A good reason to own guns in the home

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you, too, are completely missing the argument at hand. I'm not saying we should ban anything. The topic you're posting in is: "A good reason to own guns in the home"

 

My counter-argument is: "It's not a good thing to keep guns in your house."

You haven't begun to argue. You've patronised people left and right, you've whined and cried like the limp-wristed sissy-boy you are, and you've drawn idiotic conclusions from anecdotal evidence. Prove that it's the guns rather than the parents that are at fault in any one of your stories. Prove it, or shut your yap.

wow...youd think this poster was a puppet employee of king george II er something

[Guest BDC]

Okay, so when we get irrresponsible parents, it's the fault of guns? Whatever. Like Marney said, how many households have firearms across the nation?

 

If the incidents that were brought up had a little bit of parental responsibility attached to them then the stories would be different, but no, since no one took the time and effort in that household, then guns should be banned in the US. Great, just great.

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who said guns should be banned in the us??

[Guest MikeSC]

So she's one of the small percentage that has the guns fire for the reason she bought them and she didn't end up killing a family member or innocent bystander, big deal.

 

Frankly I'd rather have half blind old women killed than to have them wildly firing rounds off.

Care to provide anything resembling evidence to back that assertion up?

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm not. If you own a gun you better damn well make sure a kid can't get ahold of the thing. It still doesn't mean every kid is going to go shoot himself just because the parents happen to own guns. People need to be responsible and lock them up if there are young hands about.

 

And after all, that ensures that these kids won't be able to get ahold of one at, say, the babysitter's house or when you're not home and they decide to go on a scavenger hunt through daddy's dresser.

 

Your argument about gun control is an entirely different issue. The topic, as Rant clearly framed it, is "why it's a good thing to keep a gun in your house." You're down the hall. Come back to us.

 

 

EDIT: fixed a grammatical error. Pardon.

Gee, using this logic, parents shouldn't have alcohol OR cars in their house because kids might get into it, drink the alcohol, go driving and kill somebody.

-=Mike

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How about parents do what my dad did?

 

He has 6 shotguns, three handguns and a old fashioned six shooter and not once did I play with them. You know why? Cause he didn't pretend the guns didn't exist like some parents like to do. He explained guns kill, they aren't toys nor are they ever to be considered toys. They are dangerous and I should never touch them unless I want to be seriously hurt.

 

It's simple, you actually TALK to the damn kid instead of saying "Gun is bad, don't touch."

 

And banning guns isn't going to stop people from getting guns. I'm for the banning of assault rifles but handguns and shotguns should be allowed to be owned.

 

Yes, I've had a family member shot to death (very close in fact) and no I'm not against guns nor will I ever be against guns.

[Guest MikeSC]

to all the heston fanboys out there....when someone you know is murdered with a handgun, or someone you know kills himself with a hangun, or when someone you know is accidentally killed by a handgun...your gung-ho gi joe attitudes might change.

When your grandmother finds her life saved when she simply points a gun at an attacker, your tone might change.

How many 4 year olds do you know that have enough of a sense of right and wrong to be able to understand that guns shouldn't be pointed and shot at their friends? If you teach the 4 year old (or under, for that matter) kid that guns can hurt people, etc., how developed is their sense of right and wrong that this should even MATTER to them?

The parents were irresponsible.

Oh right, your superchildren understand it.

 

The obvious argument is that for every ONE of these stories (yes, the story about which this topic was originally intended), there's ten stories like the two I posted.

You know why?

 

Because "Person Wields Gun Without Firing and Drives Off Criminal" doesn't make good copy, usually. Those stories happen ridiculously frequently.

 

Isn't it ironic that the places with the strictest gun control have MUCH higher gun crime numbers than states with extremely loose gun control laws?

 

Gun possession LOWERS crime. When muggers don't know who is and who is not armed, they will be LESS likely to mug. When rapists don't know if a woman is packing, they will be LESS likely to rape.

Gee, that's a great ratio, isn't it?

Basing a conclusion on press coverage is sub-moronic.

So yes, let's keep guns in our house so that, on the off-chance that someone happens to break into our house and threaten us, we'll have 1/10th of a chance of saving our family. When in reality, it's 10 times more likely that our kids will find the gun and shoot them/their friends than the aforementioned scenerio ever even happening.

 

But yeah, go NRA!

Care to provide ANY evidence of that?

 

And damn that NRA for, you know, protecting a Constitutional right. They SHOULD be fighting to protect NAMBLA from having their entire membership arrested. THAT would make them good and decent.

By the way, my interest in arguing this topic with you has already been far outweighed by the amount of time I've spent doing it. Peace, love, and violence, madam!

