and then gets intense and IIRC, gives Benoit three side effects. Great match, but got lost in the shuffle of the Smackdown Six.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Is Andre/Hulk praised for "One of the best matches ever" because of Hogan's bodyslam?

 

This is one of the worst matches I've ever seen.

Not by anybody who isn't on the WWE payroll.

 

It was a legendary match, not a good match. Kind of like Foley/Taker in HIAC.

Edited February 6, 2004 by Kahran Ramsus

[Tawren 0]

Underrated:

 

Benoit -v- Matt Hardy; where Hardy gets his nose busted open and then gets intense and IIRC, gives Benoit three side effects. Great match, but got lost in the shuffle of the Smackdown Six.

Agreed. Great match with incredible heat.

 

Ray, I put the Owen/Bret WMX match at ***1/2. Overrated by most, still a great WWF match worth seeing. I like the match. But so much stuff is so much better.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

flair/steamboat-both of there 94 matches are awesome and they get no credit.they may not be the best matches of all time but how could they.i still rate spring stampede at 4 1/2 and the wcwsn match at 4 3/4.

They don't get credit for a good reason, they suck. Watching Spring Stampede is like watching paint dry, paint that drys very, very slowly. They just lay around in holds forever, not working them, not getting anything meaningful out of them, just laying around with their thumbs up their asses. The "boring" chants were never more deserving. Bret/Owen and Micheals/Ramon both smoke it. That's not even getting into the international scene that was busy creating real ****1/2 matches.

 

The Saturday Night match was better, but not that much better. It's funny see to them totally reinact the finish of Masacras/Destroyer 75, other than that, the match is pretty worthless.

[Guest]

This is one of the worst matches I've ever seen.

How many matches have you seen?

[Coffin Surfer 0]

Oh, and there's nothing wrong with the knee work in Owen/Bret it's just totally misplaced, and no it wasn't in the beginning it was in the final minutes.

 

Midway through the match Owen hits an awesome string of hot nearfalls that were all set up incredibly well. But after that hot segment that should of lead to the ending, Owen busts out this long leg work segment. Bret sells the leg well, but it still never comes off as a threat, particurally when he just powers out of the Sharpshooter after spending a long time in it. So for lengthly non threatening leg work, it shouldn't have been placed at the end of the match, where you know, threatening moves should be coming into play.

 

Other than that it's good match, nothing great, but it's still good for a WWF match.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Underrated:

 

Benoit -v- Matt Hardy; where Hardy gets his nose busted open and then gets intense and IIRC, gives Benoit three side effects. Great match, but got lost in the shuffle of the Smackdown Six.

Agreed. Great match with incredible heat.

 

Ray, I put the Owen/Bret WMX match at ***1/2. Overrated by most, still a great WWF match worth seeing. I like the match. But so much stuff is so much better.

Not to start another argument, but I thought in the stars rating a "great match" was ****+.

[chaosrage 0]

Bret Hart/Diesel from RR 95: They had a MUCH better match at SSeries, and all the run ins automatically make it *** or less to me.

What, SS95 was just Diesel squashing Bret until he wins with a roll up. I hate that match.

 

Overrated

Hogan/Andre

Flair/Steamboat - wrestlewar

 

Underrated

Bret/Owen - Summerslam, much better than wrestlemania

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Bret Hart/Diesel from RR 95: They had a MUCH better match at SSeries, and all the run ins automatically make it *** or less to me.

What, SS95 was just Diesel squashing Bret until he wins with a roll up. I hate that match.

 

Overrated

Hogan/Andre

Flair/Steamboat - wrestlewar

 

Underrated

Bret/Owen - Summerslam, much better than wrestlemania

It was a good David vs. Goliath match I thought, where Bret did everything he could to stop Diesel even by going toe to toe. He knew he couldn't win like that, so he had to out-smart him, which he did. Plus it had the FIRST EVER Main Evbent table breaking.

[chaosrage 0]

It was a good David vs. Goliath match I thought, where Bret did everything he could to stop Diesel even by going toe to toe. He knew he couldn't win like that, so he had to out-smart him, which he did. Plus it had the FIRST EVER Main Evbent table breaking.

But he was going toe to toe with him just like that at RR and KOTR by taking out his legs. He even had most of the offense. This is why I think Shawn/Diesel from Good friends better enemies is a little bit overrated too. The WM match wasn't as much of a squash. Shawn was just fast and Diesel couldn't catch up to him.

[Guest Besus]

This is one of the worst matches I've ever seen.

How many matches have you seen?

When I watch a match,I don't think or say "Ok,this is match #100 I've seen".

 

I don't know.

[Papacita 0]

It was a good David vs. Goliath match I thought, where Bret did everything he could to stop Diesel even by going toe to toe. He knew he couldn't win like that, so he had to out-smart him, which he did. Plus it had the FIRST EVER Main Evbent table breaking.

But he was going toe to toe with him just like that at RR and KOTR by taking out his legs. He even had most of the offense. This is why I think Shawn/Diesel from Good friends better enemies is a little bit overrated too. The WM match wasn't as much of a squash. Shawn was just fast and Diesel couldn't catch up to him.

The difference was that both matches were No Holds Barred, and with Diesel being a brawler, that plays more to his advantage, which is why he dominated both. Both matches told great stories, and I marked like hell when Bret won the title again.

[Tawren 0]

Underrated:

 

Benoit -v- Matt Hardy; where Hardy gets his nose busted open and then gets intense and IIRC, gives Benoit three side effects. Great match, but got lost in the shuffle of the Smackdown Six.

Agreed. Great match with incredible heat.

 

Ray, I put the Owen/Bret WMX match at ***1/2. Overrated by most, still a great WWF match worth seeing. I like the match. But so much stuff is so much better.

Not to start another argument, but I thought in the stars rating a "great match" was ****+.

Meh. To me, anything worth seeing (not counting historical value Andre/Hogan etc.) is ***1/2+. ****+ is a fan-fucking-tastic match.

 

That's how I grade.

[Guest Anglesault]

Over Rated:

 

Test/kane No Mercy 01.

 

One of the worst matches of 01, and people have gone as far as *1/2 on this piece of crap.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Over Rated:

 

Test/kane No Mercy 01.

 

One of the worst matches of 01, and people have gone as far as *1/2 on this piece of crap.

It was bad, but I thought Taker&Kane/Triad, Sarataker/DDP, and Taker&Kane/Kronik were worse, if only because they perfectly symbolized what was wrong with the Invasion.

 

Test/Kane was awful, but it didn't mean anything.

Edited February 7, 2004 by Kahran Ramsus

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Kane/Test shockingly had a hot crowd, so it couldm't have been that bad.

 

 

I'll throw in the 10 Tag Team Survivor Series Match from 1987 as Over-Rated: I hear people say it's great, but once all the star power is gone, it's very dull, and just drags.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Kane/Test shockingly had a hot crowd, so it couldm't have been that bad.

 

The hottest crowd in history did not make Andre/Hulk good, and the worst crowd did not diminish Benoit/Malenko. Crowd heat should not impact the quality of a match.

[Michrome 0]

Let's just do this year:

 

Every Brock-Angle match: There was no depth to these matches, they didn't play up "learning" spots well at all, there was no psychology, they were slow, and nothing more than suplexfests. The best was Mania, at **3/4

 

Guerrera-Hart from TNA: The ratings I saw this recieve were just obscene. It was a bunch of flipping around with big moves in lieu of a match. If this is ****+, all those NJ Juniors matches must be 400 stars. **

 

The TNA Cage match: Just loaded with contrived spots and really sloppy work. The only upside was the blood, and the cool finish too. *3/4

 

This year's survivor series Raw match. Poor work almost the whole way through this, and way too much sports entertainment. It didn't even get past "meh" until Shawn was the only one left, and a good bladejob with some hot nearfalls doesn't make a match great. **1/2, all for Shawn's performance.