Yup, because people who support guns just LOVE violence, huh?

Will he still be a "limp-wristed sissy-boy" if he buys and shoots a gun?

No?

Shut the fuck up.

Will he still be one?

 

Based on some of his whining, probably.

-=Mike

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How many 4 year olds do you know that have enough of a sense of right and wrong to be able to understand that guns shouldn't be pointed and shot at their friends?

Four year-olds aren't cat burglars. If an adult can't keep dangerous objects out of the reach of a four year-old, that adult is clinically brain-dead.

 

If you teach the 4 year old (or under, for that matter) kid that guns can hurt people, etc., how developed is their sense of right and wrong that this should even MATTER to them?

Any child capable of getting something that a responsible, intelligent adult has locked away is old enough to know right from wrong.

 

Oh right, your superchildren understand it.

Yeah, if you define an eight year-old who understands that killing people = bad as a "superchild." I define her as normal, but maybe you're drawing from your own experiences and didn't catch on to such subtle moral nuances until a more advanced age. What are you now? Nine?

 

The obvious argument is that for every ONE of these stories (yes, the story about which this topic was originally intended), there's ten stories like the two I posted. Gee, that's a great ratio, isn't it?

You really think that comparing the numbers of anecdotes recited to support each side in a debate makes ANY difference to the facts and the statistics involved? Any difference at all? Wow, I didn't know you were this stupid.

 

So yes, let's keep guns in our house so that, on the off-chance that someone happens to break into our house and threaten us, we'll have 1/10th of a chance of saving our family. When in reality, it's 10 times more likely that our kids will find the gun and shoot them/their friends than the aforementioned scenerio ever even happening.

Please show me the figures you used to reach these probabilities.

 

By the way, my interest in arguing this topic with you has already been far outweighed by the amount of time I've spent doing it.

The time you've spent also far outweighs your knowledge of basic statistics, respect for the Constitution, and common sense, evidently. But I knew that already.

[Firestarter 0]

Will he still be a "limp-wristed sissy-boy" if he buys and shoots a gun?

Yes.

 

Shut the fuck up

No.

[Anorak 0]

Do you have kids with all of those guns in the house?

 

No?

 

Oh.

My eight year-old niece stays with us about three nights a week on average. She's got her own air pistol and we take her to the firing range at the NRA building once a week to practice with a real weapon. Her current ambition is to earn her NRA Junior Marksman badge before Christmas.

An 8 year old at a firing range? What a lovely image that is, warms the cockles of your heart it does.

[spiny norman 0]

I live in Australia.

 

Guns are under incredibly strict control in Australia, and an overwhelming majority of Australians don't own guns.

 

Gun crime rates are incredibly low.

 

Give me a good reason to own a gun in my home.

[Guest MikeSC]

I live in Australia.

 

Guns are under incredibly strict control in Australia, and an overwhelming majority of Australians don't own guns.

 

Gun crime rates are incredibly low.

 

Give me a good reason to own a gun in my home.

If you don't want to, then don't. I'm not sure why I should care.

-=Mike

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Do you have kids with all of those guns in the house?

 

No?

 

Oh.

My eight year-old niece stays with us about three nights a week on average. She's got her own air pistol and we take her to the firing range at the NRA building once a week to practice with a real weapon. Her current ambition is to earn her NRA Junior Marksman badge before Christmas.

An 8 year old at a firing range? What a lovely image that is, warms the cockles of your heart it does.

you watch your mouth! that person works for bush...you dont go talking like that or youll be hauled in, you terrorist supporting bleeding heart bastard!

[Downhome 0]

I would just like to say that I am FOR the banning of both bathtubs and plastic water buckets, seeing how more children five and under are killed each year by drowning in one of those two items, more so than they are killed by guns.

 

Who's going to join me in my quest to ban tubs and buckets? If not an outright ban, then damnit, stricter regulations!

[Guest MikeSC]

you watch your mouth! that person works for bush...you dont go talking like that or youll be hauled in, you terrorist supporting bleeding heart bastard!

OR, she's making sure the child knows how to handle a gun safely.

 

Would you stick a kid in a car on the interstate for their very first driving lesson?

-=Mike

[Slayer 0]

I live in Australia.

 

Guns are under incredibly strict control in Australia, and an overwhelming majority of Australians don't own guns.

 

Gun crime rates are incredibly low.

 

Give me a good reason to own a gun in my home.

To change the subject along the same lines (re: guns in Australia), I'm curious to how Aussies feel about this:

 

Martin Bryant: guilty or framed?