[Guest]

Let's just do this year:

 

Every Brock-Angle match: There was no depth to these matches, they didn't play up "learning" spots well at all, there was no psychology, they were slow, and nothing more than suplexfests. The best was Mania, at **3/4

 

Guerrera-Hart from TNA: The ratings I saw this recieve were just obscene. It was a bunch of flipping around with big moves in lieu of a match. If this is ****+, all those NJ Juniors matches must be 400 stars. **

 

The TNA Cage match: Just loaded with contrived spots and really sloppy work. The only upside was the blood, and the cool finish too. *3/4

 

This year's survivor series Raw match. Poor work almost the whole way through this, and way too much sports entertainment. It didn't even get past "meh" until Shawn was the only one left, and a good bladejob with some hot nearfalls doesn't make a match great. **1/2, all for Shawn's performance.

I agree with the Brock-Angle ratings but outside of that......you are full of shit.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Let's just do this year:

 

Every Brock-Angle match:  There was no depth to these matches, they didn't play up "learning" spots well at all, there was no psychology, they were slow, and nothing more than suplexfests.  The best was Mania, at **3/4

 

Guerrera-Hart from TNA:  The ratings I saw this recieve were just obscene.  It was a bunch of flipping around with big moves in lieu of a match.  If this is ****+, all those NJ Juniors matches must be 400 stars.  **

 

The TNA Cage match:  Just loaded with contrived spots and really sloppy work.  The only upside was the blood, and the cool finish too.  *3/4

 

This year's survivor series Raw match.  Poor work almost the whole way through this, and way too much sports entertainment.  It didn't even get past "meh" until Shawn was the only one left, and a good bladejob with some hot nearfalls doesn't make a match great.  **1/2, all for Shawn's performance.

I agree with the Brock-Angle ratings but outside of that......you are full of shit.

I second the statement of you being full of shit.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Kane/Test shockingly had a hot crowd, so it couldm't have been that bad.

 

The hottest crowd in history did not make Andre/Hulk good, and the worst crowd did not diminish Benoit/Malenko. Crowd heat should not impact the quality of a match.

That's true, but a hot crowd usually has me into the match even if the match is bad or not. a dead crowd for a bad match though is hell on earth.

[Guest]

ex of bad match with no heat =boring: every Randy Orton match.

[cbacon 0]

Over-rated: Flair/Race 83. Zzzzzz

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

Overrated:

HBK/Nash - Good Friends, Better Enemies

HBK/Ramon - WM10

Flair/Steamboat - Wrestlewar(the worst of the 3 by FAR)

Flair/Sting - Clash 27(the one on the DVD)

 

Underrated:

Bret/Nash - RR95

Bret/Flair - Souled Out 98

Savage/DDP - Halloween Havoc 97(whole feud is underrated)

Sting/Giant - Slamboree 96(arguably Giant/Show's best match)

Sting/Meng - GAB95(arguably Meng/Haku's best match)

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

ex of bad match with no heat =boring: every Randy Orton match.

Yeah, but Taker/Kane from Mania XIV is a bad match with good heat and is still boring. Orton matches are boring because they are bad matches, not because of the heat.

[Guest]

Yeah, but Taker/Kane from Mania XIV is a bad match with good heat and is still boring. Orton matches are boring because they are bad matches, not because of the heat.

Very true, actually just watched that.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I never thought Kane/UT was that bad, I actually enjoyed. Maybe cause I marked for both guys at the time and enjoyed the build up....except for the magic lightning.

[Guest]

It's not, its just that the no-selling of the Tombstones really got annoying.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

It's not, its just that the no-selling of the Tombstones really got annoying.

Considering Kane had (has) super-natural powers, it's not too hard to believe.

[Guest]

I don't care what he has. It was still annoying. You could say Hogan vs Rock I goes in the same category.