[NoCalMike 0]

WTF do you need 7 guns in yer house for?

[Guest MikeSC]

I would just like to say that I am FOR the banning of both bathtubs and plastic water buckets, seeing how more children five and under are killed each year by drowning in one of those two items, more so than they are killed by guns.

 

Who's going to join me in my quest to ban tubs and buckets? If not an outright ban, then damnit, stricter regulations!

"Ban Bathtubs --- because cleanliness is next to DEATH!"

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

WTF do you need 7 guns in yer house for?

To keep the King of England from pushing you around.

[Firestarter 0]

And it's a total of 12, anyway.

[snuffbox 0]

And it's a total of 12, anyway.

hell yea!...those redcoats will never get your family will they! good for you!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Anorak 0]

I would just like to say that I am FOR the banning of both bathtubs and plastic  water buckets, seeing how more children five and under are killed each year by drowning in one of those two items, more so than they are killed by guns.

 

Who's going to join me in my quest to ban tubs and buckets? If not an outright ban, then damnit, stricter regulations!

LOL!!! OMG, that was some funny shit!! And totally original and unpredictable as well. Seriously, there's only about 4-5 other people in this folder who would have written exactly the same post. Respect.

[snuffbox 0]

I would just like to say that I am FOR the banning of both bathtubs and plastic water buckets, seeing how more children five and under are killed each year by drowning in one of those two items, more so than they are killed by guns.

 

Who's going to join me in my quest to ban tubs and buckets? If not an outright ban, then damnit, stricter regulations!

see, the busheston gang could use this...

 

but they gung-ho the marijuana war...a plant which kills a tragic ZERO people year

[Guest Anglesault]

to all the heston fanboys out there....when someone you know is murdered with a handgun, or someone you know kills himself with a hangun,

Just something I want to point out. If someone is genuinely set on killing themselves or someone else, they're not going to give up because they don't have a gun.

[2GOLD 0]

to all the heston fanboys out there....when someone you know is murdered with a handgun, or someone you know kills himself with a hangun,

Just something I want to point out. If someone is genuinely set on killing themselves or someone else, they're not going to give up because they don't have a gun.

 

Also, someone I know DID kill themselves with a handgun.

My brother in fact.

 

But I should blame the gun right? Because clearly, he couldn't have used a knife or pills or a rope instead.

 

So don't even try that bs with me cause I don't want to hear it. I spent five years of my life recovering from the trauma of that death and not at one time did I blame the gun.

 

Blaming the gun just is another way of taking responsibility out of society.

 

If you don't like guns, fine.

 

Oh and I'm not a republican or a Bush supporter before you try that one. I'm also not a member of the NRA.

[SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0]

Just something I want to point out. If someone is genuinely set on killing themselves or someone else, they're not going to give up because they don't have a gun.

I disagree. I believe that if a gun is not availible, then the killing may be set off in one way or another. Also, Its more likely someone will be killed "accidentally" with a gun than with a knife(This is prob. not true) or any other type of weapon. Also, if someones going to kill someone either way, what do you purpose??? Gun ban?

[MrRant 0]

Just something I want to point out. If someone is genuinely set on killing themselves or someone else, they're not going to give up because they don't have a gun.

I disagree. I believe that if a gun is not availible, then the killing may be set off in one way or another. Also, Its more likely someone will be killed "accidentally" with a gun than with a knife(This is prob. not true) or any other type of weapon. Also, if someones going to kill someone either way, what do you purpose??? Gun ban?

Huh?

[Vern Gagne 0]

and that brings the number of good reasons up to '1'

You call yourself a liberatarian. All libertarian's I know are strong supporters of the 2nd amendment.

[2GOLD 0]

and that brings the number of good reasons up to '1'

You call yourself a liberatarian. All libertarian's I know are strong supporters of the 2nd amendment.

 

He must be the Bill Maher type.

Which is not an insult.

[EricMM 0]

I have myself been, shall we say, accosted by someone with a handgun.

 

I didn't actually lose anything to the guy, although my friends did, but I did lose a sense of safety for a while. This was less than 100 yards from my highschool at the time.

 

I don't LIKE guns. I don't like the idea of someone pointing a gun at me. But I don't think that BANNING guns is the solution. I do believe in the most powerful gun CONTROL possible. I dunno what can be done. I've heard something like making only the purchaser able to shoot the gun? Great.

 

I know that the mugger probably didn't have his gun legally. So I don't think that it would have been prevented by any law. And he was upon us and had his gun out before we realized what was going on (what the fuck we were walking home from school) so I don't think having my OWN gun would have protected us.

 

Just food for thought.